| noam | minute: assuming I tested the SoM right and the issue is the capacitors, what does the cost look like for repair? tbqh I don't think I trust myself to solder this by hand :/ Maybe I should see if there's a hackerspace nearby or something that has better tools I could rent out... | 00:11 |
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| minute | noam: did you already find a 5v to gnd short on the module? | 00:37 |
| minute | noam: another option would be to abandon imx8mq and upgrade to a311d. did you consider that already? | 00:39 |
| noam | minute: fairly sure it's shorted, yes; first tested the 5V->gnd connection (first and fourth pin from the top, if I read the schematic correctly)? Then tested the capacitors, and multiple of them are reading as effectively shorts if I tested correctly | 00:40 |
| noam | That said, it's entirely possible i misread the schematic, or was looking at an outdated one (it was date-stamped as from 2020 IIRC :/), or that my testing was flawed | 00:42 |
| noam | minute: as for upgrade, I've considered it but I'm not really interested. I'd rather repair what I've got than waste it. | 00:43 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 00:43 | |
| minute | noam: oh ok! the problem is that you need to be lucky to find exactly the capacitor that is broken | 00:43 |
| minute | noam: and that can be done only by trial afaik | 00:43 |
| noam | I was thinking of just replacing all of them to be safe :P | 00:44 |
| minute | noam: as there are a number of identical caps in parallel on the 5v input | 00:44 |
| minute | noam: in my experience replacing a single one often was enough... but i had some lucky hunches. sometimes it looked a little darker or sth | 00:44 |
| minute | sometimes i had to desolder 4 or 5 to find the one | 00:45 |
| minute | boundary never made a new rev of the module i think | 00:46 |
| minute | so 2020 is probably right | 00:46 |
| minute | anyway, i could do it but i am kind of swamped right now | 00:47 |
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| noam | The capacitors are fairly large by SMD standards, I miiiiiight be able to do it | 00:48 |
| noam | Can probably order the capacitors and some spares from a relatively local distributor, and get to work on testing / desoldering the existing ones before they arrive... | 00:49 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.8.188) | 00:49 | |
| minute | noam: good luck! | 00:54 |
| minute | hmm, my wayfire is suddenly broken. getting gray screen with cursor. | 00:54 |
| minute | ah lol. wrong user | 00:54 |
| minute | vkoskiv: suddenly i hear the keyboard's new coil whine. | 00:55 |
| noam | minute: thanks :) And double thanks for actually posting the schematics so that this is feasible, and triple thanks for actually helping me through it :) | 00:58 |
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| abortretryfail | noam: i dont know what tools you have at your disposal, but some capacitor ESR testers are good for measuring very small resistances. the one with the lowest resistance is likely to be your short. | 03:12 |
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| vkoskiv | minute: Yeah, it's kinda hard to un-hear it once you do. I'll do a bit of digging today to see if I can find a combo that works nicer | 08:41 |
| Zaba | also even a dirty cheap stereo microscope is a huge enabler for smd soldering | 09:28 |
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| noam | abortretryfail, Zaba: thanks :) | 10:58 |
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| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 12:14 | |
| erle | josch btw this is the MNT logo in unicode (mnt-logo.txt), but in the browser it does not render correctly, because the content-type is “text/plain” and not “text/plain; charset=utf-8” https://mister-muffin.de/p/5a4v.txt | 12:18 |
| erle | but type this to see an MNT logo on your unicode-capable terminal: curl -s 'https://mister-muffin.de/p/5a4v.txt' | 12:19 |
| vkoskiv | Cool! | 12:32 |
| vkoskiv | If we were to move to foot as a default terminal, could even print out a sixel logo | 12:33 |
| minute | vkoskiv: we already did! | 12:36 |
| minute | didn't realize that foot supports sixels | 12:37 |
| abortretryfail | minute: so far so good on the fixed lpc-fw :) | 12:37 |
| minute | abortretryfail: nice | 12:37 |
| minute | also still robust here | 12:37 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp-94-67-130-102.home.otenet.gr) | 12:38 | |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 13:15 | |
| erle | so what exactly outputs sixels? | 13:19 |
| erle | anyone has a tga 2 sixel script or so? | 13:19 |
| vkoskiv | erle: img2sixel(1) | 13:29 |
| erle | i have that installed actually | 13:30 |
| erle | well i did “apt-cache search sixel” and the only terminal emulator it shows is foot | 13:32 |
| erle | > Section: x11 | 13:32 |
| vkoskiv | Weird, it's definitely a wayland program | 13:33 |
| erle | oh right | 13:34 |
| erle | weston has several backends – it can run on linux KMS … or as an X client! | 13:34 |
| erle | somehow that is something i only learned today | 13:36 |
| erle | i mean it is the reference compositor, so ig it makes sense to advertise wayland programs as supporting X11 | 13:36 |
| erle | https://www.mankier.com/1/weston | 13:37 |
| abortretryfail | i always thought it was silly they called Weston the reference compositor. Nobody uses it | 13:46 |
| sknebel | "nobody" on desktop, maybe. and even then, reference doesnt quite mean that? | 13:47 |
| abortretryfail | I guess. Does it get use on mobile? | 13:47 |
| - cwebber (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~user@user/cwebber) | 13:48 | |
| sknebel | was thinking embedded (re mobile, not sure what the linux phones do, android has its entirely own thing) | 13:49 |
| abortretryfail | linux phones i've used were based on Phosh (gnome, basically) or that Unity-based thing they wrote using Mir for Ubuntu | 13:49 |
| abortretryfail | Weston plays like a tech demo, not something somebody would actually use to get anything done. The rotating windows thing is a good example of that, especially how it doesn't (or didn't...) have a way to snap to right angles. | 13:51 |
| erle | cjpeg is the reference jpeg library too | 13:52 |
| abortretryfail | hehe | 13:52 |
| erle | so far i think the only thing that it means is that google uses it for benchmarks | 13:52 |
| erle | they “webp is so much better than jpeg” benchmarks use cjpeg and not the highly optimized mozjpeg encoder | 13:53 |
| erle | i suggest to make your own value judgements about that ;) | 13:53 |
| abortretryfail | I do wonder how many years ahead we'd be in Wayland-land if they'd written something like wlroots instead of weston as an example. | 13:56 |
| abortretryfail | then again, i think wlroots was the product of a lessons-learned after sway was originally written to use wlc | 13:56 |
| erle | oh great, xfce4-screenshooter crashes itself when trying to screenshot a weston X11 window | 14:03 |
| Boostisbetter | I don't know. I think Waylands progress is super predictable. I think it is good to see progress there and I feel like Sway is an excellent tiler that takes advantage of what Wayland has to offer. | 14:04 |
| erle | i suspect wayland is more held back by missing features rn (i.e. the screen locking and window placement thing). by which i don't mean “those are totally impossible”, but more like “you can not rely on every wayland compositor doing this in the way users are accustomed to it” ig | 14:06 |
| erle | meanwhile, flameshot can screenshot weston | 14:07 |
| erle | sixel support looks nice https://mister-muffin.de/p/NwDy.png | 14:08 |
| abortretryfail | what's the problem with screen locking? | 14:40 |
| abortretryfail | I've heard the gripe about app devs wanting to be able to micro-manage where their window gets drawn and tbh i'm kinda glad wayland makes it hard. Sick and tired of stuff being drawn off-screen. | 14:41 |
| vkoskiv | What if I'm building a notification program? It's okay if notifications pop up anywhere on the screen? | 14:46 |
| vkoskiv | I think there are valid reasons to control window location | 14:46 |
| abortretryfail | hm, maybe | 14:47 |
| abortretryfail | those have been pretty poorly behaved in my experience too, like Firefox popping notifications up on other desktops and leaving them there. | 14:48 |
| abortretryfail | seems like they target the gnome/kde user and anyone using something like fluxbox, awesome, i3, sway, etc just gets to deal with shit being wrong. | 14:49 |
| sevan | w00t, new openzfs release adds support for 6.5 kernel which means I no longer need to hold back on to the old reform kernel | 14:59 |
| sevan | reform kernel is still on 6.5 right? :) | 15:00 |
| josch | sevan: yes, but not for long -- 6.6 can already be found on kernel.org since yesterday :) | 15:01 |
| sevan | heh :) | 15:02 |
| sevan | ordered the new antenna and the flex bars for the keyboard yesterday, looking forward to trying that. | 15:03 |
| josch | i printed the flex bars yesterday to see what the difference is to the solution i am running right now: https://community.mnt.re/t/reform-mod-idea-internal-keyboard-brace/1373 | 15:05 |
| josch | if you ordered the laird antenna, the improvement will be quite noticable | 15:05 |
| sevan | that's great :) | 15:06 |
| sevan | can't play atm anyway, so will have to wait until everything shows up. | 15:07 |
| sevan | had to pull all the keycaps off the keyboard for the first time, a while back. Did it by hand and snapped the legs on some of the caps, hopefully the superglue did the trick. Will find out when I install them back in. | 15:09 |
| noam | vkoskiv: for what it's worth, I have notifications on wayland on my work laptop and they always show up in the upper-right corner? | 15:44 |
| noam | but yeah, that's a question of which implementation you're using >_> | 15:44 |
| noam | In general, anything wlroots based works very well IME, and anything not is going to have problems :/ | 15:44 |
| rah | is it possible to power up the Reform 2 without batteries present? | 15:51 |
| noam | ...which one's the Reform 2? | 16:02 |
| noam | I've definitely powered my reform without batteries a couple of times | 16:03 |
| noam | though of course the monitored battery readings become nonsensible | 16:03 |
| vkoskiv | Reform 2 is the "normal" reform. Reform 1 was a beta unit, only few dozen were made. | 16:15 |
| erle | reform 1 battery is a slab | 16:36 |
| erle | i believe 15 were made and 13 actually ended up working, correct minute? | 16:36 |
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| Boostisbetter | I was missing a few applications that reform-check told me about, up until I installed those, I never saw a notification outside of a browser based one. | 17:29 |
| Boostisbetter | I kind of liked it though. I mean I was never bothered, and when I moved back to the screen with the application of concern I always found out then what was up. It was kind of a nice way to not let notifications interrupt me. | 17:30 |
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| minute | vkoskiv: erle: sounds about right, i think there were 13x reform 1. there were also i think 10x reform 2 betas. | 19:13 |
| minute | here are photos of reform 1 https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2019-01-14-status_update_on_reform.html | 19:14 |
| minute | https://mntmn.com/media/reform_assembly_images.html | 19:15 |
| minute | motherboard says reform 0.4 :D | 19:16 |
| minute | rah: the answer is yes btw | 19:16 |
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| minute | TIL that i can just look at pictures in my terminal... | 19:18 |
| erle | if you have the right terminal yes | 19:18 |
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| erle | libsixel-bin contains img2sixel and sixel2png | 19:19 |
| minute | yeah | 19:19 |
| minute | i use foot (and we ship foot as the default terminal) | 19:19 |
| erle | “cat mnt-logo.sixel” when | 19:20 |
| erle | oh LOL, libsixel-examples has a directory ”opengl” | 19:21 |
| erle | > Example program for libsixel-OpenGL integration | 19:21 |
| erle | let's see if i can have the minetest in the terminal haha | 19:22 |
| erle | this is so cursed | 19:22 |
| erle | i'm not doing that minetest thing | 19:24 |
| erle | but definitely funny | 19:24 |
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| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 19:33 | |
| erle | Run a trivial OpenGL application on xterm using osmesa and libsixel https://yt.oelrichsgarcia.de/watch?v=1m64s9_vcc8 | 19:37 |
| vkoskiv | Tried, but the make/configure setup seems broken | 19:50 |
| vkoskiv | I tries aclocal-1.15, but I have aclocal-1.16 :'D | 19:53 |
| vkoskiv | So much for autoconf | 19:53 |
| vkoskiv | fix that, it also just looks for a specific slightly older version of autoconf | 19:54 |
| vkoskiv | Fixed that, then the build violently explodes. | 19:54 |
| vkoskiv | The video is enough for me, I think :D | 19:55 |
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| erle | img2sixel can do gif in terminal too lol | 20:13 |
| f_ | minute: hah that reform1 is different from reform2 :D | 20:17 |
| f_ | I guess it was your first laptop? | 20:17 |
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| minute | f_: yep | 21:07 |
| f_ | cool | 21:10 |
| f_ | :D | 21:11 |
| josch | minute: awesome progress photos of the pocket reform on mastodon -- cool to see even without having preordered one :) | 21:12 |
| josch | the SM8650 sounds too good to be ever of feasible reality XD | 21:12 |
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| f_ | sdm845 is pretty nice | 21:22 |
| f_ | josch: and a mediabox soc inside a laptop was too good to be true until it became real :) | 21:23 |
| minute | josch: well, the sm8650 does exist, it was just mainlined by linaro | 21:26 |
| minute | josch: but i don't think there's a som for it yet | 21:26 |
| minute | f_: or do you know of a sm8650 module? | 21:26 |
| minute | josch: btw we should... soon start building a pocket reform image | 21:26 |
| minute | in the CI i mean | 21:26 |
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| + doctorhoo (~doctorhoo@217-210-162-155-no600.tbcn.telia.com) | 21:27 | |
| josch | i guess i'm just keeping my expectations low :) after having been in the "linux on mobile" space since openmoko times the reform is the first device that really became my only computer because it just does everything reliably enough. Everything else before was just too much hacks piled upon hacks to be more than a fun hacking project. | 21:31 |
| josch | minute: sure, doing so should only add another 10 minutes of computation time because theoretically only a new /boot partition has to be populated | 21:31 |
| josch | minute: do you have a u-boot binary for it? | 21:32 |
| minute | josch: ah. i think not, need to set up a repo | 21:48 |
| f_ | minute: I don't, sorry | 21:57 |
| vkoskiv | I cooked up a fun script with fzf: https://mister-muffin.de/p/Hia2 | 22:30 |
| vkoskiv | I have these aliases to use it: | 22:30 |
| vkoskiv | alias pkgi='~/utils/findinstall.sh pkg' | 22:30 |
| vkoskiv | alias apti='~/utils/findinstall.sh apt' | 22:30 |
| vkoskiv | Brings up a list, fuzzy match and select one, then it shows you the apt package, and lets you install it if you want | 22:31 |
| vkoskiv | Also shows the files it just installed after doing so | 22:31 |
| vkoskiv | Or with pkgi, shows you pkg-config flags, if any | 22:31 |
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