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| josch | minute: when you decide for a specific job to link https://mnt.re/system-image to, you should also click the button on the right-hand side of the job overview "Job artifacts" -> "Keep" | 08:37 |
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| josch | otherwise they will get auto-deleted after some time and the current set seems to have gone 404 as reported here: https://community.mnt.re/t/operating-system-on-nvme-without-sd-card/110/49 | 08:38 |
| josch | minute: another way to keep the artifacts would be to create a git tag or release of course | 08:38 |
| swivel | got my reform today | 08:50 |
| swivel | seems to work pretty well so far | 08:50 |
| swivel | minute: nice work it's hugely appreciated | 08:51 |
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| minute | josch: thanks for reminding me, gotta take care of this today | 09:45 |
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| Twodisbetter | minute: so we are seeing some social media assembly pictures on the pocket. Do we have estimates on when shipping might be happening? | 10:31 |
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| minute | Twodisbetter: currently blocked by me needing to polish some firmware things and (at least part of) the manual | 11:03 |
| Twodisbetter | minute: copy. No worries and no rush. Quality takes time and MNT has earned the reputation they have! | 11:11 |
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| josch | minute: data point: i'm currently in an IC train (one of those RE wagons that just got painted white) and it has power sockets with a label indicating that they provide 90 W. It seems it cannot charge my reform which is at 20% battery and thus will probably draw close to 90 W to charge as I had measured a while ago. :( | 14:19 |
| sigrid | hackers movie: person sitting on a train mashing keys real fast to patch lpc firmware to lower charging rate, battery is at 1%. person behind: "YOU HAVE 18 SECONDS LEFT!!!!" | 14:22 |
| sigrid | (sorry) | 14:22 |
| ericsfraga | :-) | 14:22 |
| josch | sigrid: i wish you could flash the lpc without needing a second computer ;) | 14:23 |
| josch | sigrid: there actually is a patch from minute that does exactly what you propose which i could flash | 14:23 |
| josch | need to buy the pocket reform after all for situations like this :D | 14:23 |
| sigrid | does the patch lower/raise it dynamically? | 14:27 |
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| josch | aha, success! | 14:43 |
| josch | shutting the reform down made it charge while switched off | 14:43 |
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| minute | i made a reform rk3588 demo video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNfC22P0Zc0 | 14:44 |
| minute | josch: sorry that reform is too powerful for RE trains :( | 14:45 |
| josch | sigrid: http://dump.mntmn.com/reform2-lpc-charge-duty1.patch | 14:46 |
| minute | uh oh | 14:46 |
| minute | don't use that duty cycle thing imho | 14:46 |
| minute | use the soft start one | 14:47 |
| josch | minute: my firmware is using the soft-start patch | 14:47 |
| minute | ah good | 14:47 |
| josch | and that one still ends up drawing too much in the end (maybe) | 14:47 |
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| josch | for my personal use of the reform i never found myself in the position where i wanted/needed it to charge faster. I always had plenty of time to let it charge, so personally, I would be more happy with having it charge slower but more reliably on low wattage power sources | 14:48 |
| minute | ok, i will look into a hardware mod for that at some point | 14:51 |
| minute | probably tweaking a resistor might be enough | 14:52 |
| minute | we also need to make _another_ motherboard batch soon | 14:52 |
| minute | :0 | 14:52 |
| josch | oh but that's really good, no? | 14:52 |
| sigrid | no audio in that video? | 14:56 |
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| josch | minute: i love how you show gitlab in that video as a legitimate benchmark -- look, it is fast enough to do gitlab smoothly!! :D | 14:59 |
| josch | oh wow, the kicad pcb editor is really smooth! | 15:00 |
| josch | very mid performance of that one on a311d | 15:01 |
| ch | it sucks that gitlab web is a relevant metric, but it is :( | 15:01 |
| josch | i recently had a good time using the "glab" utility to do some tasks from the CLI for which i otherwise had to switch to a browser | 15:02 |
| josch | they even have a markdown renderer for the terminal | 15:02 |
| minute | https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2024-04-12-april-update.html | 15:04 |
| minute | ch: yeah, it was on my list as "heavy web apps" :D | 15:04 |
| minute | but it is not the normal gitlab but gitlab IDE which is basically vs code in the browser... accesible by pressing "." in a repo | 15:04 |
| sigrid | "We'll produce our first batch on April 15, 2024." does that mean they are going to be shipped soon? | 15:04 |
| sigrid | "soon" meaning this/next month | 15:05 |
| minute | yeah! | 15:05 |
| minute | the first ones at least | 15:05 |
| sigrid | noice | 15:05 |
| vkoskiv | Is it still possible to do a PR for the keyboard firmware for it to make it in the pocket reform units? | 15:06 |
| josch | minute: lets see whether the "oh but 4 GB is not enough" crowd was just whining or is actually putting some money on the table now ;) | 15:07 |
| ch | i was pondering rk3588 but maybe with a pocket reform around it? making a decision on this is hard | 15:11 |
| sigrid | ACTION is on the "1Gb ram is enough" crowd | 15:17 |
| minute | vkoskiv: depends! | 15:18 |
| minute | vkoskiv: i will attack that firmware today and port oled menu over | 15:18 |
| vkoskiv | It's that change from a while ago to ignore hidraw draw commands when any system menu is open | 15:18 |
| vkoskiv | Should be a fairly small change | 15:18 |
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| minute | vkoskiv: aha, so far there is no menu at all! | 16:10 |
| minute | i need to bring it in today | 16:10 |
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| kop316 | Silly question, does https://mntre.com/news.html have an RSS feed? I am not seeing it on the site | 16:26 |
| josch | kop316: https://mntre.com/reform_md.atom | 16:34 |
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| minute | sigrid: btw mega sorry, i misread your question. i thought you were asking about pocket reform | 16:46 |
| minute | sigrid: rk3588 shipment will take at least a month due to the production of the adapters | 16:46 |
| swivel | are there any hacks available for increasing the reform's screen max brightness? | 16:47 |
| kop316 | josch: Thanks! If I may make a suggestion, it would be nice to have that somewhere here: https://mntre.com/news.html (But I may have missed it) | 16:48 |
| minute | swivel: no, but there is an alternative display that might be brighter/more contrasty, i'm trying ot sample it atm | 16:48 |
| minute | someone here pointed me to it and bought it on aliexpress or so | 16:48 |
| swivel | ah.... mine's a bit too dim in the bright office I'm wanting to use it in | 16:49 |
| sigrid | minute: ah ok. not bad anyway | 16:49 |
| minute | swivel: wow, that must be quite bright there | 16:49 |
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| minute | i met 2 people from firefly at embedded world, they were very sweet and happy to see me/us | 16:50 |
| minute | and it was also interesting to talk to rockchip people | 16:50 |
| minute | they see themselves as a small company making risky bets | 16:50 |
| vkoskiv | sigrid: I've been studying 6502 assembly on my Apple II, it has a 64k address space with memory-mapped I/O. Makes 1GB of RAM sound like a distant dream of the future :D | 16:54 |
| kop316 | minute: Sorry different silly question for you: are the compute modules between the reform and pocket reform compatible? | 16:55 |
| bluerise | minute: that's interesting, I feel like their risks pay out. at least in this SBC market, they are really on the forefront | 16:55 |
| minute | bluerise: yep, that's kind of what i told too | 16:55 |
| bluerise | I'm just a bit unhappy with Firefly, Radxa/Pine64 seem more community friendly | 16:55 |
| vkoskiv | Another gem served up by Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0gS5TXarXc | 16:56 |
| minute | kop316: it depends, check the big table on this page (last rows) https://mntre.com/modularity.html | 16:56 |
| vkoskiv | Low-level look at how signals work on arm64 linux. | 16:56 |
| vkoskiv | I knew signals were a low-level thing, but somehow I wasn't expecting it to be *that* low level. Replacing the program counter before returning to userspace, and then putting it back after the signal code has run. | 16:57 |
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| kop316 | minute: ahh perfect, thanks! | 17:00 |
| kop316 | (that's really tempting to get now...) | 17:01 |
| minute | josch: objections? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/merge_requests/68 | 17:01 |
| minute | vkoskiv: cool, gonna watch at some point | 17:01 |
| vkoskiv | I only upgraded to the A311D some months ago, but now I want the RKCORE module module :D | 17:05 |
| vkoskiv | If I end up getting it, I'll offer to sell my A311D for a good price | 17:05 |
| jfred-linode | I bit the bullet on the RCORE module because upgrading my Reform to something with 32 GB of RAM was just too good to pass up | 17:06 |
| minute | good ol' a311d! | 17:07 |
| jfred-linode | What size is the risograph pocket reform poster going to be? It seems double-sided frames are uncommon enough that I'd like to find something that works to mount it before I get it haha | 17:08 |
| minute | jfred-linode: i think A3 | 17:08 |
| josch | vkoskiv: i might be interested in your a311d as a replacement for my ls1028a | 17:09 |
| jfred-linode | minute: thanks! | 17:09 |
| josch | minute: oh nice trackball2 firmware! | 17:09 |
| josch | minute: would it maybe make sense to have the download links point to the latest released tag instead of what is currently in main? | 17:09 |
| minute | josch: i did this a while ago while writing some updates for the handbook, and forgot to make an MR! | 17:09 |
| minute | josch: maybe yes :D | 17:09 |
| josch | i need to package the picotool stuff XD | 17:10 |
| josch | oh and tinyusb | 17:13 |
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| vkoskiv | That video I linked, it seems like that's not the first excellent video from that channel. These are really well explained and illustrated! | 17:21 |
| minute | josch: and pico sdk? :D | 17:22 |
| minute | not much love for pi pico in debian yet | 17:23 |
| josch | minute: MR looks good to me. Ultimately I was thinking about integrating downloading and flashing functionality into reform-tools but i'm yet unsure about a good CLI interface foor that. I don't like the ideas I came up with so far. And I also wanted to package picotool stuff first... | 17:24 |
| josch | packaging might not be too bad because it seems that nothing needs to be built and only the source needs to be available somewhere -- probably under /usr/src/pico... or similar | 17:26 |
| josch | i'm not very motivated because those git repose do not have any tags or releases | 17:26 |
| josch | on the other hand i use rp2040 for other stuff so this would benefit me also outside the reform :) | 17:27 |
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| swivel | minute: it is pretty damn bright at work, but i have other displays all over my desk which don't struggle so much.... we do consumer electronics so there's a bunch of hardware stuff going on and I presume that's why the lighting is so bright and everything painted white etc, it's like a hospital. | 17:40 |
| swivel | i just wonder if maybe the backlight driver can have a component tweaked to overdrive the backlight a bit, i remember the led backlight driver for the ccfl thinkpad conversion kits could be cranked up by changing a resistor or something like that | 17:42 |
| minute | swivel: that would be a modification on the display then, as we only send a digital pwm signal encoding the brightness | 17:53 |
| minute | josch: ok, thanks for taking a look! | 17:54 |
| josch | yw :) | 17:55 |
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| swivel | minute: ah ok, i didn't realize there wasn't a separate backlight driver board (my reform came assembled) | 18:17 |
| minute | swivel: there isn't | 18:21 |
| minute | swivel: it's built into the display | 18:21 |
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| Twodisbetter | speaking of trains way earlier today in Germany: Has your Reform (anyone reading this with one and living in Germany or any other place with trains that you ride) started any conversations that you think got another Reform sold? | 22:27 |
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| vkoskiv | An airport police person at Frankfurt airport security did look up the MNT website, so you never know :D | 22:39 |
| josch | Twodisbetter: today i got the comment "oh this laptop is antique!" to which i turned it upside down and said "nope, it's repairable" | 22:40 |
| vkoskiv | Flipping it is always fun, people just go "oh!" | 22:41 |
| Twodisbetter | yeah, I have a thing with my kids, where I have them look at the bottom of the Reform, and say isn't that cool, and they are always annoyed now, because it is a gotcha thing now. Hahaha! | 22:42 |
| vkoskiv | I am about this close to posting to tinycc-devel --> || (very close) | 22:43 |
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| Twodisbetter | vkoskiv: awesome! | 22:45 |
| digitalrayne | minute, i'm still using that brighter/more contrasty display on my reform - the only thing i've noticed is sometimes the lower pwm levels flicker a bit, but this could be a software thing, i'm not running the standard mnt image | 23:05 |
| digitalrayne | at max brightness it hurts my eyes but i am also a goblin who lives in a dim cave | 23:05 |
| vkoskiv | Okay, at | | now. The upstream git version works, but I don't know why yet. | 23:09 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, debian unstable has a newer version than the arch repo. Should maybe ping the arch maintainer that the last release is from 2017, and there have been many fixes since then :D | 23:14 |
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