| ^alex | ah ok | 00:00 |
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| ^alex | we miiiiight try and remove the tinyusb in the repo and rely on the tinyusb in the picosdk | 00:00 |
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| mundane-1emantic | i'm trying to debug installing a new EDP cable and adapter on a LS1028A module w/ a 23-03-16 motherboard -- the display isn't lighting up or coming up, but i can login via serial. i'm interested in clues for how to diagnose/debug going through the system logs or maybe checking the other serial port | 03:11 |
| mundane-1emantic | i just reflashed the sdcard with a system image and theres no solid state storage or wifi card in. | 03:12 |
| josch | mundane-1emantic: probably minute will be able to help you but they usually will only be online in around ~6 hours | 03:12 |
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| josch | (i also have an ls1028a but it's a headless system without display connected) | 03:14 |
| mundane-1emantic | josch: thanks! i'll probably be offline by that time, but will try to find some time to be online during regular mnt hours soon. | 03:14 |
| mundane-1emantic | josch: i suppose i have one of those right now :) | 03:14 |
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| mundane-1emantic | minor update: in a dark room it looks like the backlight for the display is on, but still nothing except all black onscreen | 05:21 |
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| mundane-1emantic | going to try replacing the som w/ the old one tomorrow and see if that works better | 08:33 |
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| kensanata | Got my Pocket Reform yesterday. I have a question regarding the battery OLED menu: it says some percentage for the top battery and "Off" for the second battery. What does that mean? | 11:31 |
| Twodisbetter | No single received. It could be the voltage got too low in shipping, maybe. Or it is not plugged in. I'll let minute chime in though as they would know for sure. | 11:39 |
| [tj] | minute: that usb recovery is really cool. The olimex module I got first booted from sd with an invalid switch position, we think it went into the manufacture mode that is hidden in the datasheet. Do you know if something excludes that from working as a recovery option? | 11:40 |
| kensanata | Twodisbetter: I guess was just the power state; after charging it for a while and starting it up again, the "Off" changed to "On". | 11:50 |
| Twodisbetter | Yeah sometimes it takes the battery some time getting hit with charging voltage to "wake" it up. This is why it is dangerous to over deplete lithium batteries. Glad it is working now. Just remember it will take a couple of charge and usage cycles for the battery meter to be correct. | 11:52 |
| kensanata | Yeah. I also ran into the problem that it wasn't charging when I thought it was so when it dropped from 1% to zero, it shut down; when I restarted it after some charging I was faced with the initramfs prompt because of an error in the cleanup; only a second restart came up correctly. Gave me a scare! :D | 11:54 |
| josch | i've written about this already in the forum but let me write this here as well: i'd be happy if people could help testing linux 6.10.3 from this MR: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/50 | 11:59 |
| josch | the easiest way to test is to add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: | 12:00 |
| josch | deb [trusted=yes arch=arm64] https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/5207/artifacts/raw/repo reform main | 12:00 |
| josch | after an "apt update" this should let you upgrade your kernel | 12:00 |
| minute | kensanata: Off/On just says if the pocket reform (it's system-on-chip) is on or off ^^ | 12:04 |
| minute | josch: oh, i'll need to test that | 12:04 |
| minute | kensanata: the percentage is the total battery percentage | 12:04 |
| kensanata | minute: Thanks! | 12:06 |
| minute | josch: installing now on imx8mp pocket reform | 12:11 |
| josch | great, thank you! :) | 12:11 |
| minute | eager to try suspend | 12:22 |
| minute | > Linux reform 6.10.3-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.10.3-1+reform20240806T080709Z (2024-08-06) aarch64 GNU/Linux | 12:27 |
| minute | it does boot | 12:27 |
| minute | > [ 300.830976] psci: CPU1 killed (polled 0 ms) | 12:32 |
| minute | (the last thing i see @ suspend) | 12:32 |
| minute | does not wake up | 12:32 |
| minute | second to last line is > [ 300.829914] IRQ223: set affinity failed(-22). | 12:33 |
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| josch | okay, but your uname output looks good. This is already great because (again) the Debian linux kernel developers changed quite a few things in their tooling and i had to adapt linux/build.sh to do the right thing of the day... | 13:18 |
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| + murphnj (~murph@user/murphnj) | 13:26 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:03 | |
| + mtm (~textual@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:05 | |
| minute | josch: in #linux-imx i got a recommendation to add this patch for imx8mp https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240418155151.355133-1-ivitro@gmail.com/ | 14:55 |
| minute | (for suspend/resume) | 14:55 |
| josch | uuuh, lets try this out! | 14:55 |
| josch | minute: i'll send you the CI job once it's done :) | 14:55 |
| minute | thaanks | 14:56 |
| josch | minute: do you also have the last bits for https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/49 ready before it can get merged? | 14:57 |
| minute | josch: i pushed some new stuff but that broke gitlab | 15:09 |
| josch | minute: you mean these frequent error 500? you are getting those as well? | 15:12 |
| minute | yeah i get that on that MR | 15:14 |
| josch | i got those quite a few times today while working on MR 50 and it seems quite random | 15:17 |
| josch | after disabling building the rt kernel, the build_linux job now is done in 27 minutes | 15:20 |
| josch | i should work on making build_custom (building handbooks) faster next i guess... | 15:21 |
| josch | minute: i have to run now but this job should give you some .deb to install in its artifacts in about 18 minutes: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/5217 | 15:34 |
| minute | very nice @ 27 mins | 15:57 |
| mundane-1emantic | its a few hours before i have more debugging time i can spend on it, but i notice the ls1028a heatsink looks like its pressing against the back of the case. maybe my own mis-assembly, and maybe the source of the missing graphics | 16:24 |
| mundane-1emantic | other than the display everything seems fine. wifi card works, can get it on the network and get updates etc | 16:24 |
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| minute | rcore batch 1 now in quoting @ pcbway | 17:07 |
| josch | phew exciting!! | 17:11 |
| josch | minute: do you remember why you initially added policykit-1 to the list of package in reform-system-image? The package now got removed from unstable and I'm wondering whether to replace it with pkexec or polkitd or both. | 17:58 |
| minute | josch: hmm maybe it's not necessary. i think we're using lxpolkit for sway, no? | 18:04 |
| josch | minute: ah i may have found the culprit: /usr/bin/reform-synaptic uses pkexec | 18:06 |
| minute | josch: ah. i haven't gotten any feedback if anyone ever used that | 18:17 |
| minute | josch: so i say we remove reform-synaptic, synaptic, pkexec and the function from reform-tray | 18:17 |
| josch | minute: are you not worried about any potential users with reform-synaptic somewhere in their sway or waybar config? | 18:19 |
| josch | usually, once you put something in PATH, you are stuck with it forever XD | 18:19 |
| minute | josch: i am not worried | 18:19 |
| josch | then it will get removed :) | 18:20 |
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| noam | > I am not worried | 18:47 |
| noam | "but *they* should be!" | 18:47 |
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| midfavila | fwah | 20:19 |
| ^alex | teh | 20:19 |
| midfavila | if mnt ever does a cost-reduced SBC-style board or something tha's in that range i'm throwing this rockpro64 out the window | 20:19 |
| midfavila | i've been fighting with this piece of junk for *two months* | 20:19 |
| midfavila | WOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINALLY | 20:31 |
| midfavila | managed to kick this piece of crap into booting something approaching regular debian with a pair of disks running off an SAS card | 20:32 |
| ^alex | rockpro more like rockamateur amirite folks | 20:33 |
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| midfavila | rockprobablynotbuyinganotherone | 20:34 |
| midfavila | rev. 2.1 | 20:35 |
| midfavila | =w=\ | 20:35 |
| midfavila | christ on a stick | 20:35 |
| Twodisbetter | does any6one know about the 6.10 regression holding it from getting released | 21:07 |
| ^alex | midfavila, "rockprobablynotbuyinganotherone" made us laugh aloud thanks | 21:11 |
| Twodisbetter | also I am noticing that when the battery is full that the charging circuit continues to let the battery charge some (2 seconds or so) and then resumes charging shortly (for 2 seconds). This process keeps repeating. Is this normal behavior and is this not good for the battery? | 21:12 |
| Twodisbetter | this is on the pocket reform | 21:12 |
| midfavila | i'll be here until 1700 regina time at least ^alex | 21:26 |
| midfavila | :p | 21:26 |
| mundane-1emantic | is there any way to query the ls1028a gpu about whether it thinks it has a edp connection? i'm not sure where to look for device driver debug/print/etc access | 21:37 |
| mundane-1emantic | kernel module for the gpu seems to come up alright, doesnt complain in dmesg at least | 21:38 |
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| josch | vagrantc: is it possible for flash-kernel to give me a boot.scr but not do anything dtb-related? | 22:24 |
| josch | vagrantc: essentially, i want flash-kernel to process and install bootscr.uboot-generic -- is that easily possible? | 22:25 |
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| vagrantc | josch: dunno. | 22:41 |
| vagrantc | josch: i have no fondness for flash-kernel, just never got around to replacing it. | 22:42 |
| minute | mundane-1emantic: the driver for the display is called malidp | 22:43 |
| josch | vagrantc: i now ended up sourcing /usr/share/flash-kernel/functions in my shell script and call mkimage_script() from there manually | 22:43 |
| aloo_shu | can you help me out with a link and save me [further] searching? I remember I once read a timeline of either the mnt-reform or mnt as a whole, documenting decisions from defining goals over sourcing parts, incorporating changes after prototype feedback, to employment and team, with their respective rationales, and I found this part, 'opensourcing' the management aspect in a manner of speaking, | 22:45 |
| josch | vagrantc: do you know if there is a reason why the flash-kernel package installs bootscripts like bootscr.uboot-generic into /etc instead of into /usr/share/flash-kernel? | 22:45 |
| aloo_shu | the most impressive and would like to be able to link others to it | 22:45 |
| vagrantc | josch: historically they needed to be customizable in most cases, although the "generic" distro_boot functionality made that less and less a requirement | 22:45 |
| vagrantc | josch: u-boot may (already?) have dropped support for boot scripts | 22:46 |
| josch | vagrantc: oh! do you have a link? | 22:47 |
| grimmware | minute, josch: what are your feels on a wiki (albeit one that requires approval for updates to save on misinformation or moderation)? Discourse is not the best for living documentation because the information ends up fragmented across multiple threads and it would be great to succinctly communicate the state of various things in an up-to-date way. | 22:47 |
| vagrantc | josch: not off the top of my head ... it's been talked about in irc and on the mailing lists now and again ... i have not been following closely ... but a recent build seemed to not support it | 22:48 |
| josch | grimmware: i think it might make sense to use the wiki functionality of source.mnt.re for that | 22:48 |
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| josch | vagrantc: thanks! | 22:48 |
| grimmware | josch: nice, I’ll have a look at that. | 22:48 |
| minute | grimmware: sure! multiple people volunteered to do this in the past but didn't pull it off | 22:48 |
| vagrantc | josch: i might also be misremembering :) | 22:49 |
| josch | vagrantc: i would certainly not shed a tear for boot.scr support :) | 22:49 |
| vagrantc | josch: but there is a push to drop deprecated features with the switch to bootstd | 22:49 |
| grimmware | minute: ace, well I won’t promise anything so I don’t have to join the ranks of people who didn’t pull it off and then whatever happens happens. | 22:51 |
| grimmware | K, I’m off to bed. Laters. | 22:51 |
| josch | vagrantc: the reason why we are still using flash-kernel (generating boot.scr) instead of u-boot-menu (generating extlinux/extlinux.conf) is the ancient u-boot versions of boundary u-boot on user's machines without distro_boot support... :( | 22:52 |
| josch | aloo_shu: this one? https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2019-01-14-status_update_on_reform.html | 22:53 |
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| Zaba | ancient vendor u-boot is always sad | 22:55 |
| Zaba | one of few things that are more sad than just plain u-boot | 22:56 |
| vagrantc | josch: i apparently still am using a version without display support i just realized. | 22:59 |
| vagrantc | or, it works inconsistantly ... have enough boards hard to remember which was working with what | 23:00 |
| josch | :D | 23:02 |
| aloo_shu | josch: close, that type of info and insights, but for an entire product or enterprise timeline rather than a specific release. Can't be sure if my memory is playing tricks and I was going through a blog post by post at the time. could even have been external but referred from mntre or crowdsupply, e.g. feature/interview, but I don't think so | 23:04 |
| aloo_shu | https://mntre.com/news-archive.html is containing a lot of the history to piece together, but my non-infallible memory at least speaks of a more timeline organized single document with more focus on decisions and some, but less exhaustive detail on tech specs | 23:13 |
| aloo_shu | thanks anyway, I'm already rubber ducked into more searching ;) | 23:19 |
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