| * andypiper -> andypiper[afk] | 00:10 | |
| - andypiper[afk] (QUIT: Quit: My device has gone to sleep. Zzzz…) (~andypiper@45.146.10.36) | 00:10 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 00:13 | |
| - erle (QUIT: Quit: Democracy must always be better armed than tyranny.) (~erle@user/erle) | 00:51 | |
| + erle (~erle@user/erle) | 00:56 | |
| henesy | minute: is there a known fix for the pocket not beginning charging while powered on or is that WIP | 01:06 |
|---|---|---|
| minute | henesy: not yet reproduced over here, but i'd like to solve it of course | 01:33 |
| henesy | oh interesting | 01:40 |
| henesy | i am just using an anker usbc cord and the provided crowd supply brick Wall Mount AC Adapter, USB Type-C, 60W Power Supply w/ US Plug (no USB Type-C Cable) | 01:41 |
| henesy | has never started charging while turned on for me | 01:42 |
| henesy | are all the people experiencing the issue in the | 01:42 |
| henesy | US? | 01:42 |
| ch | does it charge when off? | 01:42 |
| henesy | yeah | 01:43 |
| henesy | i have to power off the lpc then plug it in | 01:43 |
| henesy | then charges fine once i power it on if i plugged in power while the lpc was off | 01:43 |
| ch | should try it with my anker, it certainly didnt like charging at all. but havent tried lpc off | 01:44 |
| henesy | but if the lpc is on then it doesnt charge at all | 01:44 |
| henesy | my wonder is if it has to do with eu vs us wall power or smth silly | 01:44 |
| ch | pocket evokes very good hacker vibes so far :) | 01:56 |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 02:04 | |
| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 02:06 | |
| - Gooberpatrol_66 (QUIT: Quit: Konversation terminated!) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 02:14 | |
| + Gooberpatrol_66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 02:15 | |
| jfred | I was poking around linux power management docs and hoo boy the warning at the top of this one is fun XD https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/swsusp.txt | 02:37 |
| jfred | just went to see what s2idle would do on the pocket out of curiosity. it suspended, and power usage dropped a bit... but the lpc wake command didn't bring it back ^^; | 02:39 |
| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 02:56 | |
| - Gooberpatrol_66 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 02:59 | |
| + Gooberpatrol_66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 03:00 | |
| jfred | useful to know I suppose that at least some other imx8mp SOMs support S3 sleep: https://developer.toradex.com/software/linux-resources/linux-features/suspendresume-linux/#nxp-imx-88x-and-imx-8m-miniplus-based-modules | 03:03 |
| jfred | gives me hope that it might be possible to get working on the pocket too - but, I bet getting s2idle working first is a prerequisite | 03:04 |
| jfred | ah, some light reading: https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/pm/suspend-flows.html | 03:07 |
| ch | henesy: can confirm my anker charger exhibits the same problem. can only charge (in 5v/100ma mode) when lpc is off | 03:08 |
| ch | henesy: however, when the main cpu is running it charges :D | 03:11 |
| ch | henesy: with main cpu on, reversing the usb-c plug is necessary to pick the right direction and then it charges | 03:17 |
| ch | annoying | 03:17 |
| - bluerise (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~bluerise@p5b21118f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 04:12 | |
| + bluerise (~bluerise@pc19f8b01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 04:13 | |
| + NanoCodeBug (~NanoCodeB@c-73-35-191-67.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) | 06:00 | |
| NanoCodeBug | minute: I put a reply on the pocket pd charging thread, I have a basic pd debugger and there is at least one fixable thing with how the pocket talks to devices - it requests incorrect amperage - but i doubt its the actual reason why it refuses to communicate with my charger when powered on. | 06:02 |
| NanoCodeBug | ah looking at the pocket firmware source it is just hard coded to 10 ma, so definitely not the problem | 06:09 |
| NanoCodeBug | the large number of capability request messages is odd though, I don't have any ideas but the difference in the two communication traces is *interesting*. | 06:10 |
| NanoCodeBug | most baffling is it immediately successfully negotiates power after som (a311d) power off. | 06:36 |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 07:02 | |
| - Gooberpatrol_66 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 07:03 | |
| Twodisbetter | NanoCodeBug: Thanks for your work at debugging. Sounds like there are things to hunt down. | 07:43 |
| - NanoCodeBug (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~NanoCodeB@c-73-35-191-67.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) | 07:54 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@84.241.193.246) | 09:35 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~mjw@84.241.193.246) | 09:44 | |
| josch | I cannot help but notice that with all the people who have been demanding that the Reform charge via USB-C because it is so much better, this feature has caused quite a bit more trouble and frustration than charging via a barrel jack with anything from 9-36 V with sufficient amperage behind it. Maybe the traditional connector with just +/- poles has some advantages after all... ;) | 09:56 |
| [tj] | josch: they want usb-c because it works great for them when someone else has done all the work | 10:01 |
| josch | right :) | 10:03 |
| + murph_nj (~murph@ool-457bb02e.dyn.optonline.net) | 10:12 | |
| - murphnj (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~murph@user/murphnj) | 10:15 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@84.241.193.246) | 10:23 | |
| swivel | minute: thanks for expediting the shipping process on my order@ | 10:30 |
| swivel | minute: one thing though - the shipping summary doesn't include the quantities for the line items... I hope they're not all 1 :) | 10:31 |
| Zaba | there are ICs you can use that handle PD negotiation for you in barrel jack replacement applications | 10:58 |
| Zaba | obviously it’s less flexible than doing the negotiation yourself | 10:58 |
| Zaba | a wide input voltage range is nice but it does entail having more complex power circuitry in your device, which in case of USB PD can in theory be offloaded to the power supply | 11:01 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 11:04 | |
| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 11:05 | |
| josch | Zaba: I guess that's what the FUSB302BMPX is used for in the reform next? | 11:09 |
| Zaba | the fusb302 is a PD interface chip, yes | 11:10 |
| Zaba | but what I mean is you can get chips that handle the entire negotiation process and do not require a host MCU at all | 11:10 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~mjw@84.241.193.246) | 11:11 | |
| minute | swivel: no worries | 11:24 |
| + mjw (~mjw@2001:1c00:2a07:3a01:2442:e860:b66b:55c3) | 11:39 | |
| ch | sigh, cypress | 12:22 |
| ch | very nice of them to provide a crossplatform tool for the pd analyzer | 12:23 |
| ch | but the firmware updater is windows only m( | 12:23 |
| + andypiper (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 12:51 | |
| minute | ch: meh | 12:53 |
| josch | ch: bummer... :( does it work in wine? :) | 13:10 |
| ch | nah, it also wants to load an x86 only kernel driver | 13:11 |
| ch | so i'm now downloading an x86 windows evaluation vm | 13:11 |
| - andypiper (QUIT: Ping timeout: 244 seconds) (~andypiper@89.36.117.58) | 13:14 | |
| josch | ch: last time i had great success with qemu and usb and/or pci forwarding from the host to the guest | 13:16 |
| jn_ | sighpress | 13:35 |
| ch | indeed | 13:54 |
| ch | with the analyzer in-line the anker charger just works | 13:54 |
| ch | why am i not surprised | 13:54 |
| josch | nice, problem solved! [head to table] | 14:00 |
| ch | very useful eh | 14:00 |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:02 | |
| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:06 | |
| * jn_ -> jn | 14:15 | |
| ch | yeah weird. if the som is off, and the cable is plugged in in one specific direction, there seems to be some form of comm issue | 14:34 |
| ch | good: https://per.namespace.at/~ch/pd-good.png ; off + eventually works: https://per.namespace.at/~ch/pd-somoff-slowstart1.png https://per.namespace.at/~ch/pd-somoff-slowstart2.png | 14:34 |
| ch | off + fails: https://per.namespace.at/~ch/pd-somoff-notworking.png | 14:35 |
| ch | in the last case the charger seems to time out eventually and resetting the link | 14:35 |
| ch | (dunno if its really the charger resetting it) | 14:36 |
| ch | https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/D2T2-1%20-%20USB%20Power%20Delivery.pdf slide 9 "How it works" "Negotiating power is simple and robust" yeah no | 14:46 |
| ch | minute: pocket-reform/install-fw-dependencies.sh should add libstdc++-arm-none-eabi-newlib libnewlib-arm-none-eabi libnewlib-dev so it works on systems with install-recommends off :) | 15:16 |
| + NanoCodeBug (~NanoCodeB@c-73-35-191-67.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) | 15:35 | |
| minute | we put a little alternative wifi card + antennas bundle for pocket reform in the shop: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-wi-fi-bundle?taxon_id=13 | 15:47 |
| grimmware | josch: just realised I never actually reviewed your funding request - sorry about that | 15:48 |
| grimmware | glad it didn't slow you down and congrats on the funding for another reform :) | 15:48 |
| gsora | why it's pocket reform only? | 15:49 |
| NanoCodeBug | gsora: pocket reform is the only one of the reforms with a m.2 b-key type slot with only usb lines | 15:57 |
| gsora | ahhh | 15:57 |
| gsora | huh, i should check the mtk card i got for my reform2 then | 15:57 |
| NanoCodeBug | the pocket's m.2 b-key is setup for a wwan card - so it only hooks up usb, sim, and audio lines. | 15:58 |
| NanoCodeBug | iirc minute said there were something like only 3 wifi cards on the market that are m.2 b-key and use usb - it's a rare configuration. | 15:59 |
| jfred | I would maybe go for this but I do actually want a wwan card in my Pocket ^^; | 16:00 |
| gsora | i wanted to check my card but... i can't find it | 16:07 |
| gsora | oh well. | 16:07 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~mjw@2001:1c00:2a07:3a01:2442:e860:b66b:55c3) | 16:36 | |
| ch | https://per.namespace.at/~ch/sysctl-fw.diff changing the sleep time seems to help with the anker charger. some of the problems that i see with it are probably also a cable thing | 16:45 |
| ch | henesy: if you really dare, could try https://per.namespace.at/~ch/sysctl.uf2 and see if that helps with your anker charger? (sig is in https://per.namespace.at/~ch/sysctl.uf2.asc) | 16:46 |
| josch | grimmware: no worries and thank you all the same :) | 16:46 |
| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.129.98) | 17:14 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~mjw@89.205.129.98) | 17:37 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.129.20) | 17:47 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~mjw@89.205.129.20) | 18:15 | |
| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.129.20) | 18:17 | |
| + murph__ (~murph@74.102.131.40) | 18:19 | |
| - murph_nj (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~murph@ool-457bb02e.dyn.optonline.net) | 18:22 | |
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| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.129.20) | 18:24 | |
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| + mjw (~mjw@89.205.134.86) | 18:46 | |
| minute | ch: intriguing | 18:53 |
| minute | NanoCodeBug: well spotted @ amps, thanks | 18:53 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~mjw@89.205.134.86) | 19:00 | |
| - murph__ (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~murph@74.102.131.40) | 19:02 | |
| + murphnj (~murph@user/murphnj) | 19:03 | |
| - NanoCodeBug (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~NanoCodeB@c-73-35-191-67.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) | 19:05 | |
| henesy | ch: reversing the cord doesnt do anything for any of the cables i have on hand unfortunately | 19:10 |
| henesy | josch: i ALWAYS prefer barrel jacks :) | 19:10 |
| henesy | ch: ill take a look later | 19:12 |
| henesy | whats the amperage the pocket needs? | 19:15 |
| henesy | im going to go ahead and pick up some lenovo x1 usbc charger stuff to see if that changes anything since 'pff' mentions it works for them | 19:22 |
| henesy | josch: i have no love for usbc :) skeptical of things that claim to do more than one thing well | 19:23 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 19:39 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 19:39 | |
| josch | henesy: the first usb-c device in my household was my partner's smartphone. What i must admit is quite cool is that when we are travelling, we only need to bring a single AC adapter to charge my reform and their smartphone. :) | 19:49 |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-bd37524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se) | 20:02 | |
| Twodisbetter | I don't know I think USB C is pretty cool. The only that thing that sucks is trying to solder one | 20:06 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 20:07 | |
| henesy | josch: any recommendations for debugging bluetooth? i think you had a command at one point -- if i right click 'turn on' bluetooth from the tray or blueman-manager the tray icon disappears and blueman shows no bt devices or activity even after toggling on | 20:08 |
| henesy | i've tried restarting the bluetooth service a few times but can't seem to get bluetooth enabled | 20:08 |
| henesy | the one time i actually want to use a bt peripheral :) | 20:08 |
| dozens | my pocket should arrive tomorrow afternoon eeeek | 20:20 |
| grimmware | dozens: exciting :D | 20:32 |
| henesy | very exciting! | 20:35 |
| - gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-bd37524e.019-141-67626730.bbcust.telenor.se) | 20:57 | |
| dozens | i hope it fits in my pocket | 21:01 |
| + ephase (~ephase@2a01:e0a:2a:5300:8af3:6216:8fce:7058) | 21:04 | |
| Twodisbetter | if you have a bigger pocket, it totally will. | 21:05 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 21:05 | |
| Twodisbetter | The past couple of days have seen a lot of action around the Pocket and games. | 21:05 |
| Twodisbetter | Very capable little device. Even more so when the RK3588 gets in there. | 21:05 |
| dozens | this is the year of gaming on linux | 21:09 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Client Quit) (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 21:09 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@45.134.140.153) | 21:09 | |
| dozens | i don't know what to play. a little opentdd, a little openciv. maybe get back into wesnoth.. | 21:09 |
| mrbcmorris | Oooo lucky dozens! Mine is set to ship on 8/31 as an estimate. Here's to hoping! | 21:25 |
| dozens | fingers crossed! | 21:26 |
| dozens | mine was set to ship on 8/31. i just got the update via email this morning! | 21:26 |
| dozens | hopefully yours gets moved up too! | 21:26 |
| henesy | doesn't the RK chip not permit the NVME drive to operate? or is that the pi | 21:39 |
| henesy | i would get the RK if i could just swap it and keep using my nvme drive | 21:39 |
| josch | henesy: sorry, i have no idea about bluetooth unfortunately | 21:41 |
| Twodisbetter | henesy: when talking to minute a day or two ago he mentioned that the Pocket has two m2 slots, and that with the RK you would need to use the 2nd slot with the wifi. This implied, to me at least, that it works with the NVME. I believe minute also said something about a 1tb drive working or something as well. But I am not sure. | 21:44 |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Quit: Konversation terminated!) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:03 | |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:04 | |
| henesy | That's cool, I have a 1TB NVME in my imx8 atm | 22:15 |
| henesy | Hm so might lose wifi but I could keep drive and WWAN in my 2 slots would seem worth | 22:16 |
| henesy | My next door coffee shop doesn't have wifi cause it's old so this has been a game changer | 22:16 |
| - jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~quassel@47-186-105-237.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 22:33 | |
| + Gooberpatrol_66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:41 | |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:42 | |
| grimmware | I think the rk has got onboard wifi and bluetooth but it's not working yet? | 22:49 |
| grimmware | that's the impression I got at any rate | 22:50 |
| grimmware | or at least the one I have regardless of whether it reflects reality at all | 22:50 |
| josch | grimmware: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2024-08-08.log.html#t17:34:44 | 22:53 |
| josch | grimmware: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2024-08-25.log.html#t17:40:57 | 22:56 |
| grimmware | ah I see, I think it was the latter that gave me that impression | 23:09 |
| grimmware | josch: out of interest, how are you *searching* the IRC logs? | 23:09 |
| josch | grimmware: grep | 23:09 |
| grimmware | heh, so you're keeping a local copy? | 23:09 |
| josch | yes, i download them with: | 23:10 |
| josch | wget -nc -r --no-parent https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/ | 23:10 |
| grimmware | oh shit I didn't know wget could do recursive :O | 23:10 |
| josch | the fun bit is the -nc flag which allows you to run multiple times and each time it will only download those days that you do not have yet | 23:11 |
| grimmware | josch: I have been Linuxing for a long enough time now but I am always learning things from you <3 | 23:11 |
| josch | you're welcome :) | 23:12 |
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