| josch | Boostisbetter: https://mister-muffin.de/reform/linux5.12/ | 00:13 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch, hot dog! | 00:13 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: you can verify that this is really by me by getting linux_5.12-1~exp1.1_arm64.changes | 00:14 |
| josch | the .changes file is signed with my gpg key | 00:14 |
| josch | you can obtain my key by running | 00:14 |
| josch | gpg --no-options --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export --export-options export-minimal --armor --output josch.asc F83356BBE112B7462A41552F7D5D8C60CF4D3EB4 | 00:14 |
| Boostisbetter | so which file exactly is the one I should be pulling for the deb? | 00:15 |
| Boostisbetter | Also after I have installed it, I need to do something at boot with u-boot to select that kernel right? | 00:15 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: you need the two linux-image-*.deb files | 00:15 |
| josch | yes, you can either uninstall your more recent kernel (dangerous) | 00:16 |
| josch | or you can install u-boot-menu which lets you select the kernel you want when booting | 00:16 |
| Boostisbetter | ├── linux-image-5.12.0-trunk-arm64_5.12-1~exp1.1_arm64.deb | 00:16 |
| Boostisbetter | ├── linux-image-arm64_5.12-1~exp1.1_arm64.deb | 00:16 |
| Boostisbetter | right | 00:16 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, uboot menu it is | 00:17 |
| josch | good night | 00:18 |
| Booster[m] | thanks again, good night | 00:19 |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~XYZ@78-80-123-132.customers.tmcz.cz) | 00:28 | |
| chartreuse | Didn't know about uboot menu, will have to try that out too | 00:34 |
| sevan | hmm, loadlin + dosbox 🤔 | 00:42 |
| vagrantc | ACTION blinks | 00:43 |
| sevan | :D | 00:44 |
| Boostisbetter | Yeah no idea on uboot menu, it is late. Will try it in the morning. Have the kernel installed already just need to be able to select it. | 00:46 |
| vagrantc | Boostisbetter: you'll need either a u-boot patched to display to the screen or a serial console | 00:49 |
| vagrantc | or are the u-boot patches with screen support generally shipped with mnt/reform now? | 00:49 |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-25-204.customers.tmcz.cz) | 00:57 | |
| josch | vagrantc: they are | 01:33 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 01:33 | |
| vagrantc | shiny | 01:35 |
| josch | this is of course assuming that the DIP switch of Boostisbetter is set to ON | 01:41 |
| - mtm- (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 02:04 | |
| + bkeys1 (~Thunderbi@205.185.110.104) | 03:23 | |
| - bkeys1 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~Thunderbi@205.185.110.104) | 03:28 | |
| chartreuse | Is that dip switch setting documented anywhere? Presumably is the default even on reasonably early reforms as my uboot is visual after I updated the firmware last month | 03:30 |
| minute | the dip switch doesn't matter for that | 03:37 |
| minute | (in general) | 03:37 |
| minute | it only selects emmc vs sd card (and yup, it's in the handbook) | 03:37 |
| minute | so it depends which uboot version you have on your emmc vs sd card, respectively. recent system images have the version with visual console | 03:38 |
| chartreuse | Ah okay. Didn't remember that it was part of the system image instead of the LPC firmware | 03:38 |
| minute | the lpc doesn't do anything compute related. it just toggles power rails and doesn't really know anything about the som/soc | 03:43 |
| minute | (and deals with charging) | 03:43 |
| chartreuse | Ah okay, for some reason I thought it was part of the boot process, guess I misunderstood that | 03:49 |
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| + bluerise (~bluerise@pc19f8e46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 04:03 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 04:07 | |
| + mtm- (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 04:10 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 04:13 | |
| - robin (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~robin@user/terpri) | 04:21 | |
| - vagrantc (QUIT: Quit: leaving) (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 04:39 | |
| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 06:14 | |
| - mtm- (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 06:16 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~Srain@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 06:17 | |
| + mtm (~Srain@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 06:17 | |
| josch | chartreuse: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/issues/2 | 06:36 |
| josch | i mention the dip switch because even though recent system images have the uboot version giving you display support (as minute pointed out), there is no automated way to upgrade this | 06:36 |
| josch | so if you have the dip switch in the wrong position (OFF) then even though you just flashed a new sysimage-v3 to your sd-card, it will still use an old uboot (maybe without display support) from your emmc to boot that | 06:38 |
| josch | this is another reason why we shouldn't switch from boot.scr to extlinux.conf booting | 06:42 |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 06:42 | |
| josch | users that have their dip switch set to OFF will then not be able to boot from more recent sysimage-v3 sd-card images | 06:42 |
| Boostisbetter | Yep I see the console at boot. Just don't know how to configure u-boot-menu to select the kernel josch built. | 06:42 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: do you see the menu when you boot? | 06:44 |
| + robin (~robin@user/terpri) | 06:44 | |
| Boostisbetter | I think is. It first is checking USB host and then says for a second push any key to stop boot sequence or something like that. | 06:44 |
| Boostisbetter | I think yes I mean. | 06:45 |
| josch | no, that's not the menu | 06:45 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: did you "apt install u-boot-menu"? | 06:45 |
| Boostisbetter | Yes I dis | 06:46 |
| Boostisbetter | Yes I did | 06:46 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: can you verify that this file exists: /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf | 06:46 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: one second. | 06:47 |
| Boostisbetter | Well this time when booting it gave me an option to select a kernel. | 06:50 |
| Boostisbetter | I had 5.12.0 and 5.12.1 | 06:50 |
| josch | great | 06:50 |
| Boostisbetter | The latter was called a recovery | 06:50 |
| josch | and you booted the non-recovery and now you are on 5.12? | 06:51 |
| Boostisbetter | Yes and yes | 06:52 |
| Boostisbetter | I'll be testing out suspend here just a moment. | 06:54 |
| Boostisbetter | So far I'll have to select the 5.12 kernel at boot. I could force it by modifying the conf file you were talking about, I take it. | 06:55 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, and for some reason it was not showing me the u-boot-menu option when I was restarting yesterday. | 06:55 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: do not modify /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf yourself, it is autogenerated | 06:57 |
| Boostisbetter | copy | 06:57 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: to change its content, edit /etc/default/u-boot and for example set a different value for U_BOOT_DEFAULT then run u-boot-update again | 06:58 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, before I had a key combo set up to trigger the suspend script. Now, of course, I could have the same key combo triggger the systemctl suspendcommand right? | 06:59 |
| josch | sure | 06:59 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, so the kernel in question is number 3, is it uboot-prompt that needs to be updated to 3? | 07:02 |
| Boostisbetter | or is this a case of RTFM? | 07:02 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: when you open /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf then you will see the label names | 07:03 |
| josch | you will want l1 or l2 | 07:03 |
| Boostisbetter | thank you. Just tested suspend and it worked. It went down, amps dropped to just over 100 mA | 07:05 |
| Boostisbetter | pushing circle + space woke it up as before. Excellent. | 07:05 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, is there something else negative about running the 5.12 kernel? SHouldn't be right? | 07:05 |
| Boostisbetter | I mean that is why this is a custom kernel, you included all the stuff the current image is looking for? | 07:06 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, It is l1 that is the kernel I want. I updated the file. THank you for the assist there. BTW, hope I didn't wake you up. It is early. | 07:08 |
| Boostisbetter | I'm up because of the dog. | 07:08 |
| Boostisbetter | hahaha | 07:08 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, I owe you lunch, coffee, a beer or something. | 07:10 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: no, i did not add recent stuff as that would require more backporting | 07:10 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: this should be as close to the kernel we built in the past as possible | 07:10 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, I just meant that I shouldn't have problems with this kernel with all of the new stuff. | 07:10 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: what stuff exactly? | 07:11 |
| josch | for example in 6.1 from the repo i just enabled joystick support | 07:13 |
| josch | i didn't do this for 5.12 | 07:13 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, well there is a slight screen flicker that happens. Completely software by nature. It is just that some things will occasionaly not show correctly. If I mouse over them and wiggle the cursor most of the time it snaps the renderer out of it and the application displays normally. It doesn't happen always and is never permanent. | 07:13 |
| Boostisbetter | I didn't see this behavior at all under 6.1 | 07:14 |
| josch | another thing that 5.12 will not have is the video decoding part | 07:14 |
| Boostisbetter | But to have suspend back this is something I don't even care about | 07:14 |
| josch | those bits were only merged with 6.1 | 07:14 |
| Boostisbetter | copy. So that means all video is explicitly software? | 07:14 |
| Boostisbetter | was that platform wide in 6.1? IE: it didn't matter what browser you used, etc.? | 07:15 |
| josch | no it did | 07:15 |
| josch | userspace has to choose hardware decoding | 07:15 |
| josch | if it doesn't then it's software | 07:15 |
| josch | that why we needed those ffmpeg patches, for example | 07:15 |
| Boostisbetter | ahh ok, well I hope the regression between the two kernels can be found and patched. | 07:16 |
| Boostisbetter | suspend works great wth 5.12 | 07:16 |
| Boostisbetter | 6.1 is being used of the Librem 5 as well, and suspend is working great over there as well. | 07:16 |
| Boostisbetter | so I see light at the end of the tunnel. | 07:17 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: is there some way I could thank you for your help? Also is it ok if I post about this on the forum. To kind of tell people if they want suspend they need 5.12? | 07:31 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: no need to thank me -- my reform worked way harder than me to build this kernel. ;) | 07:31 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: feel free to post about this anywhere you like | 07:31 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 07:38 | |
| + mtm- (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 08:22 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 08:43 | |
| Boostisbetter | josch, I made a post and tagged you in it. I wasn't sure if I was at liberty to post the link you shared with me for the kernel itself. I kind of assumed they would just get with you. | 09:20 |
| Boostisbetter | I might be in the minority as someone who like suspend. | 09:21 |
| - qbit (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 3.7.1) (~qbit@h.suah.dev) | 09:21 | |
| Boostisbetter | I might be in the minority as someone who likes suspend. | 09:25 |
| Booster[m] | It seems that the better bridge for IRC is the one that Matrix utilizes. Interesting. So I am writing this from my freshly reimaged Reform running the freshly minted 5.12 kernel from josch. Suspend is working and I have it 99% back to the way it was. I feel like the Reform has really grown over the last 2 years. | 09:30 |
| Booster[m] | josch: I think the Reform has been helped a lot by you using it as your primary computer. Nothing encourages efforts to find fixes like something that effects us personally. | 09:31 |
| Booster[m] | josch: once again thank you for your time and efforts! | 09:34 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 09:39 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 09:44 | |
| * natalie- -> natalie | 09:52 | |
| josch | Booster[m]: yes, dog-fooding absolutely helps in getting stuff done :D | 10:12 |
| josch | suspend is also important to me but definitely less important than being able to watch 1080p@60 h264 :) | 10:16 |
| josch | Booster[m]: this channel is publically logged, so the link I sent you is already public: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2023-04-29.log.html | 10:17 |
| josch | I'll leave another reply with further instructions. | 10:17 |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 11:40 | |
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| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 12:05 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 12:40 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 12:59 | |
| minute | good to have confirmation about the suspend regression issue. then it can be bisected (which could take a lot of time though) | 13:00 |
| josch | one thing that makes it slow is, that the patch stack changes with the kernel version | 13:30 |
| josch | minute: do you have a recipe to make porting the patch stack easier? | 13:30 |
| minute | josch: perhaps the issue can be bisected without the patches first | 13:33 |
| minute | and later we should attempt more upstreaming (at least the pcie clock thing) | 13:34 |
| josch | right, not much more than a serial connection should be needed to reproduce this | 13:35 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 13:40 | |
| Boostisbetter | josch, regarding your comment on the forum (thanks!!!) I would say that normally I would appreciate video acceleration as well, BUT going back to my comments on how the Reform helps you to have a more focused computing experience, the lack of video acceleration means that it is somewhat limited and this encourages me to not use it that much. Thus avoiding another time sink | 13:51 |
| - mtm- (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:03 | |
| minute | josch: what exactly was the fix for stardew valley? i've noticed that nowadays i can't get shadowrun hong kong to work at all, i.e. it quits without an error after a while of loading | 14:06 |
| minute | ah, found your thread @ github | 14:06 |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~XYZ@78-80-25-204.customers.tmcz.cz) | 14:08 | |
| - buckket (QUIT: Quit: buckket) (~buckket@vps.buckket.org) | 14:08 | |
| minute | ah, libssl | 14:09 |
| + buckket (~buckket@vps.buckket.org) | 14:09 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 14:11 | |
| + blast007` (~blast@user/blast007) | 14:14 | |
| + swivel_ (~swivel@shells.gnugeneration.com) | 14:22 | |
| josch | minute: there were two problems. One is libssl but there is an error message that mentions libssl so that is easy to spot. | 14:25 |
| josch | minute: the other issue i had was that indeed stardew valley quit without an error at all and the problem there was, that i had the C and C++ libraries from Debian installed | 14:25 |
| josch | instead, one should use the binaries provided by box64 as the copies shipped by Debian are too new | 14:26 |
| josch | but that problem is now fixed is git as well | 14:26 |
| josch | so now i'm running SDV with the Debian supplied libraries only | 14:26 |
| pandora[m] | Anyone knows whether I can change my address on crowdfunding after I ordered? | 14:26 |
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| + bluerise_ (~bluerise@pc19f8e46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:30 | |
| Boostisbetter | pandora[m], yes you can. I had to do that with a Planet Computer Astro order that I still haven't received. | 14:32 |
| Boostisbetter | you all looking for some great tunes to listen to while working on your Reform? I would suggest Paradigma - Earmake | 14:34 |
| Boostisbetter | New Retro Wave goodness. | 14:34 |
| + patsavoura (~linx@149-210-16-215.mobile.nym.cosmote.net) | 14:36 | |
| + qbit (~qbit@h.suah.dev) | 14:36 | |
| - swivel (QUIT: Write error: Broken pipe) (~swivel@shells.gnugeneration.com) | 14:38 | |
| - bluerise (QUIT: Ping timeout: 305 seconds) (~bluerise@pc19f8e46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:40 | |
| - Ar|stote|is (QUIT: Ping timeout: 305 seconds) (~linx@149-210-16-215.mobile.nym.cosmote.net) | 14:40 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 14:41 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 14:46 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 15:41 | |
| * blast007` -> blast007 | 15:44 | |
| jfred | Suspend tends to be more important to me than video on a laptop but both are needed, haha - when you use disk encryption it's quite annoying to reboot the machine more frequently | 15:54 |
| jfred | (Probably even moreso with the Pocket Reform where you'll want to be able to pull it out of your bag quickly on the go) | 15:55 |
| + mtm- (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:09 | |
| Boostisbetter | Honeslty, i think the biggest improvement for the MNT devices would be hibernation. | 16:18 |
| Boostisbetter | I would love to see that. | 16:18 |
| + XYZ_ (~XYZ@78-80-25-204.customers.tmcz.cz) | 16:48 | |
| - mtm- (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 17:08 | |
| + mtm- (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 17:08 | |
| jfred | I admittedly haven't used hibernation for a while, maybe because it sometimes didn't play nice with disk encryption a few years back | 17:10 |
| jfred | It could be that that's been mostly resolved these days | 17:10 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 17:36 | |
| Boostisbetter | yeah it has been. On linux I can hibernate with or without encrypted drives. It is a bit cumberson and convaluted to setup, but it is possible. | 18:09 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 18:42 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 18:47 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 19:42 | |
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| Boostisbetter | out of curiosity has anyone ever had to replace their batteries becuase they had already power cycled them too much? | 20:26 |
| pandora[m] | On a normal laptop? Yes | 20:37 |
| pandora[m] | My current laptop has 400 cycles after 2 years and I guess I have to replace it in 2-3 years | 20:38 |
| Boostisbetter | I mean the Reform batteries. The 18650 cells. | 20:42 |
| Boostisbetter | But I hear ya. | 20:42 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 20:42 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 20:48 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~Thunderbi@205.185.110.104) | 21:30 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@205.185.110.104) | 21:43 | |
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| josch | theoretically, the reform batteries should survive more charging cycles than the usual laptop batteries because of them being lifepo4 chemistry and not the usual li-ion batteries that are put in laptops and smartphones | 22:10 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: yep, that is awesome. I'm just curious if anyone has seen the need to swap them out because they have cycled them too much and the loss of capacity is obvious. | 22:30 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, thank you once again for your help getting my custom kernel out. It works great, and I love this thing! I have been using the heck out of my Reform the last few days, and just love this thing. | 22:39 |
| josch | wow, i'm happy to hear that! :) | 22:39 |
| - mtm- (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 22:41 | |
| + mtm- (~mtm@71.228.84.213) | 22:41 | |
| Boostisbetter | josch, you're my hero man. I wonder if you would be willing to do a review about your Reform use case. I think it would very interesting and would help to sell a lot more MNT products. Hahaha. No pressue! | 22:42 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, you're my hero man. I wonder if you would be willing to do a review about your Reform use case. I think it would very interesting and would help to sell a lot more MNT products. Hahaha. No pressure! | 22:42 |
| josch | what do you mean by review? | 22:43 |
| Boostisbetter | just kind of a day in the life of Reform. How does a day look with your Reform being your sole computer. That kind of thing. | 22:43 |
| josch | i have no idea what i would write down -- it's just a normal laptop for me (minus no suspend and thus on 24/7) | 22:44 |
| josch | but other than that my life with the reform looks nearly no different from before | 22:44 |
| josch | i'm using the same programs (except i now switched from xorg to wayland and from awesomewm to swaywm) | 22:44 |
| josch | and of course i'm not playing proprietary x86_64 games anymore | 22:45 |
| Boostisbetter | good call. Sway and Wayland are great. Serious progress has been made, and at this point I feel comfortable in saying that wayland is a big improvement of xorg. | 22:45 |
| josch | oh and i don't have my /tmp mounted as tmpfs | 22:45 |
| josch | but i guess that's all? it's a normal laptop otherwise | 22:45 |
| jfred | Sway is wonderful on relatively low-spec machines like the Reform | 22:48 |
| Boostisbetter | I've found to be awesome on my Framework powerhouse as well. It just shines. | 22:48 |
| Boostisbetter | especially after you get your config file all sorted. | 22:48 |
| jfred | I think it'll be great on the Pocket Reform too, especially since on a netbook-sized display you really only want one window at a time anyway | 22:48 |
| jfred | (anyone else remember all those netbook-specialized distros back in the day?) | 22:49 |
| jfred | I loved... I think it was Ubuntu Netbook Remix? | 22:49 |
| Boostisbetter | hmm, I hear you on the display for the Pocket, but I'm looking at having at least two applicatons on the screen at once. But I love stressing my eyes. Hahaha | 22:50 |
| Booster[m] | josch Your idea of what a normal laptop is is unique to me. I think it is impressive no matter. | 22:50 |
| Booster[m] | But I guess that makes sense as well. Probably why it wasn't a big idea for the Reform to be your only computer. | 22:51 |
| josch | in what way is a normal laptop different for you? | 22:51 |
| Booster[m] | mainly the ability to run x86_64 programs with ease, the ability to virtualize and be a hypervisor, touch input, more RAM, etc. | 22:53 |
| Booster[m] | But your point is true of course. | 22:53 |
| Booster[m] | The Reform is a normal laptop. | 22:53 |
| josch | indeed, the only x86_64 stuff i'd like to run would be (wine) games. The trackball is actually far superior for me compared to touch input. I was surprised that 4 GB of ram are fine for 100% of the programs I use. In nearly the year I'm using it, I literally never ran out of RAM. | 22:56 |
| josch | About virtualization: i am running virtual machines on the reform with qemu which works at native speed given the right qemu options. | 22:56 |
| - bluerise_ (QUIT: Quit: brb) (~bluerise@pc19f8e46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 23:04 | |
| Booster[m] | That is nice but the system limitations greatly limited the type of virtualization that is possible. | 23:16 |
| Booster[m] | Like you I am continually impressed with what the reform is capable of. | 23:17 |
| Booster[m] | And I 100% agree with the trackball. Superior pointing device! | 23:17 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 23:43 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 23:48 | |
| + bluerise (~bluerise@user/bluerise) | 23:58 | |
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