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gordon1 | (easy to do for people with soldering skills though) | 00:37 |
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gordon1 | > | 00:37 |
gordon1 | pair of snips also works if you're careful | 00:37 |
gordon1 | (but don't blame me if you lift some tracks with that pls!) | 00:38 |
minute | please don't ^^ | 00:50 |
minute | you just need a medium-big blob of solder on the tip of a soldering iron. with that you can just heat and wiggle away a 0603 component. | 00:51 |
gordon1 | yeah that works too, works better with chipquick low temp solder for rework | 00:53 |
gordon1 | and bigger soldering iron tip | 00:55 |
vagrantc | minute: so the resistor to remove is on the rcore module or the reform2 motherboard? | 01:07 |
minute | gordon1: yep | 01:08 |
minute | vagrantc: on the motherboard. idk the designator by hand, but it's a 100k pulldown to gnd on the EDP_RESET line | 01:08 |
minute | this signal isn't connected on rcore (but will be on rcore v2) | 01:09 |
minute | so, sn65dsi86 will stay in reset | 01:09 |
minute | if one removes the resistor it works, because the reset isn't strictly required | 01:10 |
minute | (and it has a weak internal pullup) | 01:10 |
vagrantc | or i just leave the hdmi adapter board in for now :) | 01:11 |
minute | yes | 01:16 |
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josch | third person now asking me about the Reform in the train today | 09:47 |
josch | two of them very excited: "omg this is exactly what i have been looking for!" | 09:47 |
[tj] | thats cool, I would hate it | 10:21 |
josch | [tj]: the questions? | 10:45 |
[tj] | yeah, I have quite a small allowance for people focusing on what I'm doing in public | 10:46 |
[tj] | I find posting any picture with the pocket quite annoying | 10:46 |
[tj] | even if I include what it is I get a bunch of "what is that laptop" questions | 10:47 |
josch | ooooh i see | 10:47 |
josch | for me, I really enjoy bragging about my laptop :) | 10:48 |
[tj] | I don't like having to justify myself | 10:48 |
josch | of course, fair | 10:49 |
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grimmware | I think with the Pocket people ask more questions which imply that they don't think the size is sensible | 13:19 |
grimmware | "What do you use it for?" is another one which I dunno if you might get for the full reform | 13:20 |
grimmware | "Can you type on that?" | 13:21 |
chorc | I've used my Pocket just for one train trip, and there were just two people in the car, but they did ask me about it, I blame clicky keyboard :) | 13:37 |
zeha | well, i was in a conference room with a lot of nerds, a lot of them asked :D | 13:38 |
josch | we had three reforms at the conference -- the number is certainly going up every year ;) | 13:51 |
zeha | a lot of reform next pitching was happening ;) | 13:54 |
josch | hey, my MNT t-shirt was the only clean one i had left the day of my talk -- i had no choice!! :D | 13:55 |
[tj] | grimmware: "how can you type on that, my hands are too big" | 13:55 |
[tj] | which is an incredible statement to make to someone else about their computer | 13:57 |
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josch | i haven't heard that one yet but i hear that all the time about my display: "how can you see anything on this?? it is way too small for my eyes!!" | 13:59 |
chorc | haha, that's kind of an advantage | 14:02 |
sigrid | 17” mnt reform when | 14:03 |
josch | pocket reform cluster inside 17" reform | 14:04 |
sigrid | "three pocket reforms in a trenchcoat" | 14:04 |
josch | XD | 14:04 |
zeha | josch: :D | 14:10 |
josch | was really nice to finally meet you there | 14:11 |
josch | being able to put a face to the nickname helps a lot :D | 14:11 |
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zeha | indeed! | 14:20 |
zeha | so, likewise & likewise :) | 14:20 |
jfred | I enjoy the questions I get about my Pocket Reform, but I haven't brought one to a tech conference yet so it's not too overwhelming | 15:02 |
jfred | Mostly people think it's cool, when I get asked what I use it for they get it when I say I mostly use it for writing/blogging/taking notes | 15:03 |
jfred | because it fits in with distraction-free writing devices a lot (even though it can do more than those) | 15:03 |
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grimmware | I've taken it to a couple of conferences before, I get varying levels of interest | 15:48 |
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minute | haha, reading log here | 19:38 |
minute | thanks for amusing anecdotes around minidebconf! | 19:39 |
minute | i'm testing 6.14 build on all kinds of devices r/n because i'd like to release that kernel... | 19:39 |
vagrantc | wahooo | 19:45 |
minute | hmmm dsi display flicker on a311d, i thought we had a afbc-disabling patch... maybe it's not in my stack? | 19:46 |
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josch | minute: about releasing soon... could we use reform-tools postinst hackery to move people on HDMI rk3588 reform to a dtb that has a HDMI prefix so that the DSI variant can live without it? | 20:07 |
vagrantc | changing what is in upstream linux is bad form... | 20:07 |
vagrantc | not that it does not happen ... but ugh. | 20:08 |
minute | josch: why like this? | 20:08 |
minute | josch: i mean, why change the default? | 20:09 |
josch | is the default not changing now? | 20:09 |
josch | you are no longer selling HDMI classic reform with rk3588, no? | 20:09 |
josch | so you sold X units and that's all that there ever will be | 20:09 |
josch | if there are going to be two dtbs, seems strange that the default is the one with the special prefix | 20:10 |
vagrantc | better to switch both if it is really that troublesome | 20:11 |
minute | https://mntre.com/documentation/reform-handbook/software.html#flashing-the-system-image | 20:11 |
josch | ah :D | 20:11 |
minute | reform-system-rk3588-dsi.img.gz is already in the 3rd edition handbook now that is also already in print :D | 20:11 |
josch | well, never mind | 20:11 |
minute | maybe we can converge on reform3 later or something | 20:11 |
josch | reform3? :D | 20:12 |
vagrantc | josch: it also makes for hairy problems with flash-kernel and the likes | 20:12 |
josch | vagrantc: yes, that's why i called any attempt to do this hackery | 20:12 |
josch | but if the printed handbook has it, then there is no point to talk more about this | 20:13 |
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vagrantc | similarly once a .dts is accepted in mainline linux ... i would not want to change what it means | 20:15 |
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josch | vagrantc: my hope was that it would somehow be easily possible to have one device tree for both configurations | 20:27 |
josch | but i read earlier today that you need to remove a resistor for that to potentially work | 20:27 |
vagrantc | ah, yeah, a single device-tree supporting multiple variants woudl be nicer ... but do not seem to be there. | 20:29 |
minute | a311d pocket with display v1 and also over hdmi has no flicker, so it was probably the display i grabbed here to test... will try again with another v2 | 20:33 |
minute | otherwise we're good, everything else works fine | 20:34 |
josch | nice | 20:41 |
josch | sorry for the negativity on the dtb topic from me | 20:41 |
josch | i don't want to be a hindrance in getting more reforms into user's hands | 20:42 |
josch | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/118 only needs an another u-boot build for rk3588 dsi reform | 20:45 |
minute | josch: no problem, it's legit criticism. ah, thanks about the u-boot reminder. | 20:48 |
minute | josch: hmm i'm still running into a311d flicker issue, but only on display v2 on pocket reform, for example when reloading mntre.com in firefox | 20:48 |
minute | josch: hm, afbc patch doesn't seem to be in my patchstack | 20:49 |
xktr | Good morning -- I have a first gen Refrom laptop with the original boundary devices freescale module. I'm trying to obtain a current image for it, and am trying to the official system image release link from https://mnt.re/docs-all.html. For the original system module, would I use the image "reform-system-imx8mq.img.gz"? | 20:50 |
minute | yeah, this one i need to pull in https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/blob/main/linux/patches6.12/meson-g12b-bananapi-cm4-mnt-reform2/0030-WORKAROUND-meson-plane-disable-afbc-32x8.patch?ref_type=heads | 20:50 |
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minute | xktr: hi, yes, you can grab it from https://mnt.re/system-image | 20:51 |
minute | xktr: 8mq is the right one | 20:51 |
xktr | minute: Thank you. Is there any additional preparation required for the sdcard, or can I just dd if=path/to/image of=/dev/sdcardblockid ? | 20:52 |
josch | minute: when i rebase the patch stack, then I usually run something like this and it will show me patches that got completely removed and lets me check whether that was intentional or not: git diff --no-index linux/patches6.12 linux/patches6.14 --stat | 20:53 |
minute | xktr: you can do that, or more comfortably you can use bmaptool copy https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/9650/artifacts/raw/reform-system-imx8mq.img.gz /dev/sdX | 20:53 |
minute | josch: mhm! | 20:53 |
minute | josch: huh, there's a bunch of stuff seemingly gone... need to check | 20:54 |
xktr | minute: I may be running into a problem then. I had an sdcard with the mnt v2 image that was working, but when I wrote the imx8mq image to it from the releases link, it does not appear to boot | 20:55 |
josch | usually there is lots of churn in the collabora stack | 20:55 |
minute | the collabora stack i'm familiar with, but there's stuff in imx8mq etc | 20:55 |
minute | josch: ah, these are patches on the dtses it seems | 20:56 |
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xktr | minute: Is there something else I can try to work past the boot problem? | 21:33 |
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minute | xktr: i'm testing this myself now | 21:37 |
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minute | xktr: do you get MNT logo and uboot stuff immediately after turning on with that sdcard? | 21:40 |
xktr | minute: No sir -- I only see the little display above the keyboard show the MNT logo, and on the underside, I see the bright white LED | 21:41 |
xktr | I know the logo and uboot messages you're referring to, and I'm not seeing them on my boot attempt. The display doesn't even seem to power on. | 21:41 |
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xktr | minute: Thank you for helping me out, and for looking into this | 21:43 |
minute | xktr: what was the exact command you used for flashing the sd card? | 21:47 |
minute | josch: is it a known issue on imx8mq that it doesn't manage to power off via reform2-lpc? (i recall a crash-at-shutdown-problem?) | 21:48 |
xktr | minute: assuming the image is in /tmp, and I'm in /tmp: zcat ./reform-system-imx8mq.img.gz |sudo dd of=dev/sdj status=progress | 21:50 |
xktr | correction: zcat ./reform-system-imx8mq.img.gz |sudo dd of=/dev/sdj status=progress | 21:50 |
minute | xktr: looks ok even if i always use bmaptool these days | 21:51 |
vagrantc | might need to sync the device to make sure all the data lands... | 21:51 |
minute | xktr: does the resulting disk have 2 partitions? | 21:51 |
xktr | minute: I did see two partitions on it afterwards | 21:52 |
xktr | minute: Should I gunzip the image and try writing the uncompressed image instead of using zcat? | 21:52 |
minute | xktr: i would use bmaptool... | 21:52 |
minute | you can also try the beta 6.14 image | 21:53 |
xktr | minute: I'm happy to try that out | 21:53 |
minute | that i just tested and it works | 21:53 |
xktr | minute: And I'm happy to try a beta image if you could please provide a link | 21:53 |
minute | xktr: bmaptool copy https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/9543/artifacts/raw/reform-system-imx8mq.img.gz /dev/sdj | 21:53 |
vagrantc | is it possible there is an old u-boot on eMMC that might not work correctly? | 21:53 |
vagrantc | ACTION forgets imx8mq a bit | 21:53 |
minute | vagrantc: this is possible, hmm. but i think not if v2 image was the original | 21:53 |
minute | xktr: where did you get the reform? | 21:54 |
xktr | minute: From CrowdSupply; I pre-ordered it after your announcement | 21:54 |
minute | xktr: like, 5 years ago? | 21:55 |
xktr | minute: Yes Sis | 21:55 |
xktr | s/Sis/SiR | 21:55 |
minute | xktr: well, i'd actually prefer sis :DD | 21:55 |
xktr | (entschueldige) | 21:55 |
xktr | minute: :D | 21:55 |
vagrantc | :) | 21:56 |
minute | xktr: ok so it's safe to say that it has one of the original batch imx8mqs with no emmc weirdness | 21:56 |
xktr | minute: But yeah, it's one of your first units | 21:56 |
xktr | minute: and re: emmc wierdness, I think mine is haunted. I ran into a problem with my SOM, and you advised me to try ordering a 2GB one from Mauser which didn't work, so I ended up sending my Reform and both SOMs to you, and I think you replaced my 4GB SOM with one you had on hand. I don't think you were able to revive the 2GB one | 21:57 |
xktr | ^^ the 2GB one seemed to give an initial indication that it was going to work, but I think there was a uboot compatibility problem, which wasn't your fault | 21:58 |
xktr | ^^ by uboot problem, I think the one that was flashed on the SOM proved problematic | 22:00 |
xktr | ^^ by boundary, not by the MNT crew | 22:00 |
minute | xktr: ahh, so maybe we had to swap in one of the newer ones | 22:01 |
xktr | minute: I think it's possible -- the one you sent back has been working since | 22:01 |
minute | xktr: does it do anything when powering up with no SD card inserted? | 22:01 |
xktr | minute: Let me try that, and in a little while, I'll be able to wire it up to serial so I can get you messages from there too | 22:02 |
minute | neat | 22:02 |
xktr | powering on without an SD card also behaves as before: mnt logo on the keyboard, blank screen, and the white LEDs underneath | 22:04 |
xktr | I'll try using bmap to image the card and wire up the serial and report back later, unless there's sothething else you'd like me to try | 22:04 |
- wickedshell (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~wickedshe@c-174-56-48-20.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) | 22:08 | |
minute | xktr: thanks, no other ideas atm... | 22:10 |
minute | (except upgrading to RK3588 of course :D ) | 22:10 |
xktr | I would be happy to support your fine establishment with the purchase of some additional components. I see that you have more upgrades and refinements from your first batch. Should I log a support ticket to clarify what I need to bring my rig up to date? | 22:12 |
vagrantc | the rk3588 module is really, really nice :) | 22:14 |
- gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-78-82-38-134.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:15 | |
xktr | I believe it! | 22:16 |
xktr | I just expect that I may need more than the SOM, given how old my rig is | 22:16 |
minute | xktr: RK3588 + protected battery boards and maybe up-to-date trackball i'd recommend | 22:17 |
minute | the old motherboard is still good | 22:17 |
minute | except if you want to go for USB-C PD with the new 3.0 mb | 22:17 |
xktr | I have upgraded the trackball and the battery boards... and the side plates | 22:18 |
xktr | I know the heatsink I have has an extrusion that makes contact with the freescale SOC -- would I need a new heatsink for the RK3588? | 22:18 |
minute | josch: austriancoder: etnaviv seems quite borked on imx8mp/6.14/mesa 25 ;/ | 22:18 |
minute | xktr: new heatsink is included | 22:18 |
xktr | minute: Hot damn :) | 22:19 |
austriancoder | minute: more details please - ci is fine | 22:19 |
minute | josch: austriancoder: neverball is missing a lot of textures (i.e. the level is just a black object), glxgears is "dark" | 22:19 |
minute | i'll make some screenshots | 22:19 |
vagrantc | xktr: it does get pretty toasty ... mine hovers around 84C even when ambient temperature is much cooler :) | 22:20 |
vagrantc | well, at full load | 22:21 |
vagrantc | kernel builds in 30-40 minutes ... | 22:21 |
minute | austriancoder: https://source.mnt.re/-/snippets/15 | 22:30 |
minute | austriancoder: actually the neverball level is not really black, it's just very very dark | 22:30 |
minute | austriancoder: and the glxgears look like they just don't have any lighting/shading | 22:31 |
xktr | vagrantc: oh no -- would I need to make adjustments to my rig to accommodate the increased TDP, or does that only happen when you're doing a lot of crunching? | 22:31 |
xktr | vagrantc: If it's the latter, I won't worry then because my compute needs are very modest | 22:31 |
minute | xktr: no worries, it normally only gets hot when doing a lot of number crunching, and it can throttle to manage the heat | 22:32 |
xktr | ACTION is relieved to hear it | 22:32 |
minute | josch: some reform-tools patching is failing https://source.mnt.re/mntmn/reform-debian-packages/-/pipelines/3818 | 22:33 |
austriancoder | minute: images are not loadable - 404 | 22:35 |
xktr | minute: I'm still running my original JGNE cells. Could I order some Eremits from you, vielleicht? | 22:35 |
minute | xktr: we can't ship standalone batteries sadly | 22:36 |
minute | austriancoder: ah damn, lets see | 22:36 |
xktr | (verdammt nochmal) | 22:36 |
xktr | I had to ask | 22:36 |
minute | austriancoder: http://dump.mntmn.com/screenshot-2025-05-05-22-26-09.png | 22:37 |
minute | austriancoder: http://dump.mntmn.com/screenshot-2025-05-05-22-25-53.png | 22:38 |
minute | austriancoder: http://dump.mntmn.com/screenshot-2025-05-05-22-26-16.png | 22:38 |
minute | austriancoder: eglgears wayland looks the same, so not xwayland issue... and it looks good when using LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 | 22:39 |
minute | austriancoder: mesa is 25.0.4-1 | 22:40 |
austriancoder | minute: confirmed - not related to the kernel version | 22:43 |
minute | austriancoder: nice! | 22:43 |
austriancoder | minute: will do a bisect | 22:44 |
minute | hm, only one pcie controller enumerated on our 6.14 kernel on imx8mq... that's a regression | 22:52 |
vagrantc | xktr: yeah, that is peak temperature when doing lots of packages builds simultaneously | 22:55 |
vagrantc | although still seems a bit hot ... makes me wonder about replacing the plastic bottom with at least a metal plate near the heat sink to dissipate heat more easily | 22:56 |
vagrantc | rather than plastic which largely insulates | 22:56 |
xktr | Now I'm wondering if I need to wait for that to show up on the MNT store -- heh | 22:57 |
- mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 22:57 | |
vagrantc | the clear bottom is pretty great, but a little heat sink for the heat sink wouldn't hide anything that isn't already hidden :) | 22:57 |
minute | josch: are both pcie ports still working for you on 6.12 on imx8mq reform? | 23:03 |
josch | minute: i'm using imx8mq with both the nvme and wifi card, so yes | 23:05 |
minute | josch: ok, need to find out what happened here, why pcie0: pcie@33800000 is absent under 6.14 | 23:06 |
josch | minute: did you try rebooting? Sometimes when booting, wifi is gone and reboot fixes it | 23:07 |
minute | josch: no the actual controller is not in the devicetree | 23:10 |
minute | josch: ok the issue is that it is using upstream dts | 23:11 |
minute | josch: because it looks like imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dts was deleted | 23:11 |
minute | josch: upstream dts is missing support for pcie0 on reform | 23:11 |
+ wickedshell (~wickedshe@c-174-56-48-20.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) | 23:11 | |
josch | o0 | 23:11 |
josch | how did it work for me then? | 23:12 |
josch | i mis-tested then | 23:12 |
minute | josch: in your build you probably still had our own imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dts ? | 23:12 |
minute | ok, how do i restore this... | 23:12 |
minute | probably related to 67adfe793d89bce7397c9975265e53f0bf39cc5e ? | 23:13 |
josch | minute: but you *did* copy over the imx8mq dts patch, right? | 23:13 |
minute | josch: no | 23:13 |
minute | i wasn't really aware that we are now patching this dts | 23:14 |
josch | minute: you do need to patch upstream imx8mq and a311d dts | 23:14 |
minute | ;/ | 23:14 |
minute | josch: from where, 6.13? | 23:14 |
josch | from 6.12 | 23:15 |
josch | linux/patches6.12/imx8mq-mnt-reform2/0001-imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dts-multiple-fixes-for-display-wi.patch | 23:15 |
josch | and there is also &pcie0 :) | 23:15 |
josch | minute: reform-tools patch builds again in main | 23:16 |
minute | josch: aha, this also explains why lpc is not working | 23:16 |
josch | yes | 23:17 |
minute | josch: thanks for reform-tools fix, will rebase | 23:18 |
minute | ok pushed again :3 | 23:21 |
josch | minute: anything else i should take care of? | 23:24 |
minute | josch: thanks, nothing i know off... i need to go home+sleep but you can see my checklist/progress here https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/100 | 23:24 |
josch | okay, i'll upgrade my kodi box to 6.14 and see what happens | 23:27 |
minute | josch: do that only after my latest build though :D (because i didn't have a311d dts patches) | 23:29 |
josch | okay! | 23:29 |
josch | minute: maybe less work for you if i didn't mess up too hard here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/-/merge_requests/7 | 23:57 |
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