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| aperezdc | ACTION is happy with his Kensingtons | 00:41 |
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| Twodisbetter | aperezdc: same here. Super solid trackball. | 00:59 |
| aperezdc | here I find myself often popping the ball out and rolling it between the palms of my hands while reading code or an article | 01:13 |
| aperezdc | quite soothing | 01:13 |
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| midfavila | the kensingtons are sick asf | 04:58 |
| midfavila | plus you can get them reliably on ebay for like 50CAD | 04:58 |
| midfavila | although i'm gonna be honest the new ones are shit | 04:58 |
| midfavila | you gotta get the old plasticky beige ones | 04:59 |
| midfavila | i refurb'd one for a former friend who does a lot of media editing and he says it's a lifesaver for his carpal during long editing sessions | 04:59 |
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| ehmry | has anyone found a fix for u-boot not booting large linux images? | 10:46 |
| grimmware | I really want to figure out how to make a trackball from a crystal ball but I don’t think I’m that smart | 10:48 |
| digitalrane | ehmry: assuming you mean the pocket, but also in general some changes are needed to uboot to move the memory location of the initrd. | 11:02 |
| digitalrane | you can check https://codeberg.org/lykso/hardware-mnt-reform/pulls/19/files for a patch for pocket uboot (0002-expand-uboot-memory-addrs.patch) | 11:03 |
| digitalrane | i should submit this to the main mnt project for pocket's uboot but haven't | 11:03 |
| digitalrane | on trackballs, i really like the elecom huge. it's basically a snooker ball | 11:05 |
| ehmry | I think this has been a problem for both imx boards | 11:05 |
| digitalrane | i think it was patched for imx8mq but kernels also keep growing | 11:05 |
| ehmry | the problem is we can't build install images with big and stupid stock kernels because the u-boot flashed into the soc isn't going to boot | 11:06 |
| josch | don't forget that flashing u-boot on imx8mplus is also made harder and will/should probably only be done by expert users like you | 11:07 |
| ehmry | to be fair the problem is with linux being a bloated low-quality kernel | 11:08 |
| digitalrane | i'm not advocating for the stock memory range size being ideal or saying that kernels are too large, just answering the question from a technical perspective and offering an example on what is needed to expand the range | 11:10 |
| digitalrane | it would be good to patch abd provide an easy uboot updater for both imx modules i think | 11:11 |
| digitalrane | *and | 11:11 |
| ehmry | the problem really is linux being an out of control dumping ground | 11:12 |
| gsora | thankfully it's still configurable, and you can remove all the stuff you don't want! | 11:13 |
| minute | ehmry: foul moods about linux today eh | 11:19 |
| gsora | one could argue the default linux configuration found in debian might be bloated, but there's reasons for that | 11:27 |
| minute | people used to complain that devices don't work under linux... now it supports mostly everything | 11:28 |
| gsora | better than mainstream OSes at times | 11:30 |
| ch | whats like a good tool to read current battery percentage, power draw, remaining time left etc from the command line? | 11:36 |
| ch | currently i resort to minicom, but that cant be the solution :> | 11:36 |
| ch | upower -d works but its not very glancable | 11:37 |
| hramrach | minute: no, I don't have one, and the more I am reading about it the less I want one https://www.gbryant.co.uk/posts/2021-02-15_ploopy-trackball/post.html and https://community.mnt.re/t/trackball-smoothness-revisited-roller-bearing-mod/1752/4 point out that the solution you get is not optimal. While the ploopy is a nice basis for a trackbal development platform it does not sound like such a | 11:50 |
| hramrach | good choice if you want a trackball that works out of the box. YMMV | 11:50 |
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| hramrach | shouldn't it be possble to change the memory range where Linux is loaded by changing the u-boot environment (if it can be saved) or at worst in u-boot.scr? | 12:04 |
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| ehmry | anyway, I've got nixos running on my imx8mp but I'm still tweaking the kernel | 13:01 |
| josch | hramrach: by default, reform u-boot has saveenv command disabled, see https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/commit/e391ee96a87a2b80c2165f65f80ec2581bc53500 | 13:09 |
| josch | and yes, if boot.scr is loaded in a location which avoids it being overwritten by kernel or initrd, then boot.scr is free to ignore ${kernel_addr_r} and ${ramdisk_addr_r} | 13:10 |
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| minute | funky https://www.hewtech.co.jp/en/device/network/etc_ix-hub.html | 14:04 |
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| minute | finalized DIY pocket reform manual https://mntre.com/documentation/pocket-reform-diy-assembly-manual.pdf | 14:18 |
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| grimmware | Nice :D | 14:32 |
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| minute | https://shop.mntre.com/products/rj45-ethernet-adapter-for-mnt-pocket-reform | 17:28 |
| minute | ix to rj45 adapter now in the shop | 17:28 |
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| minute | currently working on mnt reform motherboard 2.6 with usb-c PD input | 19:30 |
| minute | also planning to put the serial ports on this usb-c through a onboard uart-usb thing | 19:31 |
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| hramrach | is that USB C PD instead of the power jack. or in addition to the power jack? | 20:15 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@173.16.175.75) | 20:19 | |
| gustav28 | also interested in that, I like the versatility of the power jack | 20:33 |
| josch | huh interesting... are there adapters from 9 V to 36 V to USB-C PD easily available so that i coudl get the versatility back even with mb 2.6? | 20:39 |
| josch | i guess another mb 2.6 fix is the audio jack detection? | 20:40 |
| gustav28 | I'm thinking any adapter would be more expensive/advanced as it would need to handle handshakes to deliver more power? | 20:41 |
| gustav28 | *any usb-c adapter | 20:41 |
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| minute | josch: yes, audio jack detect fix is in the design | 20:55 |
| josch | \o/ | 20:56 |
| minute | usb-c pd is also quite versatile in terms of voltages/currents supported | 20:57 |
| josch | hrm... i'm struggeling to find an adapter which takes a bit of a wider range of input voltage (like mb 2.5 does) and gives me 60 W usb-c pd output | 20:59 |
| minute | josch: what application are you thinking about at the moment? | 20:59 |
| minute | like, what sort of power input? | 20:59 |
| minute | power source i mean | 20:59 |
| josch | in my office i'm usually charging my reform with the 24 V psu that we already have set up there for the robots, for example | 21:00 |
| minute | interesting... does it have the same connector? | 21:01 |
| vagrantc | josch: https://www.coolgear.com/product/chargeit-mini-82w-usb-type-c-pd-charger-high-w-2448v-dc-input or several other similar variants | 21:01 |
| josch | it was also neat to not have to carry the power brick around because i knew that my friend has a toshiba laptop which just happened to have a 5.1/2.5 jack | 21:01 |
| vagrantc | the wide voltage input range on the mnt/reform was one of the selling points for me. | 21:01 |
| josch | and lastly, i'm currently installing solar in our garden :) | 21:01 |
| minute | hm. | 21:03 |
| josch | nah, i think that usb-c pd is just more popular | 21:03 |
| josch | i'm not argueing you should not change it | 21:03 |
| josch | i guess teh world is moving in that direction | 21:03 |
| minute | for laptops it is mandatory from 2026 in the EU apparently | 21:03 |
| josch | yeah, i guess it makes sense | 21:04 |
| josch | i'll have to buy in this usb-c thing at some point | 21:04 |
| josch | it's probably quite convenient once you have more than one device with usb-c | 21:04 |
| josch | vagrantc: thank you, i'm more successful at finding things when searching for solar-related solutions :) | 21:06 |
| minute | solar to usb-c pd? | 21:06 |
| digitalrane | you can also get very cheap pd termination boards you can use to convert older devices, i just finished converting my x230 to usb-pd charging | 21:06 |
| josch | yes, people seem to use that for their camper vans | 21:06 |
| minute | i currently made a schematic for TPS25730DREFR | 21:07 |
| minute | combined with CY7C65215 to present the debug UARTs to the outside so you don't have to open the reform anymore for debugging | 21:07 |
| josch | the port probably can also serve as an additional regular usb host port, right? | 21:08 |
| minute | no, that's not the current idea | 21:08 |
| minute | it's a usb devicve | 21:08 |
| josch | ah okay | 21:08 |
| minute | device | 21:08 |
| minute | reform already has 3x USB 3.0 ports... | 21:08 |
| josch | i currently have all of them used :D | 21:09 |
| josch | but... i also only have them used because one alone does not give enough power... | 21:10 |
| josch | if i only use one of them, i can either reset my keyboard | 21:10 |
| josch | or turn the keyboard completely off | 21:10 |
| josch | or turn my whole reform off | 21:10 |
| minute | ah yeah, i can look into that. which motherboard revision is that? | 21:10 |
| josch | 2.5 | 21:10 |
| minute | and what is the power needed for, bluray drive or something iirc? | 21:10 |
| josch | yes | 21:10 |
| josch | dvd | 21:10 |
| josch | if you really want to spend time on that, i can also send you the drive -- i only very, very rarely need it | 21:11 |
| josch | which of course also means that this is a very, very, very unimportant "problem" for me :) | 21:11 |
| minute | i have a usb floppy drive and some old usb harddisks, maybe they exhibit the same problem | 21:12 |
| minute | but it's on my list to improve 5V rails on this revision | 21:12 |
| gustav28 | would supporting both power jack and usb-c pd be an option? | 21:12 |
| minute | gustav28: no | 21:12 |
| minute | gustav28: how do you want to power the reform? | 21:14 |
| minute | i think i'll be quite happy to get rid of that huge 24V power brick... | 21:14 |
| josch | For when i'm going on a longer trip by car (also happening very, very rarely) i have soldered a barrel plug to a Thinkpad DCDC adapter for cars. That worked well with the Reform of course because it's fine with 19V from that adapter. But there seem to be a lot of 60 W usb-c pd car adapters around, so i guess that can be fixed too. | 21:20 |
| josch | Maybe i'm just nostalgic. :) | 21:20 |
| minute | yeah, there definitely are car adapters. these should also probably take a bunch of wonky inputs | 21:21 |
| josch | I guess it was just "nice" to just solder a barrel jack onto things and tadaaa it works. Now I need to buy more very complicated electronics. | 21:21 |
| vagrantc | ACTION is just a few usb-c ports short off the solar-powered office | 21:23 |
| gustav28 | yea, I feel the same as josch, I like the idea that I could power it off a car battery or something simple | 21:26 |
| gustav28 | but if you can't have both on the new mb then usb-c it is, as that's what EU mandates | 21:27 |
| minute | i could put some internal power header that you could then directly wire anything into | 21:28 |
| vagrantc | usb-c PD ~60 watts? for the next generation mnt/reform motherboards? | 21:28 |
| gustav28 | to me power jack feels a bit more hackable and less error-prone (not having to have a compatibility chart for power bricks :0 ) | 21:28 |
| minute | vagrantc: up to 100W | 21:28 |
| gustav28 | minute: that would be cool! | 21:29 |
| minute | gustav28: well the compat issues with pocket are because we did our own usb-pd state handling in firmware. with the reform i'll use a standard chip that's meant for replacing barrel jacks | 21:29 |
| vagrantc | and the voltage range on the internal header would be similar to the original mnt/reform? | 21:29 |
| gustav28 | or maybe it's just that it simpler, I'm starting to prefer simpler over basically most other things | 21:29 |
| minute | vagrantc: yeah | 21:29 |
| vagrantc | sounds like a reasonable compromise :) | 21:30 |
| gustav28 | yes | 21:30 |
| gustav28 | I like it! | 21:30 |
| minute | i recently got a dell u2724 and since then i'm pretty sold to usb-c... | 21:30 |
| vagrantc | 100W ... 20volt 5amp? | 21:30 |
| minute | vagrantc: yeah that's what that chip is specced at | 21:30 |
| vagrantc | might be more than mnt/reform needs, really | 21:31 |
| minute | yeah | 21:31 |
| gustav28 | I'm selling my dell ultrawide, scored an Eizo CG245W for 100$ a few months back. I just love these Eizo monitors from 20 years ago, they're built like tanks! | 21:31 |
| vagrantc | ACTION is getting excited at the rk3588 upgrades and new keyboards on order ... | 21:32 |
| minute | we sent out the first pocket rk3588 upgrade bundles today, reform rk3588 upgrades shipping next week :3 | 21:32 |
| gustav28 | (*14 years ago) | 21:32 |
| vagrantc | been on order a while, and plenty patient ... but hearing all the progress ... :) | 21:32 |
| gustav28 | that's great, seems like those modules will really make the reforms compete with most other laptops | 21:34 |
| minute | the most nostalgic part about the reform mobo for me right now is that everything is 0603... so biig | 21:35 |
| minute | gustav28: the rk3588 really is a lot of fun | 21:35 |
| josch | i'm usually happy with the a311d | 21:49 |
| josch | yesterday i tried compiling digikam | 21:49 |
| josch | folks, do not try this with 3.6 GB of ram :D | 21:49 |
| minute | uh oh | 21:51 |
| josch | so maybe sometimes, the r3588 would be quite nice to have :) | 21:52 |
| minute | i can assure you it is :D | 21:52 |
| josch | you already have my rk3588 order, so i am very much looking forward :) | 21:54 |
| minute | oh yeah :3 | 21:56 |
| josch | oh and obviously that one will come with mb 2.6 because 2.5 is out-of-stock -- that's really cool, then i have all three versions to try things out on :) | 21:58 |
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| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-243.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:20 | |
| hramrach | yes, I think internal header that could be used for connecting alternate power connector would be nice. Or even test points for the USB PD output that are large enough and accessible enough to make soldering a pigratil to them easy. | 23:26 |
| - Gooberpatrol_66 (QUIT: Quit: Konversation terminated!) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 23:26 | |
| hramrach | USB PD is nice and convenient when it works but is basically unintelligible, and as has been pointed out there are people who do have simple power sources already around and PD is an unnecessary extra hassle for them | 23:29 |
| hramrach | Other than that the giant through-hole power jack is common source of hardware problems with the potential to touch nearby boards so it's good riddance not having it on the board anymore | 23:30 |
| minute | alright then. | 23:38 |
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| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.16.219) | 23:58 | |
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