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| abortretryfail | Do any of the Reform motherboards have USB or I2C/SMBus connected on the mPCIe slot? I checked 2.0 and 3.0 and both are NC | 13:46 |
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| abortretryfail | This is why I want to know. :) https://store.rakwireless.com/products/wislink-concentrator-module-sx1302-rak2287-lorawan? | 13:48 |
| kop316 | abortretryfail: it may be easier to take something like: https://store.rokland.com/collections/rakwireless-products/products/rakwireless-mini-meshtastic-starter-kit-us915-rak19003-4631-sku-115093 and connect to SPI | 14:05 |
| kop316 | (Assuming you are looking to add meshtastic) | 14:05 |
| abortretryfail | I'm interested in LoRa packet sniffing and Reticulum interfaces here. The concentrator modems are not the same as the little ones everyone is using for Meshtastic nodes. | 14:07 |
| abortretryfail | They can listen on multiple channels simultaneously and have higher tx power. | 14:07 |
| abortretryfail | Oh, it looks like the Pocket Reform's m.2 WWAN slot does have USB. | 14:23 |
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| jfred | Reticulum interface on a Pocket Reform is an interesting idea 🤔 | 15:03 |
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| abortretryfail | Yeah, I thought so. :) | 15:09 |
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| gordon1 | spi on expansion port is connected to ec not directly to CPU | 16:33 |
| abortretryfail | Right. I think USB is what I'll have to use on the regular Reform. | 16:40 |
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| gordon1 | on motherboard 3.0 there is a header that connects different uarts to usb uart convertor on usb-c, you can use those pins to connect stuff to cpu uart, it will work with meshtastic but not 100% it will work with lorawan | 16:42 |
| abortretryfail | meshtastic runs on its own computer (microcontroller) | 16:42 |
| abortretryfail | i'm more interested here in having direct control over the radio modems from Linux | 16:43 |
| gordon1 | sure, i don't remember from the top of my head what interface sx1262 or similar lora stuff is connected to uc | 16:44 |
| gordon1 | i would guess it's spi | 16:44 |
| gordon1 | so no luck here | 16:45 |
| gordon1 | but maybe there's version with uart? | 16:45 |
| abortretryfail | The mPCIe and m.2 form cards on RAK's website include a USB interface | 16:46 |
| gordon1 | according to this datasheet https://docs.rakwireless.com/Product-Categories/WisLink/RAK2287/Datasheet/ https://images.docs.rakwireless.com/wislink/rak2287/datasheet/block-diagram.png there is a uc between the radio and usb as well | 16:50 |
| gordon1 | and it is a big question will it allow you to do some low-level stuff with radio or not | 16:50 |
| gordon1 | unless you already tried it | 16:51 |
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| abortretryfail | I haven't yet. | 16:56 |
| gordon1 | looks like you are at the mercy of whatever firmware is at stm32l4, so you probably want to check what sort of stuff is available over usb vs. over spi | 16:57 |
| gordon1 | just judging by the fact that it is relatively powerful stm32l4 i wouldn't be surprised if it implements lorawan directly there, or at least partially | 16:59 |
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| abortretryfail | Yeah it might. I'll have to check their docs and see what's going on there. | 17:06 |
| abortretryfail | The main thing I want to be able to do is listen to a variety of channels or parameters at once and still be able to transmit. | 17:07 |
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| abortretryfail | With a SDR, you can do the former, with a lot of compute and energy use, but not the transmit. | 17:08 |
| abortretryfail | the little 1 channel chips they use in meshtastic nodes won't hear anything transmitted with a different bandwidth, coding rate, spreading factor, etc. | 17:09 |
| gordon1 | yeah with reform classic i think your best bet is to attach it with spi to expansion port and then ask someone to finally implement some SPI multiplexer code for EC | 17:10 |
| abortretryfail | kinda off topic for MNT I think at this point. | 17:10 |
| sknebel | abortretryfail: ... but if you continue to talk about it somewhere ontopic I want to know where :D | 17:11 |
| gordon1 | (which is somewhere at the end of my long list of stuff i want to do with reform) | 17:11 |
| abortretryfail | I'd rather try soldering SPI wiring to the CPU daughterboard than force the EC who has to tend to the batteries to do I/O work. | 17:11 |
| sknebel | (been wondering about the same, since people around here started playing with meshtastic etc and I wondered about a setup that can handle different things at once) | 17:11 |
| abortretryfail | (or attempt to port RNode to the STM32 on the card) | 17:11 |
| gordon1 | i don't think battery work is too demanding, also you can set it some higher priority | 17:12 |
| abortretryfail | It's not that it's too demanding, it's that it is important enough for the LPC/EC to not be distracted or crash. | 17:12 |
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| minute | ok new "about" page is online https://mntre.com/about.html | 17:58 |
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| sad_plan | awesome.^ | 19:39 |
| hramrach | abortretryfail: how about listening and sending with completely different interfaces? | 19:42 |
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| josch | minute: wow, the about page now reads like a manifest -- very, very cool! | 20:49 |
| josch | i really like this summary and find many ideas that i had of MNT reflected in it, so i'm happy that i was not halucinating :) | 20:50 |
| josch | the graphic at the bottom is cool but requires a lot of scrolling up and down to connect all those 16 items -- that's a bit unfortunate | 20:50 |
| vagrantc | huh. realizing when operating in cold spaces ~10C ... the metal mnt/reform keyboard makes my hands much colder than with plastic keyboards... | 21:06 |
| ch | metal mousepads are the worst | 21:28 |
| abortretryfail | gordon1: then you need to deal with all of the RF side of things off-board so they don't interfere with eachother, and that gets complex fast when you're dealing with high speed digital radio stuff. | 21:46 |
| abortretryfail | Or, for $99 you can get a card that includes all that circuitry on a chip. | 21:46 |
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| vagrantc | hmmm... the operator handbook does not go into much detail about swapping out cells ... i seem to recall reading something that was a little more explicit about what to unplug and in what order, etc. | 23:05 |
| vagrantc | do I need to unplug the battery package cables ... or just plug in the individual cells? | 23:07 |
| vagrantc | i think i have done it both ways without catastrophy... but also good to follow best practices :) | 23:09 |
| hramrach | it's probably advisable to unplug them | 23:09 |
| vagrantc | unplug the cells, or unplug the battery packs? | 23:10 |
| vagrantc | i found the battery cables really fiddly to unplug and plug back in | 23:10 |
| hramrach | removing the cells with the battery boards plugged is probably not something that is tested much :) | 23:10 |
| hramrach | and yes, it would be nice to have some connectors that are not as fiddly there | 23:11 |
| vagrantc | another slightly wild question ... are the clear plastic panels something reasonable to use a drill on? or are they prone to cracking and need some other kind of force? | 23:12 |
| hramrach | which clear plastic panels? | 23:13 |
| vagrantc | i'd like to drill a hole on the molex antenna plate, as there are some pins sticking up that make it not level | 23:13 |
| vagrantc | the line-in pins, next to the SD card slot | 23:13 |
| hramrach | generally, it's acrylic which should be fairly easy to work with but depending on tooling YMMV | 23:14 |
| vagrantc | i have very little experience and a cordless electric drill :) | 23:14 |
| hramrach | it depend more on the drill bits and speed than if it's corded :) | 23:15 |
| vagrantc | fair. mostly only used on drilling holes in wood... | 23:15 |
| vagrantc | can probably adjust the speed a bit | 23:15 |
| hramrach | I don't think I tried to drill this particular material so can't say how it would work. I generally use drills for metal on most materials and it works on various plastic as well. | 23:18 |
| hramrach | if you have the ones for wood those are easier to align but I don't use them much | 23:19 |
| vagrantc | hmmm... so it is bold hardware hacking, or playing it safe at this point :) | 23:21 |
| hramrach | it's better to try on a piece of similar material when you are not sure how well your tools work with that particular material | 23:22 |
| vagrantc | true ... not sure i have similar material around... | 23:22 |
| vagrantc | oh, but that is because i was not thinking too hard ... i have some other similar style plastic parts from various old SBC cases... | 23:26 |
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| vagrantc | test drilling went well.. | 23:40 |
| vagrantc | the ifixit guides for mnt/reform are slightly more detailed than the manual, but neither mention unplugging the battery boards | 23:45 |
| vagrantc | one thing i've noticed ... when swapping in new batteries and charging ... if the power goes out during the charge process, it jumps to 100% state-of-charge ... but i am guessing that is not correct ... hopefully it just misreads the state-of-charge until you get a chance to properly fully charge it? | 23:50 |
| vagrantc | eeesh. and that just happened ... but it did not leap to 100% SoC ... so ... yay? | 23:55 |
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