| + q66_ (~q66@q66.moe) | 00:08 | |
| - Christoph_ (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~Christoph@p54bf632f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 00:11 | |
| - q66 (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~q66@q66.moe) | 00:14 | |
| - tinybronca[m] (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~tinybronc@2001:470:69fc:105::2:1af6) | 00:14 | |
| + tinybronca[m] (~tinybronc@2001:470:69fc:105::2:1af6) | 00:24 | |
| vkoskiv | Is it normal/expected for the LiFePO4 cells to get quite warm when charging? I don't have a thermal camera available, but I estimate 40°C+ by finger feel, at least. | 01:05 |
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| - mjw (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~mark@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 01:20 | |
| kfx | it's normal, but if they're that warm I might throttle back the current | 01:35 |
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| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 01:38 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 02:04 | |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 02:06 | |
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| + ggoes (~gregf@fsf/staff/ggoes) | 02:57 | |
| flowy | josch: i would be happy to swap motherboards or SOMs or both with you so that you can use the uart. i definitely don't need it | 04:04 |
| flowy | i'm in berlin | 04:05 |
| flowy | (guess i should maybe test that mine works...) | 04:06 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 04:09 | |
| - Boostisbetter (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 06:12 | |
| josch | flowy: thank you!! But minute already offered the same and he's also in Berlin and has the advantage of being the official source. ;) | 06:48 |
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| + mlarkin (~mlarkin@047-048-086-214.biz.spectrum.com) | 07:14 | |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 07:49 | |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 07:51 | |
| - Nulo (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~Nulo@user/nulo) | 08:06 | |
| + Nulo (~Nulo@user/nulo) | 08:22 | |
| ex-parrot | got my RISC-V Pi module thing | 08:37 |
| ex-parrot | for the DevTerm | 08:37 |
| ex-parrot | if anyone wants anything poked at | 08:37 |
| kfx | ex-parrot: https://i.imgur.com/B7E8wuq.png | 08:48 |
| kfx | mine apparently made it to seattle and ran out of steam? | 08:48 |
| kfx | ex-parrot: how does it run? is the provided linux install useful? | 08:53 |
| ex-parrot | sad | 08:54 |
| ex-parrot | I had a read through the supplied instructions on how they make the image and it's pretty tortured | 08:54 |
| ex-parrot | I am just writing it to an sd card now... | 08:54 |
| ex-parrot | their download site doesn't support https even :< | 08:55 |
| ex-parrot | interesting yours went DHL, mine was FedEx | 08:55 |
| ex-parrot | and arrived ten days ahead of their expected delivery date | 08:55 |
| kfx | luck of the draw | 08:59 |
| ex-parrot | yeah | 09:01 |
| ex-parrot | we've had non-stop thunderstorms for the last week even | 09:01 |
| ex-parrot | for some reason the R01 disk image is 7.2 GiB | 09:01 |
| ex-parrot | I will be able to boot this in 17 minutes | 09:03 |
| ex-parrot | when my high quality SD card finishes writing | 09:03 |
| ex-parrot | ok kfx it booted. it's Linux | 09:24 |
| ex-parrot | just need to try get Debian or something to replace the weirdo rootfs | 09:24 |
| ex-parrot | this seems like it would be a great platform to run a BSD on | 09:41 |
| kfx | if we could get a decent os on this thing it would be a great machine | 09:45 |
| ex-parrot | I'm not super sold on the keyboard on the clockworkpi | 09:45 |
| ex-parrot | would be fun to run this module in the carrier on the reform tho | 09:45 |
| ex-parrot | in a carrier* rather | 09:46 |
| ex-parrot | since I don't think there is one currently in the works for this standard | 09:46 |
| ex-parrot | "standard" | 09:46 |
| kfx | I can use the keyboard pretty effectively despite having giant stupid hands | 09:54 |
| kfx | I find I liked the devterm much more once I printed that front cover they put out a 3d file for | 09:54 |
| kfx | but it's still just a raspberry pi and requires additional patches and stuff so I haven't taken the time to build a real os for it | 09:55 |
| ex-parrot | yeah I printed that cover too | 09:55 |
| ex-parrot | makes it much easier to just chuck in bag and go bike somewhere | 09:55 |
| ex-parrot | I had a brief go at running the OpenBSD Pi3 image but of course it doesn't know how to talk to the LCD | 09:55 |
| ex-parrot | I could, and indeed will, play nethack on this | 09:56 |
| ex-parrot | I should probably get some kind of emulation or cross-compilation setup going so I can build the kernel etc | 09:58 |
| ex-parrot | kind of wonder about building some kind of leather or canvas flappy cover | 09:59 |
| ex-parrot | the bb demo runs pretty acceptably | 10:01 |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 10:12 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: I would recommend you do the upgrade rather sooner than later. Reason being that the system you are currently working on is based on Debian unstable and the older your unstable system is, the more problems you can expect wher upgrading to a current version of unstable. The reason for that is, that upgrade guarantees are only made from one stable release to the next. So you definietly | 10:28 |
| josch | should't let your current system become older than a year or so or expect problems when upgrading. You could try backing up your current system so that you don't loose anything and then follow the guide here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/issues/15#note_1601 | 10:28 |
| * wielaard -> mjw | 10:59 | |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 11:57 | |
| vkoskiv | According to Molex, the pico lock battery connectors are rated for 30 insertion cycles max. Wonder how conservative that figure is? :D | 12:02 |
| vkoskiv | I must have done more than 30 and the connectors still feel like new | 12:02 |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 12:08 | |
| sknebel | afaik the main issue with such contacts is the gold plating wearing down | 12:09 |
| sknebel | you dont see that necessarily, and it isnt an outright failure, but it'll go out of spec regarding resistance etc | 12:09 |
| sknebel | or at least they dont want to promise it stays in spec for longer | 12:10 |
| vkoskiv | A possible mod then would be to splice a more robust connector inline with the battery cables | 12:21 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: thanks I'll do that this evening once I get home from work. | 12:38 |
| Boostisbetter | I agree, I would like to have my system on the same track to make getting updates, etc. possible with breaking the system each upgrade . | 12:39 |
| flowy | josch: ah good! | 12:52 |
| Boostisbetter | josch: actually I think I have already done that script once. I suppose I need to check on which repos I am using. | 13:01 |
| flowy | oooh i just received the MNT purple standalone keyboard, anodized purple w/ white switches! loving this | 13:10 |
| flowy | can't wait to swap the pcb into my reform so that the sounds of my clicky switches will drown out the obnoxious cell phone speaker callers on the train!! | 13:11 |
| flowy | but this is extremely sexy. | 13:12 |
| flowy | minute: thanks | 13:12 |
| flowy | so glad it uses usb-c. i hate how flimsy micro usb is | 13:15 |
| flowy | it's hilarious that i have the same trouble typing quickly on it that i initially had with the reform. it becomes obvious that we train ourselves to use different keyboards contextually. like my brain switches without me knowing, when i switch between reform and a standalone kb on my desk. | 13:20 |
| flowy | probably won't take long to adjust and now there will be consistency | 13:20 |
| vkoskiv | Took me 2 days of adjusting, I type my normal full 90-100wpm on the reform now. | 13:20 |
| vkoskiv | Some people say the stagger/layout is a dealbreaker, I don't see it. | 13:21 |
| vkoskiv | I had a theory that those folks learned typing the 'proper' way, whereas I just kind of organically learned | 13:21 |
| flowy | i did find it a bit annoying at first but yeah, just adjusted over time too. | 13:21 |
| vkoskiv | The Reform is also my first daily drive system with an en-us layout, all my other keyboards are fi | 13:21 |
| vkoskiv | I quite prefer the en-us for programming. | 13:22 |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 13:22 | |
| vkoskiv | Hitting compose+"+{a,o} to get ä and ö is a bit annoying, but I think I can solve that with some custom key combo/layer. | 13:22 |
| vkoskiv | I also mostly type english anyway. | 13:22 |
| flowy | vkoskiv: what's a more ergo setup for those chars for you? | 13:23 |
| flowy | or i guess the fi keyboard just had them dedicated | 13:23 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah fi keyboard has them where en-us has ; and ' | 13:26 |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 13:30 | |
| + MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@wlan-145-94-167-33.wlan.tudelft.nl) | 13:30 | |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 13:37 | |
| flowy | i might get a second :3 | 13:39 |
| flowy | the kailh whites are as i hoped. it's not about the sound for me, as the feeling. i want this in my reform + standalone | 13:41 |
| minute | flowy: nice @ purple+white | 13:41 |
| minute | the white switches are really great yes | 13:41 |
| minute | i made a custom trackball for myself with 'em, it's also really nice | 13:41 |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 13:46 | |
| flowy | oo. | 13:48 |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 14:02 | |
| + Christoph_ (~Christoph@p54bf6140.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:06 | |
| flowy | Boostisbetter: i've been running sysimagev3 since february and have encountered maybe 1 or 2 breaking changed during apt upgrades. i don't think either were reform specific. i can't quite remember. both were easy to fix | 14:23 |
| flowy | running debian unstable does require the right mindset. i've had to adjust from being a chronic apt updater to asking myself- is now the right time to risk breakage? do i have time to do that sort of thing today? :) | 14:25 |
| flowy | i take some comfort by using the flatpak chromium. i can go for months without upgrading my debian packages, while still upgrading flatpak daily and keeping my browser up to date. | 14:26 |
| flowy | another thing i've considered is trying some form of snapshotting before apt updates. in the end i think this is more hassle than it's worth though, and just taking care to upgrade at the right time is a better approach. | 14:27 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:08 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 16:09 | |
| bkeys | Okay I have had the weekend to rest, time to get back at putting Fedora on the Reform | 16:17 |
| bkeys | josch: I cannot get my Reform to boot from SD card | 16:24 |
| bkeys | I get some error about "Begin: Running /scripts/local-block ... done." about 20 times then it goes to busy box | 16:25 |
| - frank2 (QUIT: Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) (~frank2@juicy.frank2.net) | 16:28 | |
| + frank2 (~frank2@juicy.frank2.net) | 16:28 | |
| Boostisbetter | flowy: well I'm updating the system now via apt upgrade. | 16:29 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 16:38 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 16:38 | |
| Boostisbetter | I'll you all know how it goes. I don't really feel like fixing anything but we'll see. | 16:40 |
| bkeys | minute: Do you know what that message is about? | 16:58 |
| Boostisbetter | whelp just finished restarting and everything seems to be working just fine. | 17:01 |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 17:05 | |
| Boostisbetter | very pleasantly surprised about that. Things even feel a bit snappier in Sway | 17:08 |
| Boostisbetter | how excellent | 17:08 |
| Boostisbetter | just need to see if the suspend script is still working. | 17:10 |
| Boostisbetter | and suspend worked great! Woot! | 17:32 |
| bkeys | minute, josch: I have tried with several images on the SD card; I have no clue why I keep getting that message and it failing | 18:02 |
| bkeys | I know I am set to boot from SD card because if it isn't present it will not output anything | 18:03 |
| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~MajorBisc@wlan-145-94-167-33.wlan.tudelft.nl) | 18:35 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: Okay, wow i'm happy that worked for you. :) | 18:37 |
| josch | bkeys: the message is a red herring -- you have to read further up in the log to see what's actually happening. I suspend the initrd fails to find your rootfs and then gives up and drops you to busybox. | 18:38 |
| josch | bkeys: which image did you put onto your sdcard exactly? | 18:38 |
| bkeys | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/786/artifacts/download?file_type=archive | 18:47 |
| josch | I'm currently trying out this to see if I can reproduce your problem: wget https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/793/facts/raw/reform2-imx8mq/reform-system.img.gz && gzip -cd reform-system.img.gz | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=10M status=progress | 18:49 |
| josch | bkeys: the image I linked in my last message boots fine from sd-card for me | 18:56 |
| josch | bkeys: in the context of you trying to get fedora to boot you might also be interested in this thing I started to write: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/issues/2 | 18:57 |
| josch | i'm afk now but back in about 2 hours | 18:57 |
| + mark_ (~mark@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:37 | |
| Boostisbetter | josch: Yeah for a minute I thought that I was having some issues with wi-fi but I deleted the connection and re-added it and everything is super solid network wise again. | 19:43 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by mark_!~mark@gnu.wildebeest.org))) (~mjw_@2001:1c06:2488:1400:9e5c:8eff:fe8f:a440) | 19:44 | |
| * mark_ -> mjw | 19:44 | |
| + wielaard (~mjw_@2001:1c06:2488:1400:9e5c:8eff:fe8f:a440) | 19:45 | |
| bkeys | josch: I did exactly what you said and it does the same thing | 19:52 |
| bkeys | Oh my gosh it does this no matter what | 20:04 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Quit: With every step we take, danger will follow closely) (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 20:13 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 20:14 | |
| bkeys | minute, josch: I cannot get this laptop to boot any of your images | 20:19 |
| bkeys | It keeps going to busybox | 20:19 |
| bkeys | Which doesn't make sense, the uboot is coming from the SD card which I don't modify at all | 20:19 |
| bkeys | I mean in uboot it looks like a valid root partition | 20:27 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~Thunderbi@static-198-54-135-69.cust.tzulo.com) | 20:46 | |
| Boostisbetter | it seems like updating has finally brought a build of Chromium along that isn't crashing when using the tab suspender extension. | 21:32 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: btw, I just watched a interview you did with hackster cafe, and I have to say that I'm jelly of your black hinges on your personal Reform. | 21:42 |
| Boostisbetter | haha | 21:42 |
| Boostisbetter | minute: j/k of course, but those do look nice. | 21:49 |
| kfx | Boostisbetter: https://www.armysurplusworld.com/black-out-emblem-refinisher :) | 21:50 |
| sl | where in the repo is the u-boot configuration? | 22:16 |
| kfx | it's all in https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/ except for the source for boot.scr, which I can't find | 22:19 |
| kfx | I'm not even clear that it's using boot.scr any more? | 22:19 |
| sl | thanks :) | 22:20 |
| sl | hey it's only 4.2mb of files | 22:21 |
| josch | sl: more precisely, it's here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/blob/master/include/configs/nitrogen8m_som.h | 22:23 |
| sl | thanks | 22:23 |
| josch | kfx: yes, it is. I now wrote it all up here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/issues/2 | 22:23 |
| josch | sl: the source for boot.scr is here: https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/flash-kernel/-/blob/master/bootscript/all/bootscr.uboot-generic | 22:24 |
| sl | the issues link wants a login | 22:25 |
| josch | oh no... | 22:26 |
| josch | i thought that was public | 22:26 |
| sl | i'm fully ignorant of u-boot, but i thought i'd read through some of this | 22:26 |
| sl | josch: maybe it just wants me to be signed into gitlab in general | 22:27 |
| josch | sl: i cannot confirm -- the issues link works well even on a browser profile without my login cookie | 22:27 |
| josch | same on a totally different browser -- i wonder why your browser redirects you to a login page instead | 22:28 |
| sl | "You need to sign up or sign in to continue" | 22:28 |
| sl | yeah, tried with fennec and vivaldi | 22:28 |
| josch | did you maybe copy the link wrongly? | 22:28 |
| sl | i'll check later on a real computer | 22:29 |
| sl | that was it, terminal program mangled tbe url | 22:29 |
| sl | thanks | 22:29 |
| sl | we want to build a u-boot that starts with graphics already turned on, so the u-boot menu can be manipulated without hooking up a serial cable | 22:31 |
| sl | would make alternate os stuff a lot easier | 22:31 |
| josch | yes, that would be great | 22:32 |
| josch | but it's also extremely tricky to turn on the internal display -- progress on that front has only very recently been made by cinap_lenrek who found out how to do this for plan9. | 22:33 |
| sl | yeah | 22:34 |
| josch | sl: check out the very bottom of irc logs from two days ago: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2022-06-11.log.html | 22:34 |
| sl | he wanted help with the drudgery while he works on pci and usb stuff | 22:35 |
| josch | cool! | 22:35 |
| sl | i don't anticipate being useful, personally, but i felt pretty guilty! | 22:35 |
| sl | so i'm going to read up, at least | 22:35 |
| josch | don't feel guilty -- think about the kind of hero you would be if you manage to pull this off :) | 22:37 |
| sl | well, at least i'll understand what he's complaining about | 22:41 |
| cinap_lenrek | josch: the code isnt the hard part | 23:01 |
| cinap_lenrek | but i'd need at least a couple of days to prepare a good workflow | 23:01 |
| vkoskiv | cinap_lenrek: I had a glance through the source code an I can't really understand a thing :D | 23:17 |
| vkoskiv | It clearly requires a bunch of context/domain specific knowledge | 23:18 |
| cinap_lenrek | yes. | 23:18 |
| vkoskiv | But I do know for a fact that the code is flipping a bunch of bits around to do things. | 23:18 |
| vkoskiv | C is, after all, merely a domain-specific language for manipulating computer memory. | 23:18 |
| cinap_lenrek | vkoskiv: thats what pretty much every driver does ;) | 23:18 |
| cinap_lenrek | the hardest part was trying to figure out mipi-dsi | 23:19 |
| vkoskiv | I want to dive into kernel stuff, but it's a bit overwhelming every time I try. | 23:19 |
| cinap_lenrek | sigrid had a very good document linked | 23:19 |
| cinap_lenrek | that helped me alot | 23:19 |
| vkoskiv | At least with linux stuff everything is C so I don't have that additional obfuscation to deal with | 23:19 |
| cinap_lenrek | in the end, you just feed the timing parameters in the registers | 23:19 |
| vkoskiv | And the way you figure out the params is documented somewhere | 23:20 |
| vkoskiv | Very cool work though! Excited to see u-boot video support appear. | 23:20 |
| cinap_lenrek | they'r default params | 23:20 |
| cinap_lenrek | i didnt not have access to the dsi spec | 23:20 |
| cinap_lenrek | but that nxp tutorial had the tables with all the parameters | 23:21 |
| cinap_lenrek | they'r also in the RM | 23:21 |
| vkoskiv | Which repo has the mr? | 23:21 |
| cinap_lenrek | but that document is not so helpfull trying to learn how dsi works | 23:21 |
| cinap_lenrek | IMX8MDQLQRM.pdf | 23:21 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, that's the one you get by signing up right? | 23:22 |
| cinap_lenrek | the other one from sigrid was mipi-dsi-AN13573.pdf | 23:22 |
| vkoskiv | I haven't downloaded that stuff yet. | 23:22 |
| cinap_lenrek | vkoskiv: you can find it by googling | 23:22 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, neat. | 23:22 |
| cinap_lenrek | but yeah, this also pisses me off | 23:22 |
| vkoskiv | For now I'm happy just doing tweaks to the keyboard/lpc fw, but I now also have a really good excuse to delve deeper into linux internals than before. | 23:23 |
| cinap_lenrek | oh yeah | 23:23 |
| cinap_lenrek | the lpc firmware is nice | 23:23 |
| vkoskiv | I did a little patch to the oopsie where hitting circle+1 hard-reboots the system. | 23:23 |
| vkoskiv | (I hit it a few times while messing around :D) | 23:24 |
| cinap_lenrek | hehe | 23:24 |
| cinap_lenrek | i need some help with the trackball | 23:24 |
| vkoskiv | I'm so used to esc with vim that I kept dismissing the display with that instead of the Any Key, so I was more prone to hitting 1 instead. | 23:24 |
| cinap_lenrek | i have to completely relearn how to use a mouse | 23:24 |
| cinap_lenrek | i'v used to only work on thinkpads with a trackpoint | 23:24 |
| vkoskiv | I like this trackball, it's very ergonomic to mouse around with my thumbs while keeping other fingers near the home row. | 23:25 |
| cinap_lenrek | the issue is the mouse buttons | 23:25 |
| cinap_lenrek | plan9 heavily uses 3 button mouse | 23:25 |
| vkoskiv | I used to use solely trackpoint stuff in the '00s, but it's been so long that I no longer prefer it on my work thinkpad. | 23:25 |
| cinap_lenrek | i'm thinking about ignoring the trackballs buttons and just put the mouse keys on F1,F2,F3 | 23:25 |
| kfx | all three buttons are present and accounted for | 23:26 |
| cinap_lenrek | but i'm always tempted to drive the ball with index finger | 23:26 |
| cinap_lenrek | i dont know, my thumbs dont feel precise enougth | 23:26 |
| cinap_lenrek | tho i guess thats what i have to learn | 23:26 |
| vkoskiv | I've never tried plan9. I googled around earlier to recall what made it cool. | 23:27 |
| kfx | I await my bearing-equipped trackball cup, it's gonna be great | 23:27 |
| vkoskiv | kfx: I have it. Can't compare to non-bearing, but it's very nice | 23:28 |
| vkoskiv | I know of smoother ones, but those are from the 90s - the golden age of trackballs. | 23:28 |
| cinap_lenrek | anyway, i'd like some tips how to use trackball efficiently | 23:29 |
| sigrid | I learned to trackball in drawterm pretty fast, imo it's better than a trackpoint | 23:29 |
| vkoskiv | PB150 has a rather fancy setup with a polished ball riding on synthetic ruby bearings | 23:29 |
| vkoskiv | But the 90s ones all used rotary encoders. | 23:30 |
| vkoskiv | I | 23:30 |
| vkoskiv | I'm tempted to mod my trackball with white switches to get that clickyness | 23:30 |
| vkoskiv | The PowerBook trackballs all have really nice, fluid, bouncy microswitches in there. A bit loud but satisfying. | 23:30 |
| cinap_lenrek | sigrid: nice | 23:34 |
| minute | vkoskiv: things that come to mind re: plan9: unicode, namespaces, bitmap terminals, 9p fs, cpu servers, rc shell, acme | 23:34 |
| minute | (i'm not an experienced user though) | 23:34 |
| minute | also the codebase is kind of small? | 23:34 |
| minute | linuxemu also funny | 23:35 |
| minute | snarf | 23:35 |
| minute | plumber | 23:35 |
| sigrid | catclock | 23:35 |
| minute | a lot of stuff works by passing around text | 23:35 |
| cinap_lenrek | DooM! | 23:35 |
| minute | sigrid: oh yeah | 23:35 |
| minute | it's kind of like the future of unix that never was | 23:36 |
| minute | and all that could have been! | 23:36 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: everything is mall and simple in plan9 | 23:36 |
| minute | forgot fossil | 23:37 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: fossil sucks | 23:37 |
| kfx | vkoskiv: I have considered ordering ruby bearings and modifying my stock trackball cup, but I'd screw it up | 23:37 |
| minute | lol | 23:38 |
| kfx | minute: we forgot fossil as a matter of policy | 23:38 |
| cinap_lenrek | the idea is neat but the implementation was rushed | 23:38 |
| minute | kfx: i see | 23:38 |
| cinap_lenrek | and then the authors left and everyone had to deal with constant deadlocks and data corruptions | 23:38 |
| minute | it's kind of like a snapshotting fs for backups or something? | 23:38 |
| kfx | the maintainers would fix one bug per decade and each time declare the software free of flaws | 23:38 |
| cinap_lenrek | minute: its still here | 23:38 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 23:38 | |
| cinap_lenrek | we use kenfs/cwfs fileserver | 23:39 |
| minute | ah | 23:39 |
| cinap_lenrek | it also provides snapshots | 23:39 |
| cinap_lenrek | tho theres no crash resistance (except the worm) | 23:40 |
| cinap_lenrek | the hole system was really designed for a networked environment | 23:40 |
| cinap_lenrek | where you have a big fileserver with disks and everything else uses it over the network | 23:40 |
| cinap_lenrek | but it is still usable | 23:41 |
| cinap_lenrek | anyway, programming is fun in plan9 | 23:42 |
| cinap_lenrek | everything is so light and easy and no legacy bullshit | 23:42 |
| sigrid | on my rpi4 with 1gb ram 9front's userland builds & installs in 4 minutes | 23:43 |
| sigrid | it could be faster, probably, if the fs wasn't on a usb flash drive | 23:43 |
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