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| josch | minute: i tried to reproduce the problem with /dev/dri/renderD128 but instead found that with the latest system image gdm doesn't start on imx8mq: | 15:07 |
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| josch | Apr 17 14:53:34 m gnome-shell[1000]: g_close(fd:0) failed with EBADF. The tracking of file descriptors got messed up | 15:07 |
| josch | Apr 17 14:53:34 m gnome-shell[1000]: Failed to open gpu '/dev/dri/card1': No suitable mode setting backend found | 15:07 |
| josch | Apr 17 14:53:34 m gnome-shell[1000]: Failed to initialize accelerated iGPU/dGPU framebuffer sharing: No matching EGL configs | 15:08 |
| josch | boot log and journalctl output here: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/95e72095 | 15:08 |
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| josch | nope, downgrading kernel to 6.18 doesn't bring the display back | 17:19 |
| josch | and gdm does start successfully -- i can put in user and password blindly and then gnome starts | 17:19 |
| josch | at least according to htop things are there | 17:19 |
| josch | i get console output and see the boot messages on the screen, it only turns black once gdm starts | 17:21 |
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| cwebber | hm | 18:16 |
| cwebber | I am looking at testing the experimental blender stuff but am suddenly worried I am gonna get my debian packages in a weird state | 18:17 |
| cwebber | minute: question for you: you said that workbench and cycles engines work | 18:17 |
| cwebber | does Evee? | 18:17 |
| cwebber | Eevee | 18:17 |
| cwebber | on the rk3588 | 18:17 |
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| josch | cwebber: you absolutely will get it in a weird state because i built the packages quite a few days ago and they are all outdated by now | 18:23 |
| cwebber | ahhhh | 18:23 |
| cwebber | ok :) | 18:23 |
| cwebber | are the patches to blender somewhere? | 18:23 |
| cwebber | maybe I can make a custom guix package | 18:23 |
| cwebber | since I am running guix in userspace on debian | 18:23 |
| josch | cwebber: sure, here you go: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/170 | 18:28 |
| josch | cwebber: or i trigger another rebuild of the packages in the repo -- tell me what you prefer | 18:29 |
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| cwebber | josch: welllllll so I'm on Trixie | 18:31 |
| cwebber | it looked like your packages were for Sid | 18:31 |
| cwebber | so I'm a little nervous about interacting with them at all | 18:31 |
| josch | cwebber: this will not work on trixie because blender depends on *a lot* of stuff | 18:40 |
| josch | cwebber: and you want most recent mesa as well and not the old version from trixie if you are on rk3588 | 18:40 |
| josch | and backporting mesa 26 to trixie is a mess because rust | 18:43 |
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| cwebber | josch: yeah that's fine, my friend has a WIP package of the latest Blender for Guix | 18:49 |
| cwebber | so if I apply the patches to that | 18:49 |
| cwebber | it can just use all the deps from Guix and it'll probably be fine | 18:49 |
| josch | good luck! | 18:54 |
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| cwebber | <3 | 19:04 |
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| midfavila | >backporting mesa 26 to trixie is a mess because rust | 20:31 |
| midfavila | did mesa switch to rust or something??? | 20:32 |
| midfavila | is this new or am i just that out of the loop? | 20:32 |
| midfavila | first i find out that they're accepting contribs where LLMs are involved, and now this | 20:33 |
| midfavila | ACTION grumbles | 20:33 |
| ^alex | i mean we're okay with rust, but slop is :ng: | 20:35 |
| + wickedshell (~wickedshe@2601:8c0:c7c:3572:5d77:f318:47ff:8842) | 20:37 | |
| midfavila | i don't like things that are depended upon by users across multiple arches and oses being written in rust | 20:37 |
| midfavila | :\ | 20:37 |
| midfavila | this is like libsvg all over again | 20:37 |
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| + lidstah (~lidstah@gateway/tor-sasl/lidstah) | 20:39 | |
| midfavila | s/libsvg/librsvg/ | 20:40 |
| midfavila | need to poke at my keyboard, geesh. it keeps dropping presses | 20:40 |
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| minute | note to self: evince 49.alpha has gotten much worse in terms of UX, but papers is good, so lets switch to that if we haven't | 21:37 |
| minute | cwebber: no eevee probably doesn't work | 21:38 |
| minute | josch: and on your imx8mq experiment, do you get hardware accel in gnome or not? | 21:39 |
| minute | josch: "failed to open gpu /dev/dri/card1" sounds like that permission issue again _or_ probably missing some new driver as i wrote in the forum? | 21:39 |
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| orva | I have never liked evince that much, so even when I was otherwise using full on gnome environment I had Okular for document reading | 21:54 |
| orva | It was quite hefty toll to have full qt lib chain for just one application | 21:55 |
| orva | But that application is good | 21:55 |
| midfavila | i still use gv | 21:58 |
| midfavila | it's a little crusty but it works well enough | 21:58 |
| josch | minute: how do i check if i "get hardware accel" if all i get is a black screen? | 21:58 |
| wickedshell | glxinfo and pipe to grep for the direct rendering? | 21:58 |
| wickedshell | From the terminal? | 21:58 |
| josch | well, luckily there is a keyboard shortcut to open the terminal so i was able to start the terminal and run glxinfo and redirect its output to a file blindly: https://mister-muffin.de/p/_6P7.txt | 22:12 |
| josch | so we have direct rendering and see nothing :) | 22:12 |
| wickedshell | lol I figured you were just gonna ssh in :) | 22:13 |
| josch | wickedshell: if you run glxinfo via ssh you get: Error: unable to open display | 22:16 |
| wickedshell | josch: ahh yeah, that makes sense. Sorry I forgot that | 22:19 |
| orva | Yeah, plain TTY usually does not work well when you need to run graphical stuff | 22:19 |
| josch | minute: in contrast to the report in the forum I *do* have /dev/dri/renderD128 | 22:20 |
| josch | and "getfacl /dev/dri/renderD128" tells me that yes, my user has access to it | 22:21 |
| josch | wait, is it the backlight? | 22:21 |
| josch | fuck it was the brightness | 22:22 |
| josch | sorry for the language | 22:22 |
| josch | minute: okay, the problem is a different one. I started with the latest system image from soure.mnt.re (which is a month old so it's still at kernel 6.18) and then i did "apt full-upgrade" and then i rebooted | 22:23 |
| josch | after rebooting the display was black but the problem was that brightness was set to 0... | 22:23 |
| josch | typing "brightnessctl s 100" over serial fixed it | 22:24 |
| minute | josch: ah right. that's still an unsolved issue, setting the brightness to like 30% when it's 0% at boot | 22:26 |
| josch | okay, so imx8mq is fine with the latest software on gnome | 22:27 |
| josch | so i don't understand what is different for the user in the forum | 22:27 |
| josch | hard to debug when i cannot repro it | 22:27 |
| minute | josch: sounds like we need to finally rerun the system image pipeline | 22:30 |
| minute | josch: so that 6.19 image works and they can try that too | 22:30 |
| josch | i have built one with 7.0 in my own namespace and am flashing that now | 22:32 |
| orva | josch: oooooof, I remember having that issues way too many times (well at least three times) past few decades. Every time it felt like I wanted to facepalm myself to next town | 22:36 |
| orva | Especially when brightness buttons would have worked.. | 22:36 |
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| josch | Linux m 7.0-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 7.0-1~exp1+reform20260414T105306Z (2026-04 aarch64 GNU/Linux | 23:20 |
| josch | minute: linux 7.0 works fine with imx8mq | 23:20 |
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| minute | josch: noice | 23:27 |
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| minute | josch: i would then suggest to send the link to that 7.0 system image to the person, i guess that should work? | 23:28 |
| josch | minute: i have just done that | 23:30 |
| josch | minute: i also added some additional checks to reform-check following the things you wrote in that thread so that maybe we get some better diagnostic next time this happens to somebody | 23:31 |
| josch | minute: is there anything else you would check given their output of /sys/kernel/debug/devices_deferred? | 23:31 |
| minute | josch: ah thanks! no i need to look at that in more detail, but if there is stuff in devices_deferred, that is already a problem | 23:32 |
| - pomel0 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~pomel0@user/pomel0) | 23:32 | |
| josch | minute: is it *always* a problem if some stuff could not get probed? Maybe reform-check should read /sys/kernel/debug/devices_deferred as well and give a warning if it contains anything at all? I don't think the content is machine readable unfortunately | 23:35 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@204.244.186.187) | 23:35 | |
| minute | josch: yes, that's what i mean | 23:35 |
| + paperManu_ (~paperManu@204.244.186.187) | 23:35 | |
| josch | great, then lets do that too :) | 23:36 |
| josch | and then lastly while you are here, back in december last year I asked about neofetch/hyfetch/fastfetch as part of reform-desktop-full so that it becomes part of the default installation: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2025-12-12.log.html | 23:37 |
| josch | you said "ship the one you like most" -- if that's still your opinion i'm just going to add hyfetch and call it a day, okay? | 23:37 |
| + pomel0 (~pomel0@user/pomel0) | 23:37 | |
| josch | (upstream still seems super active: 7000+ commits, the last one 5 days ago) | 23:39 |
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| + pomel0 (~pomel0@user/pomel0) | 23:43 | |
| minute | josch: yes @ hyfetch | 23:45 |
| josch | cool! | 23:46 |
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