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BoostisbetterGood morning everyone!10:41
BoostisbetterWondering.how everyone handles transporting their pocket reform. Just using the sleeve? 10:44
minutegood morning!10:56
josch_o/10:56
minuteyes, sleeve in my backpack, so far10:57
joschminute: if you have some spare cycles: the discourse thing seems to support "wiki" posts which can be collaboratively edited but nobody can create wiki posts because nobody has a sufficient "trust level" on discourse -- could you maybe lower some of the requirements for reaching trust level 3? Especially liking 30 posts in 100 days seems a bit too much, given the number of posts on community.mnt.re?10:58
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minutejosch: ah, good point. i read this when half asleep and forgot. we should review those levels, i'm putting it in my list11:32
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grimmwareyeah I'd love an easy-to-use wiki12:14
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joschgrimmware: do you have an account on source.mnt.re?12:20
minuteok we'll fix that12:22
minutei'm just looking for someone who could do the admin job and adjust the settings, perhaps plomlompom 12:22
minuteNanoCodeBug: i have a pocket motherboard here where i get the following upon connecting a charger:12:23
minute# [pd] [ERROR] toggle wrong: 112:23
minute# [pd] CC1: 3 CC2: 312:23
minute# [pd] invalid CC state 12:23
minutethis is without the charger board + a shim connected between pins 2+3 on charger connector12:23
minuteshim = shunt/jumper12:23
grimmwarejosch: yeah, I just figure that something on the discord is more accessible for more people12:24
minutewe'll never have a discord because it's a walled garden12:24
minuteah you mean discourse probably ;312:24
minutesorry, knee-jerk reflex12:24
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grimmwareoh mate that's fine I don't mind hearing you say it because I hate discord with the fire of a thousand suns12:28
minute:D12:32
minuteplomlompom: context https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2024-09-25.log.html#t10:58:0112:32
minuteplomlompom: but you don't even seem to have an account :D12:36
minuteok i went in and made josch moderator and tl4, and i also added tl2 group to create wiki posts12:36
minutegrimmware: josch: are you now able to create wiki posts?12:36
joscherrr... okay, lets try that out :D12:37
minuteif this should lead to too much vandalism/noise, then i will set it back to tl3 and people can apply for tl3 and we manually approve them12:37
joschoh wow extra buttons!12:37
minutethere's also some possible fediverse integration but i don't have any staff motivated enough to look into it atm12:39
joschhahaha okay, i was indeed just missing the "likes given" requirement for trust level 3 XD12:40
minutejosch: you didn't give enough likes!12:40
minutei gave 770 likes :D12:40
joschwhat can i do if there only have been pocket related posts in recent months? ;)12:40
minutejosch: obviously you need a pocket reform12:41
joschhaha :)12:42
joschah yes, i have a "make wiki" button now12:42
minuteexciting12:42
joschmost importantly i can finally edit all my posts \o/12:43
minuteyay12:45
joschyou gave given 10 times more likes than I -- clearly we use the forum very differently XD12:48
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grimmwarejosch: where's the `make wiki` button?13:33
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joschgrimmware: https://mister-muffin.de/p/YVbB.png13:49
grimmwareminute: I don't think that's fixed it for making wikis - I think josch can do it because you made him an admin13:51
grimmwareI'm tl2 fwiw13:52
minutegrimmware: ok, i don't know how to figure this out atm so i just made you tl313:56
grimmwarehaha niceeee13:57
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ryukazouAre there recommend part manufacturers I can order custom backplates and keycap?14:28
hramrachthere was some discussion about backplates in the forum14:29
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minuteryukazou: for keycaps you can use JLC's 3d resin printing service (clear resin for example)14:58
minuteanyone here using a311d and on the latest updates? are gtk4 apps garbled for you as well?14:59
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chis that a311d specific?15:26
joschminute: i can reboot into a fresh system image -- any application i should try or should this already affect the setup wizard itself?15:27
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minutejosch: the setup wizard is fine15:51
minutech: i think so15:51
minutejosch: apt install gtk-4-examples15:51
minutejosch: and then gtk4-demo15:52
minutejosch: hramrach: btw on new/current system images, the gtk 4 dark theme default does not work. gtk4 apps are white15:53
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mhoyewhere is this forum, where the backplates are being discussed plz16:47
mhoyeI didn't see it in c.m.re16:47
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hramrachmhoye: depends on the backplate. There was some discussion about backplates for pocket reform. 17:00
hramrachI suppose that the same service would work for the full size backplate but YMMV17:01
hramrachminute: is that problem with settings or some package change?17:02
chmh seems fine on imx817:06
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joschminute: i see graphical glitches with gtk4-demo on a fresh system image17:37
joschminute: but everything is in the dark theme17:37
joschon a311d classic reform that is17:40
joschwe could now bisect the system image to figure out which change triggered this17:40
joschunless you already have a theory?17:40
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minutejosch: no good theory yet... just mesa in general might be responsible18:02
minutejosch: thanks for confirming18:02
joschokay, i can start bisecting unstable and see what i find18:03
joschmaybe somebody in the forum pops in and has an apt history which sheds some light on the issue18:03
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minutejosch: how can you bisect it (just curious)?18:03
joschi'm using snapshot.debian.org as the mirror18:04
minuteahh18:04
joschit's a service which stores everything that debian contains four times a day18:04
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NanoCodeBugminute: the shim shouldn't change the negotiation, but how it powering itself? both CC pins reporting the same RB value means it can't detect orientation of the port, so it can't figure out the tx/rx line to the pd charger to start negotiation.18:11
minutehmm18:14
NanoCodeBugits an analog measurement for the CC resistor values, so maybe noise on the line? the controller has settings for hysteresis, but it also depends on no active communication being attempted on the line either. 18:17
minutehmm18:25
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ryukazouminute: thanks.18:48
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joschminute: i just built a system image from 2024-09-18 and i am seeing artifacts -- is that plausible? Could the recent upload of linux 6.10.11 on 2024-09-22 be responsible?20:07
joschminute: do you have a system that is broken and can reconstruct when it was last updated before the last update? (should be possible to find out using /var/log/apt/history.log)20:08
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minutejosch: yes, plausible20:24
minutejosch: kernel driver for panfrost could be the issue as well20:24
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minuteanyone motived to try this? (to fix resume on a311d) https://community.mnt.re/t/suspend-resume-on-a311d/2596/221:25
minute(kernel hacking required)21:25
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hramrach.. and hope the uaaart is not driven by one of those clocks 22:08
hramrachi2c has clock stretching, syslog over i2c should work even with bad clocks so long as the other side correctly implements it (a lot of SoCs don't)22:10
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minutehramrach: the uart still works for a while22:15
minutehramrach: i.e. one can see the vblanks backtrace slowly printed that is mentioned in the post22:16
minuteso it's probably more likely some internal bus/fabric clock that goes really slow22:16
hramrachyes, that should be possible to dump to the uart22:21
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joschminute: it's not the kernel. system image from 2024-09-10 still works23:04
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