2025-09-02.log

joschfor those who have tried hangover wine on rk3588, did you do anything special to avoid this error when starting a game:00:25
joschd3d:wined3d_guess_card No card selector available for card vendor 0000 (using GL_RENDERER "Mali-G610 (Panfrost)").00:26
- AnimaInvicta (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net)00:27
thejevansminute: sweet. nabbing one!00:27
elbkop316: the flicker and fade to black is what happens on an unclean power down00:30
elbif you just hyper+enter 0 you'll see the same thing00:30
elbdid it happen when your battery power was nearly exhausted?00:30
elbI think the backlight sometimes persists after the display signal stops refreshing, and the display just sort of ... displays what it had been showing, until it doesn't any more00:31
kop316elb: it happened when my battery was at 46%00:47
minutekop316: i wonder what were the cell voltages then, maybe you can check next time it happens? also, do you know the approximate uptime on battery before it happened?00:54
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kop316minute: the uptime was like a minute or too. I'll look at the cell voltages next time it happens01:39
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kop316minute: happened again at 55%. bottom cell dropped to 3.0, and amps spiked to 3.0AQ02:16
kop316I'm beginning to wonder if that cell is defective. that could explain my issue both charging and the screen flicker02:28
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Guest68hi my htop shows me i got high temps and sometimes my pocket reform poweroffs is there a way to regulate this?09:25
+ LainIwakura (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura)09:26
joschGuest68: what are the firmware versions on your pocket? The information should be part of the output of `sudo reform-check` these days. Can you paste that output into a pastebin for us?09:28
Guest68sure one second09:30
Guest68https://bpa.st/46CA here it is.09:34
Guest68also i am charging it with a 45W charger via usb-c to usb-c. I don't know if that's sufficient.09:34
Guest68i didnt flash the system controller because i dont know if i will run into problems.. and i dont know how to debug these09:36
joschGuest68: it is not unlikely that you are currently running into problems *because* your firmware is not up-to-date09:40
joschfor example the reform shutting off randomly is one of the problems that got fixed by the recent firmware releases09:40
Guest68does a sudo apt full-upgrade help?09:41
joschright now, your firmware is too old to upgrade it manually via fwupd, so you'd have to follow these steps:09:41
joschno, the firmware is not a package you apt install09:41
Guest68ok09:41
joschGuest68: https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/releases/2025072409:41
+ reform11696 (~reform116@p200300ee572785006159c3ae7cc6668c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)09:44
reform11696josch i did the curl thing and now it shows me a big T on the oled09:44
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joschreform11696: did you consider this: "Note: On very old FW versions, you probably have to toggle the standby switch off and on after the update to get everything back to normal. In rare cases, the charger chip can hang after the update and doesn’t want to charge. To fix this, unplug and reconnect the battery cells once."09:49
reform11696yes, i triied to toggle the switch and now it reboots - is the update done?#09:50
joschreform11696: you will see when you run "sudo reform-check" again09:50
joschor have a look at the OLED status output09:50
reform11696the status says on the upper 2025  and on the HID 202409:51
reform11696also i get a blank screen unfortunately i will try to reboot09:51
reform11696so i am falling back into the cli mode where i can use the reform-tools. But the firmware seems to be updated now09:58
joschreform11696: is it this issue? https://community.mnt.re/t/initramfs-problem-solved/372410:02
joschreform11696: if yes, then installing reform-desktop-minimal seems to have fixed it10:03
joschreform11696: if you have some free time though, i'd appreciate to find out *why* this is happening10:03
reform11696not the issue i can get to type in my passphrase and then theres a black screen with a white cursor on the top left also i need to change the tty so that i can use he mnt tools10:03
reform11696last time it helped to leave the pocket reform for a while alone without touching anything10:04
joschreform11696: is it this problem then? https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2025-08-29.log.html#t12:15:2310:05
reform11696yeah same10:05
joschokay, i hope the answer is in the irc logs because i'm currently on holidays with family and the rest of the bunch is waiting for me, i should leave10:07
joschsorry!10:07
reform11696np good times i wish you10:07
+ midfavila (midfavila@sdf.org)10:31
minutekop316: thanks, good data!10:33
midfavilahey, minute, question - i need to pick up some spare hinges for my reform but the shipping is like 40euro for the two hinges... is there any other supplier or courier that would be cheaper? 40euro for two hinges just for shipping is kind of a lot... not to be stingy about it, but, yeah10:42
minutemidfavila: which country? maybe you could use a package forwarding service?10:44
midfavilacanada10:44
midfavilai suppose i'll have to look into a forwarding service though, yeah...10:45
minutei just checked one and the prices look more expensive than our shipping. but maybe there are cheaper ones10:47
midfaviladamn okay. something to look at in the morning i guess10:47
minutemidfavila: btw we probably pay more than 40 to ship to you, but it kind of averages out and we don't wanna charge more10:48
midfavilafair10:52
midfavilai might just look at sticking a different set of hinges in there then10:53
+ Guest68 (~Guest68@p200300ee572785009958505ba4d5f052.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)11:09
midfavilaoh huh the new framework has really similar hinges actually...11:09
midfavilaonly the bottom half is any different11:09
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timideHello! Didn't know mnt.re was on IRC :)11:47
timideI'm not watching microblogging paltforms, is there an update somewhere else about the USB 3.0 fixes for the Reform Next?11:55
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grimmwarepretty much just on Mastodon13:24
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minutetimide: it just came out on our website!13:34
minutetimide: https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2025-08-31-august-update.html13:34
minutetimide: there's also an atom feed https://mntre.com/reform_md.atom13:35
gordon1minute: i'm gonna order another trackball module for experiments, can i somehow get few extra balls with it pls?14:10
gordon1hmm i wonder https://www.handycandy.co.uk/gobstoppers14:15
minutegordon1: sure, file that at support.mnt.re and mention this irc convo (see logs link at the top here)14:35
minute(in the topic i mean)14:35
gordon1okay14:36
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kop316minute: any thoughts for (hopefully) fixing it, beyond the idea that the battery may be broken?14:51
kop316Also, https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MNT+Pocket+Reform+Batteries+Replacement/178317 doesn't tell me what kind of batteries they are anymore, and I don't see it in any of the documentation. Could you let me know what they are?14:54
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gerbilfatHey, sorry to come in here with a 'I need help' post, but I've been going back and forth with support about a warranty issue for my Pocket since April and wanted to see if it was possible to expedite some kind of resolution15:56
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timidethank you minute!16:18
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minutegerbilfat: what is/are your ticket number(s)?16:53
gerbilfatminute #573916:54
gerbilfatthank you!!16:54
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minutegerbilfat: ah, old system17:52
minutegerbilfat: ah, i see. so the imx8mp module's power chip visibly burnt out 17:56
minutegerbilfat: i've never seen this before 17:56
minutegerbilfat: we could send you a replacement imx8mp module but nowadays maybe it would make more sense for you to upgrade to rk3588 to have a much better experience after all these troubles?17:57
minutegerbilfat: i'll reply in the ticket17:58
minutekop316: could also be cells heavily dysbalanced (are they the same voltage?) or problematic charger module18:01
midfavilatook my reform apart today, turns out both hinges broke in exactly the same way - the top joint snapped clean in half18:07
midfavilabottom one is seized too. 18:07
+ AnimaInvicta (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net)18:08
joschmidfavila: can you post photos? My hinges also broke after four years of use.18:12
kop316minute: I have completely draied both, and when i plug it in or dischagre it, i see wild fluctuations on the battery18:12
kop316without a load, they are the same voltage. but to me, but issues look to be a di/dt problem18:13
kop316both issues*18:13
midfavilajosch: i'm actually looking at your post right now18:13
midfavilait's not quite the same18:13
joschokay18:13
midfavilathe rivets holding your bottom plate to the assembly broke, whereas in my case the assembly itself snapped clean in half18:14
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midfavilathe little rod that the plate is riveted to i mean18:14
joschoh funky18:14
midfavilai'll post photos in a minute18:14
midfavilayeah it's weird18:14
midfavilatbh though it's my fault18:14
midfavilai was in bed last night and it slipped off my bedside table and landed in the worst possible way18:14
midfavilasmack dab in the middle of the display case on the top side18:15
midfavilai also discovered that at some point the cable for my left speaker broke. no idea how that happened but it should be a quick fix18:15
joschyou must've been *very* unlucky, my devices still somehow manage to survive some of the harshest environments there is18:17
midfavilayeah i think so :P18:17
midfavilahonestly the reform has stood up really well all other things considered18:17
midfavilai've not exactly been the gentlest on it18:17
midfavilai think this is my penance for my usually-good luck18:18
midfavilahttp://0x0.st/KHCR.jfif18:25
midfavilapicrel18:25
joschoh wow, that looks unfixable -- i was indeed lucky18:27
gordon1impressive, textbook torsional failure, were they increasinly harder and harder to open/move?18:27
gordon1before they broke i mean18:27
gordon1i wonder if something got inside the damper mechanism or they rusted together or something...18:29
gordon1no idea how dampener mechanism work there18:30
midfavilagordon1: no, they worked well until, well, what you see there happened18:31
gordon1interesting18:32
midfavilajosch: i'm sure with enough glue you can fix anything temporarily but yeah they're both fried18:32
midfavilamy reform is going in the drawer until i can get a similar part to replace them18:32
d_mdoes anyone have experience modding the reform keyboard? i was hoping to create a few "custom" keys (for example, to bridge the multiple small space bars into one big one, or to bridge the left-shift+delete keys into one big left shift key). does that sound possible? or just a bad idea?18:33
d_mmy plan was to try to just 3D print some keys that fit the underlying switches/board, and then to just disable the "extra" switches to avoid duplicate presses/releases.18:34
midfavilayou might be best suited by modifying the pcb so that it's just one trace or whatever18:34
d_mmaybe. i'm confident i can modify the keyboard firmware, less confident in modifying the actual pcb. but thanks for the idea.18:35
gordon1d_m: i would think it is a bad idea if you are talking about just replacing the two keycaps with single modded one with multiple switch mounts, they will inevitably bind and gonna get stuck18:36
d_mi see, it's unlikely to work mechanically then? that's too bad.18:38
gordon1if you look at the cherry mx spacebar version with multiple mounts but without stabilizer bar, side mounts go not in switches but in specially designed springs that have much more lateral give18:38
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gordon1e.g. https://i.redd.it/cjkybtske9j01.jpg18:39
d_mi see.18:39
gordon1you have to get custom pcb made for that i would guess, if you want to change the layout18:40
d_mgot it. i'll keep that in mind though that's pretty far outside my experience. thanks for warning me about my bad plan :)18:40
gordon1d_m: to be completely clear, i have this experience with cherry mx, theoretically it might work with kailh choc, but i rather doubt it18:41
d_mas someone with zero experience i defer to your expertise! ;)18:42
d_mi'm just finding the keyboard layout very hard to get used to. it seems like the places i want to press for shift and space are exactly between the current keys. it's hard to retrain myself, especially since i still use other keyboards too.18:43
gordon1if you are searching for excuse to learn some electronics, i'd say custom keyboard is the best first project 18:44
gordon1btw i replaced on of the spacebars with backspace like in letsplit version of planck keyboard or ergodox, would recommend18:45
gordon1*one18:45
d_myeah i may install kicad and take a look at least18:47
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gerbilfatminute I got back to you, thank you so much!!19:08
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