| josch | Boostisbetter: you can try this out yourself by flashing a recent image to an sd-card, booting that and then trying to suspend | 00:19 |
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| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 00:37 | |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 00:43 | |
| minute | https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/pocket-reform/updates/an-interview-with-lukas-about-the-future | 00:50 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 00:55 | |
| sevan | "So you can choose from different modules, depending on your values and needs, how open you want your computer to be versus how much performance you need." <3 | 01:10 |
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| bluerise | minute: nice interview :) when's the cm4 or firefly adapter coming? | 01:55 |
| chartreuse | Well that's concerning. Was charging the laptop up while using it on my lap and did notice that it seemed quite warm. And had it suddenly cut off on me and noticed a faint smell of hot electronics. | 01:55 |
| chartreuse | Took the back off just now to disconnect the batteries just incase and noticed that the main inductor beside the "hack the planet" port is extremely hot | 01:56 |
| chartreuse | The main transistors/regulators aren't terribly hot, and nothing else feels overly hot so not sure what happened there. | 01:57 |
| minute | chartreuse: diode D5 failure | 01:58 |
| minute | chartreuse: do you have diode testing in your multimeter? | 01:58 |
| chartreuse | At a glance D5 looks fine but I'll give it a quick test | 01:58 |
| minute | cool | 01:59 |
| chartreuse | Yeah just doing that now | 01:59 |
| chartreuse | D5 has 0.3v drop one way and open the other so it looks fine | 01:59 |
| minute | open the other? | 01:59 |
| minute | ah yeah | 01:59 |
| minute | hmmmm | 01:59 |
| minute | i would remove it anyway | 02:00 |
| minute | and the mosfet left to it sometimes fails with it | 02:00 |
| minute | q...17?! | 02:00 |
| chartreuse | Left of D5 is D7 then Q17 in a 8 pin package | 02:00 |
| minute | yeah q17... the body diode is sometimes short | 02:01 |
| chartreuse | What would cause this though? Just the heat from charging while using it? | 02:01 |
| minute | if you measure through middle-of-top through middle-of-bottom pin | 02:01 |
| minute | i think d5 is underrated | 02:02 |
| minute | for the current | 02:02 |
| chartreuse | I am getting short both ways from the middle top two pins to middle bottom two | 02:02 |
| minute | ah! | 02:02 |
| chartreuse | While Q15 that looks identical has a 0.3v drop | 02:03 |
| minute | so if you check another of those Qs (7xxx something) you get no short? | 02:03 |
| minute | but like 0.4v drop? | 02:03 |
| minute | (this is all from top of head, sorry, on a phone atm) | 02:03 |
| minute | usually removing D5 and exchanging Q17 is the fix | 02:03 |
| minute | ah sorry you already looked at Q16 | 02:04 |
| minute | Q15 | 02:04 |
| - mtm- (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 02:04 | |
| minute | ok so Q17 is bust and needs replacement | 02:04 |
| chartreuse | Q15 which is also a 7850 I see a 0.16v drop from 3 to 6 and 0.3 the other direction, but Q17 the same pins give 0 both ways | 02:04 |
| minute | yep, i have seen it like 2 or 3 times | 02:05 |
| chartreuse | Should I look at getting an uprated schottky diode for D5 then as well? | 02:05 |
| minute | do you have the tools to exchange Q17? and as far as i know d5 is unnecessary | 02:06 |
| chartreuse | Does it have a body pad underneith it or is it just the 8 side pads, I might have the stuff to do it but never done anything that small | 02:06 |
| minute | it has a body pad connecting basically one half of the pins | 02:07 |
| minute | and the other half is 3 pads and 1 gate pad | 02:07 |
| chartreuse | I do have a cheap hot air station so I should be able to remove it, though will probablyt melt sysctl connector slightly | 02:07 |
| minute | if you work with hot air there it is quite easy to brown sysctl connector, so i recommend to shield it with kapton or aluminum foil | 02:07 |
| minute | ah yep | 02:08 |
| minute | i recommend to use a hotplate from underneath (like miniwares) and air from the top | 02:08 |
| chartreuse | I don't have a proper desoldering hot plate so would have to improvise there a bit most likely | 02:08 |
| minute | ok, just saying it helps to prewarm the board | 02:09 |
| chartreuse | Is there a better replacement or changes made to this transistor in the newer motherboard? Or should I just replace like for like here | 02:09 |
| minute | the mosfet is the same | 02:09 |
| minute | only d5 is eliminated | 02:09 |
| chartreuse | Will have to see if I can do this without solder paste, I think I'll be able to manage, just an unexpected digikey order and failure XD | 02:11 |
| minute | good luck! i have to sleep. i can also fix your board but it's quite the round trip. | 02:11 |
| minute | in any case i'm sorry for this! | 02:12 |
| chartreuse | Yeah I'll see what I can do, helps to save a long and expensive shipping if I can remove it here | 02:12 |
| chartreuse | No worries, and have a good sleep | 02:12 |
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| + jackhill (~jackhill@kalessin.dragonsnail.net) | 02:15 | |
| ec0 | Would anyone know where I could source a few PAT9125EL chips? (The sensor used in the reform trackball module) | 02:17 |
| minute | ec0: i would try alibaba, hkin, win source, sth like that. because from official distributors you can only buy full trays | 02:18 |
| chartreuse | At least the Si7850DP is in stock at digikey | 02:19 |
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| chartreuse | Will have to ask more about the diode stuff tomorrow then, curious why D5 can be the problem when it's just bypassing the body diode on Q15 not Q17 | 02:22 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149-210-16-215.mobile.nym.cosmote.net) | 02:22 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 02:23 | |
| ec0 | minute: thank you, I tried aliexpress with no luck but will check the others | 02:25 |
| GNUmoon | josch: sorry if I missed any reply, my connect dropped and I couldn't reconnect until today... | 02:27 |
| + klardotsh_ (~klardotsh@172.56.168.84) | 02:52 | |
| - klardotsh (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~klardotsh@172.56.168.84) | 02:52 | |
| + mtm- (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 04:10 | |
| - bluerise (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~bluerise@pc19f8f9b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 05:05 | |
| + bluerise (~bluerise@p5b0aca2a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 05:24 | |
| josch | GNUmoon: luckily this channel is logged https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2023-04-25.log.html#t10:47:19 | 05:25 |
| GNUmoon | ahhh cheers | 05:59 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 06:22 | |
| josch | Stardew Valley works on the Reform! \o/ | 06:56 |
| josch | I'll be filming my screen later today. | 06:56 |
| josch | Initial startup takes a while and loading between days takes a few seconds but normal gameplay is smooth. Audio has no hickups and only occasionally are there some frame-drops. | 06:57 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: is suspend built in the latest (v3) reform image? | 07:40 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: what do you mean by "built in"? | 07:41 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: when I first got my reform I had to setup a bunch of stuff to get it working. I suppose I just mean that the suspend script is built in. | 07:42 |
| josch | Boostisbetter: ah you mean the reform-standby script? Yes, that is automatically called by the systemd reform-tools.reform-sleep.service | 07:44 |
| Boostisbetter | So when we type systemctl suspend | 07:44 |
| Boostisbetter | This script is called? | 07:44 |
| josch | yes | 07:44 |
| josch | it has ExecStart=/usr/sbin/reform-standby suspend | 07:45 |
| Boostisbetter | Ahh OK, then I'll try that. I have my system booting off SD card and then dropping to nvme. So it'll be trivial to try the latest image out. | 07:45 |
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| Boostisbetter | josch: also nice to hear that Stardew Valley is working. I don't think I er ever played that one. | 07:58 |
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| + bgs (~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net) | 08:54 | |
| + andreas-e (~Andreas@2001:861:c4:f2f0::c64) | 09:41 | |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 10:02 | |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 10:03 | |
| * mark_ -> mjw | 10:07 | |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@145.94.190.155) | 10:09 | |
| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~MajorBisc@145.94.190.155) | 10:35 | |
| ex-parrot | evening folks | 10:40 |
| ex-parrot | excited to be upgrading my reform soon | 10:40 |
| ex-parrot | hello ec0 | 10:40 |
| ex-parrot | nice to see you here | 10:40 |
| minute | yooo | 10:44 |
| ex-parrot | now that I've ordered a new bottom acrylic for my reform I think it's time to try resin injecting the cracks in my existing one and then sticker bombing / decoupage | 10:44 |
| ex-parrot | hello minute | 10:44 |
| minute | josch: great to hear! what was the fix?? | 10:45 |
| ex-parrot | thanks for sorting out the new bottom covers in the store :) | 10:45 |
| minute | ex-parrot: sorry that took so long! | 10:45 |
| ex-parrot | it's 100% fine! | 10:45 |
| ex-parrot | I have a Reform for Slow Computing reasons and that includes buying spare parts :3 | 10:45 |
| minute | cool :3 | 10:46 |
| ex-parrot | I will send photos of my resin crack repair antics | 10:46 |
| ex-parrot | now I've found the resin injector gun thing | 10:46 |
| ec0 | hey ex-parrot o/ | 11:14 |
| ex-parrot | \o | 11:16 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 11:44 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 11:45 | |
| josch | minute: box64 comes with libc and stdc++ amd64 shared library blobs for convenience. With those it works. But with Debian I can install foreign architecture shared libraries with the package manager and those were too new for box64 as it didn't have an implementation of _dl_find_object which is used in more recent versions of libgcc_s.so.1 | 12:57 |
| josch | I took a 12 min video of the game loading, me doing some things and then exiting. Now it's encoding. I'll upload once encoding is done in 3 hours. | 12:58 |
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| + gnou_liber (~gnou_libe@223.pool85-50-3.static.orange.es) | 14:56 | |
| - XYZ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~XYZ@78-80-19-5.customers.tmcz.cz) | 15:38 | |
| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 15:39 | |
| + mtm- (~mtm@c-71-228-84-213.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:10 | |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 16:22 | |
| Booster[m] | josch: being the resident expert along with minute, I am curious if you have any idea, from a software standpoint, that my wireless connectivity would be so shooty after a apt update | 17:32 |
| Booster[m] | mainly I think something is conflicting but I don't know how to go about recitifying it. | 17:32 |
| Booster[m] | I have checked the connection of the antennas to the molex antenna thing and it is super solid. Nothing has changed there. | 17:32 |
| Booster[m] | the big thing is that mostly the signal strength is showing around 30% but sometimes when it disconnects it has 80% or higher, but then drops again and gets a 30%. | 17:36 |
| Booster[m] | just doing a test now. I am tethering via my phone. The phone is literally right on top of the acryliic, and no matter that i am not getting a signal strength higher than 31% | 17:42 |
| Booster[m] | does this kind of point to anything? | 17:42 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 18:14 | |
| minute | Booster[m]: what kind of antenna is it? molex or laird? | 18:18 |
| minute | ah, molex | 18:18 |
| + ajr (~ajr@user/ajr) | 18:19 | |
| Booster[m] | the one that came with the reform, I believe it is molex. Just looked. It is molex. | 18:26 |
| Boostisbetter | after a reboot I am at 82% on the wifi connection in my house. | 18:41 |
| Boostisbetter | but during startup I observed that NetworkManager-wait-online.service is active, but also the wifi card looked like it is send 3 requests to authenticate, instead of just one. | 18:43 |
| Boostisbetter | but during startup I observed that NetworkManager-wait-online.service is active, but also the wifi card looked like it is send 3 requests to authenticate, instead of just one. | 18:45 |
| Boostisbetter | like the terminal is saying something like w1p1s0: sent to to mac address (try 1/3) | 18:45 |
| Boostisbetter | w1p1s0: sent to to mac address (try 2/3) | 18:45 |
| Boostisbetter | w1p1s0: sent to to mac address (try 3/3) | 18:45 |
| - ajr (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (~ajr@user/ajr) | 18:48 | |
| minute | Boostisbetter: can you try booting from a fresh system image SD card and connect to the wifi from there for a while, to see if the problem persists? this will make it clear if it is a hardware or software problem | 18:49 |
| minute | Boostisbetter: latest image: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/1173/artifacts/browse/reform2-imx8mq/ | 18:49 |
| Boostisbetter | Thanks minute, I'll do that. Making dinner now though. | 18:52 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:14 | |
| josch | Booster[m]: I've not heard of a software update reducing the wifi signal strength as you describe. I mean it's theoretically possible but I guess in most cases a software update affecting your wifi will probably completely kill it instead. I have a heard time imagining how software that you have installed would be able to pull that off. | 19:32 |
| josch | I mean, all processing of the wifi signal that affects signal strength happens on the wifi card itself. Unless you have a wifi card with loadable firmware and the firmware was upgraded to a version that doesn't do the same thing anymore... | 19:33 |
| josch | In any case, I think ruling out software by trying to reproduce the problem with a vanilla setup as minute suggests would also be my first recommendation. | 19:34 |
| eery | If you can broadcast FM radio with asm on a CPU... :D | 19:35 |
| + v4rke_ (~v4rke@88.135.20.160) | 19:41 | |
| * v4rke_ -> v4rke | 19:42 | |
| Boostisbetter | could someone link me to the instructions to make a new new sd card for the reform? | 19:47 |
| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:47 | |
| + ajr (~ajr@user/ajr) | 19:47 | |
| minute | Boostisbetter: unzip the file and dd it, i.e.: dd if=reform-system-image status=progress bs=8M of=/dev/sdx (where x should be replaced with the correct drive) | 19:48 |
| Booster[m] | what is the minimum size of the card needed? | 19:49 |
| minute | around 10GB | 19:49 |
| minute | (if you unzip the image you'll see it's around 9-10GB) | 19:49 |
| minute | it's also possible to grow the filesystem later to the whole sd card | 19:50 |
| Boostisbetter | Ok, yeah, I think it is time for me to rip the band aid off, and just redo my system. The little bits of instability thanks to me wondering off the reservation are starting to add up | 20:14 |
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| + arminweigl_ (~arminweig@sourcehut/user/arminweigl) | 20:24 | |
| * arminweigl_ -> arminweigl | 20:25 | |
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| + buckket (~buckket@vps.buckket.org) | 22:09 | |
| josch | Booster[m]: I usually run this: | 22:18 |
| josch | zcat ~/Downloads/reform-rescue-system.img.gz | sudo dd of=/dev/mmcblk1 status=progress | 22:18 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 22:32 | |
| + XYZ (~XYZ@78-80-123-132.customers.tmcz.cz) | 22:37 | |
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| + gnou_liber (~gnou_libe@223.pool85-50-3.static.orange.es) | 22:44 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by mark_!~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org))) (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 23:06 | |
| * mark_ -> mjw | 23:06 | |
| + mark_ (~mjw@2001:1c06:2488:1400:4fd:39a7:74ac:7bae) | 23:07 | |
| chartreuse | minute: before I place my digikey order for a new fet, is there any other components you recommend changing? Or is this just a rare fluke | 23:13 |
| chartreuse | I also added a spare RBR3MM60ATFTR schottky diode just in case | 23:15 |
| minute | chartreuse: other components are rarely damaged. here are some logs and i should add the bit about q17 soon https://community.mnt.re/t/mnt-reform-motherboard-repair-logs/1261/3 | 23:52 |
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