| minute | i.e. arch, fedora, debian all seem similar to me except different package managers | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| josch | the big distros just package stuff different but apart from that, they all come with linux as the kernel, GNU coreutils, glibc and systemd -- so there should not be big differences | 00:00 |
| minute | yeah exactly :3 | 00:00 |
| minute | and there's different philosophies of what to package when | 00:00 |
| vagrantc | upgrade processes may have ... very different experiences | 00:01 |
| minute | i like debian because it seems somehow very neutral and something that a lot of other stuff was based on | 00:01 |
| minute | as a german my first linux distro was of course *drumroll* SuSE but i don't really remember how that was | 00:03 |
| josch | same here -- i had some 7 cd box or something at home :D | 00:04 |
| josch | i remember when you logged in as root, the desktop wallpaper was filled with red bombs XD | 00:05 |
| minute | lol! | 00:06 |
| josch | i started with Debian when I got involved with the openmoko project | 00:07 |
| josch | i have tried finding an open hardware project good enough to be my daily driver since then :D | 00:07 |
| minute | oh cool | 00:13 |
| minute | i was following that stuff back in the day a bit, but not sure if i ever saw one... | 00:13 |
| josch | i had a neo1973 and two freerunners | 00:14 |
| josch | stuff barely worked XD | 00:14 |
| josch | seven years ago i bought a dragonbox pyra which never shipped and a few years later a librem 5 which never shipped (new excuse: you filed a complained with the state attourney of california and we can only ship your device after that complaint has been handled) | 00:15 |
| minute | huh > The Neo FreeRunner makes an appearance in William Gibson's 2010 novel Zero History, as the phone initially used by the character Milgrim. | 00:17 |
| josch | o0 | 00:18 |
| minute | josch: the librem 5 usa is in stock i hear :DD | 00:19 |
| josch | haha | 00:19 |
| vagrantc | librem5 is a little disappointing due to suspend issues on mainline linux | 00:19 |
| vagrantc | and thus, battery time... | 00:20 |
| josch | i applied for a refund years ago, then they changed the terms of the contract saying that the refund only can be processed once my spot in the queue is reached | 00:20 |
| josch | since they broke contract, we contacted the state attourney | 00:20 |
| josch | now they refuse to give the refund until the complaint of not giving the refund was processed | 00:20 |
| minute | bizarre | 00:21 |
| minute | did anyone here back the neo900? | 00:21 |
| josch | yup, i did | 00:21 |
| minute | oh :3 | 00:21 |
| josch | 250,00 EUR i'll never see again | 00:21 |
| minute | :/ | 00:22 |
| josch | vagrantc: i guess you saw russel cokers librem5 vs pinephone comparison on planet.debian.org? | 00:23 |
| vagrantc | josch: yeah | 00:25 |
| vagrantc | one of the extra reasons i was interested in the mnt/reform was that it had a similar SoC as the librem5 ... didn't have any imx8 :) | 00:27 |
| josch | oh and the gta04 (a motherboard upgrade for the openmoko freerunner) was another project i backed | 00:27 |
| vagrantc | so many hopes ... the mnt/reform actually delivered something pretty cool :) | 00:27 |
| josch | yup, suspend not working is such a small price to pay compared to the problems all these other platforms had (if they were more than vaporware) | 00:28 |
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| josch | anyway, time to hit the pillow! o/ | 00:30 |
| minute | n8 | 00:35 |
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| JC[m] | <vagrantc> "one of the extra reasons i was..." <- I was working at Biamp in Beaverton for a while, as the project lead for their video conferencing soundbar product line. These devices use the i.MX8. One day, my manager argued that no computers use a chip like this and I immediately replied "boy, do I have something to show you!" | 00:48 |
| JC[m] | My Librem 5 showed up late to the party, but it was there in spirit. ;) | 00:49 |
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| JC[m] | <vagrantc> "and thus, battery time..." <- I haven't calculated my overall battery life on my L5, but suspend does seem more stable lately. The phone also runs much cooler in general than before. | 00:53 |
| vagrantc | JC[m]: running pureos? | 00:54 |
| JC[m] | yeah, stock image | 00:55 |
| JC[m] | I'm happy to show it to you in person sometime if you're around. | 00:55 |
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| JC[m] | the battery life is allegedly doubled, and suspend wakes up early enough to catch the 1st phone call ring, get texts in a timely way, etc. | 00:57 |
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| sknebel | josch: haha, I remember that SuSE root wallpaper too. Was an effective way of getting the point across to young me 😅 | 11:08 |
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| minute | reevaluating the patchstack for imx8mplus now, i think a lot of stuff got merged | 15:49 |
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| josch | that's great to hear! | 15:59 |
| minute | yep, looks like "only" hdmi, sai and some mmc tweaks left | 16:11 |
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| jfred | Speaking of distros, I should dig into trying to get Guix System running on the Reform again. That's deeper into Guix internals than I usually go but I have more Scheme experience now than I did when I last looked at it | 16:30 |
| josch | jfred: vagrantc has gotten guix running on the reform | 16:31 |
| jfred | Oh! | 16:32 |
| jfred | Would be interested to try what they've got on my device then haha | 16:32 |
| josch | https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2023-06-01.log.html#t21:53:03 | 16:34 |
| josch | vagrant should come online in a few hours | 16:34 |
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| eery | the decision between more CPU cycles, or more RAM and less heat... | 16:59 |
| josch | you mean the decision between the ls1028a and the a311d? :) | 17:03 |
| sevan | jfred: I'm really interested in guix as a package manager. does it have the means of recognising components already available on the host and using those or does it insist on using its own versions? | 17:08 |
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| jfred | sevan: It very explicitly uses only components from Guix whenever possible. Tracking all dependencies of a piece of software and ensuring they're reproducible is a core goal | 17:21 |
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| sevan | jfred: understood. I was hoping to link against the host supplied OpenSSL | 17:26 |
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| eery | josch: nope, the A311D vs the imx8mplus -- I like more performance, but a less toasty Reform would be cool ... pun intended | 17:31 |
| minute | eery: a311d does not run hot | 17:31 |
| minute | eery: i think no difference vs imx8mp | 17:32 |
| eery | well, the imx8mp isn't really hot, but it gets a little warm if you're using it on your lap or something | 17:32 |
| minute | eery: you've tried the imx8mp already? | 17:33 |
| minute | eery: or you mean the imx8mq? | 17:33 |
| eery | ah, the quad yeah sorry | 17:34 |
| minute | eery: i would say the a311d runs less hot than the imx8mq | 17:34 |
| josch | wow o0 | 17:36 |
| minute | yeah... | 17:37 |
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| eery | hmm okay -- just out of curiosity, do you know if it can idle at lower power compared to the mq? Since it has the two A53s, dunno if it can "power off" the A73s or not | 17:37 |
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| minute | eery: checking now, on idle with full brightness it uses 0.23A at 26.25V | 17:39 |
| minute | (including a nvme ssd) | 17:40 |
| eery | wow, okay o_O | 17:40 |
| minute | while the imx8mq uses 0.263A at 26.67 | 17:40 |
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| sevan | I've been wondering about looking at the LPC driver to do graceful shutdowns, but don't want to start testing with my nvme drive installed first. Does the system still need to provide time for the nvme drive to shutdown if the drive is never mounted? (drives firmware expects to shutdown regardless, if power has been applied to it) | 17:58 |
| sevan | slacking on the need to find the box for my drive | 17:59 |
| sigrid | sevan: wdu mean by "time for the nvme drive to shutdown"? | 18:03 |
| jfred | This all has me really tempted by the a311d module whenever that's available | 18:04 |
| sevan | sigrid: carrying on the line of thought regarding the "unsafe shutdown" SMART counter being incremented. | 18:09 |
| sigrid | nvme informs when the shutdown is complete by flipping a bit | 18:12 |
| sigrid | it *usually* takes at most maybe milliseconds | 18:13 |
| sigrid | it makes sense to do a proper shutdown regardless of whether its mounted or not, because there still might be data in its write cache | 18:14 |
| sevan | ack | 18:14 |
| sevan | I want to spare the drive while I try :) | 18:15 |
| minute | jfred: we got the (hopefully) final RCM4 adapter pcbs today, and the bpi/a311d modules are in stock at sinovoip | 18:15 |
| jfred | Oh right, a311d was the CM4 module | 18:17 |
| josch | unsafe_shutdowns: 356 | 18:17 |
| josch | sevan: they last a while :) | 18:17 |
| minute | jfred: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-cm4-processor-module-adapter | 18:18 |
| josch | minute: the shop says "This is the reason we cannot offer the adapter as a bundle" but at the top it says "Bundle: Adapter for Raspberry Pi CM4" | 18:19 |
| minute | josch: yeah, "Bundle:" is the option type, it is onfortunate feature of the shop | 18:19 |
| josch | oooh | 18:19 |
| minute | unfortunate | 18:19 |
| minute | i will try to remove that | 18:19 |
| josch | well, you mentioned it several times in the product description :) | 18:19 |
| minute | we're working on a big redesign/restructuring of the website and i recently already cleaned up a lot of the shop design | 18:20 |
| minute | and we have related products now etc | 18:20 |
| jfred | Hmm, USB 2 only is a downside... though it's admittedly not often that I actually need fast USB transfer speeds haha | 18:20 |
| josch | oh will this also clean up the reform category? three pages is a lot | 18:20 |
| jfred | Does suspend work on the a311d? | 18:20 |
| minute | josch: yeah we want to split that up logically | 18:21 |
| josch | jfred: if it does, minute will get another bank transfer for the module from me | 18:21 |
| jfred | :P | 18:21 |
| minute | jfred: i haven't really tested/debugged that yet... there is a patch flying around that should make it work but couldn't really spend time on it yet | 18:21 |
| minute | but i tracked down an important bug in the rtw88 wifi driver last night and wifi is nice and stable now | 18:22 |
| minute | so i can dogfood that laptop a lot more now | 18:22 |
| jfred | (Also I'm now realizing that the a311d might be useful in the currently empty CM4 carrier board I have lying around too) | 18:22 |
| minute | josch: btw i'm trying to prepare everything to merge imx8mplus/pocket related changes into our kernel build | 18:23 |
| josch | nice! ping me if you need anything from me for that :r | 18:23 |
| josch | :) | 18:23 |
| minute | i will soon :3 | 18:23 |
| minute | now trying the updated kernel for the first time... my debug kernel build is monolithic though, converting to the proper modules will be challenging | 18:24 |
| minute | ok niiice, display came up on first try | 18:25 |
| josch | oh wow | 18:25 |
| josch | then you are already 90% there :δ | 18:26 |
| minute | yeah :D | 18:26 |
| josch | getting display started with the non-monolithic Debian kernel took me aaaaaages | 18:26 |
| minute | ah well, this is with monolith still :D | 18:26 |
| josch | (we had to put all these modules in the initramfs) | 18:26 |
| minute | i made a list of potential modules / config switches that are needed, but we'll need to see if they are enough | 18:26 |
| minute | > Linux version 6.4.0-rc5+ | 18:27 |
| josch | uh nice, then that version will probably also work well with the imx8mq :) | 18:27 |
| minute | should! | 18:28 |
| sevan | josch: less than a year in, I'm on 51 :) | 19:22 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:27 | |
| minute | josch: so these are the patches that we need to support imx8mp / pocket https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/tree/imx8mplus/reform2-and-pocket-imx8mp-imx8mq/patches-imx8mp | 19:40 |
| minute | josch: with kernel 6.4-rc5 | 19:40 |
| minute | and here is the work-in-progress dts https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/blob/imx8mplus/reform2-and-pocket-imx8mp-imx8mq/imx8mp-mnt-pocket-reform.dts | 19:43 |
| Boostisbetter | JC[m], my experiences have been that suspend is totally fixed. Modem reliability has also greatly improved. | 19:43 |
| Boostisbetter | It gives me a lot ofo hope for the Reform one day having super solid suspend as well. | 19:44 |
| josch | okay, my plan then is to move the linux/debian/patches/reform directory to linux/debian/patches/imx8mq-mnt-reform2 and put the patch stack into linux/debian/patches/imx8mp-mnt-pocket-reform | 19:45 |
| minute | josch: sounds good! | 19:45 |
| josch | minute: can we do something about the device tree model name? currently /proc/device-tree/model reads "MNT Reform 2" which is not very helpful for a laptop with multiple SoMs, each requiring a different dts | 19:46 |
| minute | josch: also, here's a list of config options that i grepped, but probably not yet exhaustive. some of these can be modules (maybe all, but then need to load display-related modules in initramfs) https://gist.githubusercontent.com/mntmn/d955083996a48baeefd52b9fce6058e7/raw/90bce5fc6976c4096ce9519361fa4f5ac6c11ee6/gistfile1.txt | 19:46 |
| josch | changing that to something more identifiable would also help the reform-tools scripts to decide what platform they are running on and then do the right thing | 19:47 |
| minute | josch: for sure. i guess "MNT Reform 2 (CPU Module Name)" and "MNT Pocket Reform (CPU Module Name)"? | 19:47 |
| minute | josch: i.e. MNT Reform 2 would become MNT Reform 2 (i.MX8MQ) | 19:48 |
| josch | sure, this is just the color of the bikeshed to me :) | 19:48 |
| minute | josch: so you agree or you had something else in mind? | 19:48 |
| josch | i had nothing else in mind | 19:48 |
| minute | ok cool | 19:49 |
| minute | josch: so otheres would be MNT Reform 2 (LS1028A), MNT Reform 2 (A311D), MNT Pocket Reform (i.MX8MP) et cetera | 19:49 |
| jfred | Not being too familiar with ARM, does each combination need its own dts? That's going to become exponential if so 😅 | 19:49 |
| minute | jfred: yes. | 19:49 |
| minute | we also worked on a compatibility/feature matrix, will be on the new website | 19:49 |
| josch | sweet :) | 19:49 |
| minute | not all combinations make sense | 19:50 |
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| josch | hrm... there is a problem though... flash-kernel currently identifies the reform by the string "MNT Reform 2" which would break if that was renamed | 19:54 |
| josch | i have to talk to vagrant later about how to best transition the name... | 19:55 |
| minute | yeah, i mean it doesn't need to be renamed immediately | 20:05 |
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| josch | vagrantc: currently the model name of the imx8mq reform is "MNT Reform 2" | 21:07 |
| josch | vagrantc: flash-kernel identifies the device by that name | 21:07 |
| josch | vagrantc: the problem is, that soon there will be more SoMs for the reform, so "MNT Reform 2" is too little information | 21:07 |
| josch | vagrantc: is there an established way to change model names for the flash-kernel database? | 21:08 |
| vagrantc | josch: new platforms should add more information | 21:08 |
| vagrantc | josch: old versions should stick to whatever they released with | 21:08 |
| vagrantc | anything else is ... basically guaranteed to do wrong. | 21:08 |
| vagrantc | (which has happened for various imx6 platforms back in the day) | 21:09 |
| josch | minute: ^ | 21:09 |
| vagrantc | MNT Reform 2 ... MNT Reform 2 crazylittleriscvboard ... MNT Reform 2 rk3568 ... etc./ | 21:10 |
| vagrantc | the identifier that flash-kernel uses comes from the device-tree | 21:10 |
| josch | vagrantc: we discussed this earlier, minute suggested to name them: MNT Reform 2 (LS1028A), MNT Reform 2 (A311D), MNT Pocket Reform (i.MX8MP) | 21:10 |
| vagrantc | josch: that sounds reasonable, yeah | 21:10 |
| josch | yes, it reads /proc/device-tree/model | 21:10 |
| vagrantc | but don't go breaking the already-in-linux device-tree entries just to make it "clearer" if possible ... | 21:11 |
| vagrantc | i mean, maybe it is early enough in mnt/reform lifecycle that it would not be terrible | 21:11 |
| josch | i understand your position -- minute will decide on that not me :) | 21:11 |
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| vagrantc | what gets tricky if there was something actually wrong at some point ... but well ... change as little as you can get away with :) | 21:13 |
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| minute | josch: MNT Reform 2 without anything extra is fine for me to signify i.MX8MQ | 21:15 |
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| minute | josch: so it doesn't need to be changed then | 21:15 |
| josch | nice :) | 21:16 |
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