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| Boostisbetter | josch: the pi zero 2 w is 64 bit as well but only has 512 meg RAM and so a 64 bit OS just uses up more memory by default. It doesn't make sense to run 64 bit OS there. | 06:48 |
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| josch | Boostisbetter: did you compare the ram usage quantitatively? | 06:49 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: we tried the same thing with the x32 architecture which uses 32-bit pointers on x86_64 to save memory | 06:50 |
| josch | in the end the savings were tiny and not worth maintaining the arch | 06:50 |
| Boostisbetter | No no comparisson, just assumption. 64 bit OSes have larger ram addressing, and will just use more inheriently. | 06:50 |
| josch | the biggest saving were for haskell binaries which makes extensive use of pointers | 06:50 |
| Boostisbetter | really?? | 06:50 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: i suggest you compare the memory usage of a armhf userland versus amd64 userland and see if it makes a different for your use-case | 06:51 |
| Boostisbetter | Maybe I should switch to it anywayy. One other reason for not doing that, was because at the time the 64-bit RP OS was kind of immature and not as heavily supported. | 06:51 |
| josch | arm64 might use a bit more memory (but most of memory usage is not pointers) but it also enables more instructions making stuff run faster | 06:52 |
| Boostisbetter | I think it will be worth it. Certianly worth trying it out. | 06:52 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: so while it worked, there was a noticable slowdown with the 64 bit version. I just switched back to the 32 bit version. | 09:57 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: I have just passed 100 succesful wake from standby using the v3 image with the 5.12 kernel. | 09:57 |
| Boostisbetter | I would say that this is standby with 100% functionality. | 09:57 |
| Boostisbetter | An excellent baseline. Now what is puzzling to me is why josch can't suspend with his NVME drives. If it wasn't his only computer at the moment, I would really like to see him return it to you to trace his board to see if something is wrong there. | 09:58 |
| Boostisbetter | Of course since it looks like he is aiming to get the 2.5 board maybe this will work itself out organically. | 09:58 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: do you use zRAM with your Reform? | 10:07 |
| Boostisbetter | also I just want to say this to everyone here: This community fostered by MNT is really excellent. There is a big contrast between the crowd here and over at other FOSS related things. (Purism for example) I just really appreciate all of the help and support I get here. | 10:09 |
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| eery | josch: there is actually an equivalent to x32 for ARM, apple uses it as least in their products, as their chips don't implement aarch32 in hardware at all | 13:02 |
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| eery | oh, debian already has an arm64ilp32 port :D | 13:04 |
| eery | well, not port, but experimental target | 13:05 |
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| josch | Boostisbetter: i'm not using zram. I never so far ran out of my 4 GB of ram. Right now, even with firefox open and having stuff open on 10 workspaces, i'm only using 66% of my memory. | 14:30 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: how big is your swap? | 15:00 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: 8G -- 200M of that used right now | 15:41 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: nice! I habe a 10gb swap and I am usually sitting at around 200M being used as well. | 15:45 |
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| sevan | hmm, I wonder if this applies broadly to u-boot USB support in general https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110390405316828476 | 17:34 |
| gsora | some of those i think apply in general yeah | 17:54 |
| gsora | usb is hell, truly a clusterfsck to comprehend and work with | 17:54 |
| sevan | :) | 17:55 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: so you have starcraft running on the Reform, but have you played a game yet? Does it run well? | 18:52 |
| Boostisbetter | That is a game I would love to loose some time on again. | 18:52 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: yes i have played it and yes it runs well | 18:56 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: it only becomes difficult on maps with several hundred units on it | 18:56 |
| josch | some campaign maps have multiple factions with hundreds of units each | 18:57 |
| Boostisbetter | ok, I still need to dig out my box, but I'm going to. | 19:05 |
| Boostisbetter | currently I've been gaming on my Reform like it is a 386 running dos. | 19:06 |
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| vagrantc | as if there were other platforms | 19:09 |
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| sevan | I've been off in powerpc land this week. | 19:20 |
| sevan | hmm https://github.com/AsahiLinux/u-boot/commit/507d07bcc438d9cd91c1441e4db46ecaf998891d | 19:24 |
| Boostisbetter | I cut my teeth on dos. 8088 style. | 19:48 |
| Boostisbetter | I have some really awesome memories from it, and dos will always have a special place in my heart as a result. | 19:48 |
| sevan | joke: and a permanent feeling of neven having sufficient base memory ;) | 19:50 |
| Boostisbetter | ahh yes, constantly trying to get more of that 640k available. | 19:50 |
| sevan | <3 | 19:50 |
| sevan | I love the sound blaster sticker on the Reform https://chaos.social/@jacqueline/110375481527515644 | 19:51 |
| bkeys | I wish I could make the Reform switch between headphones and speakers automatically depending on whether my headphones were plugged in or not | 19:53 |
| sevan | seems like a software issue, I noticed I have to do that manually in the gnome tray | 19:54 |
| bkeys | Yeah I figured it was a software issue. Does anyone know how to make it automatic? | 19:55 |
| sevan | I think I'm still thinking about sound blaster cards and hardware :) | 19:55 |
| bkeys | I know it can be done cause that is how my desktop is | 19:55 |
| sevan | are you running gnome too? | 19:56 |
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| bkeys | I run KDE | 19:58 |
| sigrid | bkeys: i know it's of no help but i did make it automatic in 9front by setting a specific configuration on wm8960 driver i wrote | 19:58 |
| sigrid | i tried the same with linux but had no way to test it | 19:58 |
| bkeys | I believe it's a pulseaudio/pipewire config | 19:59 |
| sigrid | i don't think so | 19:59 |
| sigrid | but i also am not versed in linux | 19:59 |
| sigrid | wm8960 config in the device tree has different pins set up for jack detection, i thought maybe that was related | 20:00 |
| bkeys | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1061414/how-to-disable-pulseaudio-automatic-device-switch | 20:00 |
| bkeys | According to this and looking at my config, it should already be automatic | 20:00 |
| bkeys | IMO it not being automatic makes little sense for a laptop; on a desktop I'm not plugging in/out my headphones very often but on a laptop I do it all the time | 20:01 |
| josch | bkeys: sigrid tried this but i tested it and it didn't work :( https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/6 | 20:07 |
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| josch | bkeys: sigrid tried this but i tested it and it didn't work :( https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/6 | 20:18 |
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| josch | bkeys: is your connection okay? :D | 20:19 |
| bkeys | josch: Yes I rode my bike onto the uni campus | 20:22 |
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| josch | bkeys: well, the stuff i tried writing you is here: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2023-05-18.log.html#t20:07:01 | 20:27 |
| bkeys | I see; but it doesn't work? I know Fedora has this functionality out of the box. Does debian provide it out of the box? | 20:29 |
| josch | bkeys: on other platforms i've never seen this problem with Debian | 20:30 |
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| sigrid | heh. I looked at wm8960 driver in linux and I don't see any interrupts being enabled nor handled | 23:34 |
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| sigrid | no wonder pulseaudio/pipewire can't tell the difference | 23:35 |
| sigrid | josch bkeys ^ | 23:35 |
| sigrid | so it seems like all the driver does with that information from device tree is set the registers through i2c so that the device itself knows when a switch happens | 23:36 |
| sigrid | for the OS to tell those apart it needs to get that through an interrupt on gpio | 23:37 |
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| sigrid | if anyone wants to hack on it, the way I configured it in that PR should be enough to get edge interrupt on gpio group 4, pin 21 | 23:43 |
| sigrid | high = hp, low = speakers, iirc | 23:44 |
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