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| Asmadeus | https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform/updates/the-campaign-is-live cheers :) | 10:55 |
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| mntmn | Yep! was just gonna post it here :D thanks Asmadeus | 10:56 |
| sknebel | congrats on the launch! | 11:01 |
| mntmn | thanks sknebel! | 11:03 |
| kremlin | fff | 11:05 |
| kremlin | if i hadn't just spent a bunch of money on a machine i would buy a mnt laptop | 11:05 |
| zakx | you still have 41 days to find some new money | 11:09 |
| Jookia | oh my god the leather sleeve is vegan :D | 11:14 |
| Asmadeus | How "difficult" would the assembly be? I'd be in for the fun of it (IKEA effect :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA_effect ), but worried the polishing might not be as good | 11:14 |
| Asmadeus | If it's just plugging some flat cables and screws it shouldn't change much but you never know | 11:14 |
| Asmadeus | Also just because I don't see it written, for the sake of it, what's the SSD brand going to be? might not be decided yet I guess.. :p | 11:20 |
| indefini[m] | mntmn: backed! | 11:23 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: assembling is beginner-friendly | 11:23 |
| mntmn | indefini[m]: thank you!!! | 11:24 |
| indefini[m] | :) | 11:24 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: there are multiple SSD vendor candidates, micron, samsung, transcend. we'll announce as soon as that's finally decided | 11:24 |
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| Jookia | mntmn: typo 'and or own open source firmware.' | 11:27 |
| mntmn | Jookia: thanks! | 11:28 |
| Jookia | it's bold going with passive cooling entirely | 11:28 |
| Jookia | but i'm glad to see compared to the novena's tiny heatsink and the librem's lack of one you've got a giant one | 11:29 |
| mntmn | yes, it's really chonky, and it works | 11:30 |
| Jookia | it's about the size of the librem from what i can see. :P | 11:31 |
| Jookia | i really hope that the reform grows a community around it a little better than the novena did. :D | 11:32 |
| mntmn | Jookia: maybe there will be some overlap with the novena community... maybe the novena board could fit in the reform case? never checked | 11:33 |
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| + B[] (~Thunderbi@125-239-58-43-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz) | 11:40 | |
| mietek | mntmn: congrats on the launch. | 11:41 |
| Asmadeus | One (maybe) last question, I have no idea where I will want this shipped at the end of the year.. Will you be confirming shipping addresses before sending? | 11:41 |
| mietek | Are the trackball buttons translucent now? | 11:42 |
| mietek | This seems different from the last update. | 11:42 |
| mntmn | yes, they are | 11:44 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: yes, addresses will be confirmed | 11:45 |
| Asmadeus | Cheers | 11:45 |
| mietek | mntmn: perhaps it would be good to mention this in the update. | 11:46 |
| mietek | Does this mean the trackball PCB includes LEDs now? | 11:48 |
| mntmn | yes | 11:49 |
| mntmn | :) | 11:49 |
| Jookia | mntmn: haha, that sounds like a challenge... but now that i think about it, i wonder if it would fit in a novena :D i'm very pessimistic about tech but this is basically my dream/perfect laptop. aside from the 4GB ram I think, but that's what a modular design is for. but unfortunately i'm going to pass on this simply because i promised myself i wouldn't buy more computers and instead try and ride my stuff | 11:49 |
| Jookia | until it dies, because that's the point of long-lasting tech | 11:49 |
| mntmn | 5 individually addressable ones, a fact which is not yet exploted | 11:49 |
| mntmn | Jookia: perfectly fine! | 11:50 |
| mntmn | Jookia: that's what sustainability is about ;) | 11:50 |
| srk | congrats! :) | 11:53 |
| Jookia | i do think this laptop is coming out with enough power, form factor and timing for a general audience which is great to see | 11:53 |
| Jookia | i hope you're doomed for success and end up having to support it forever >:D | 11:54 |
| srk | Jookia: maybe fitting novena into reform case? :D | 11:54 |
| Jookia | srk: yeah that's what mntmn suggested | 11:54 |
| srk | aah, didn't read the whole backlog, cool | 11:54 |
| Jookia | srk: you were talking about redoing the senoko on the novena. maybe you could steal the reform's battery controller | 11:54 |
| srk | throw links at me | 11:55 |
| Jookia | the main page https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform goes in to surprising detail about the laptop, though you'd have to check the schematics/PCB to see what's up | 11:55 |
| srk | I see it's NXP LPC11U24 Cortex-M0 MCU, /me prefers STM32 /o\ | 11:55 |
| srk | but yeah, will take a look at the schematics, mcu is only one piece of it and other components are quite important as well | 11:56 |
| srk | can it do type-c usb-pd? :) | 11:57 |
| Jookia | i don't think so. that'd be cool though :D | 11:58 |
| srk | link to reform motherboard sources is broken btw - https://source.mntmn.com/MNT/reform/src/branch/reform2-nitrogen8m/reform2-motherboard/reform2-motherboard | 11:58 |
| Asmadeus | srk: I asked about usb-pd and no, but I'll probably tinker something with this https://www.tindie.com/products/pier42/usb-c-pd-sink/ | 11:59 |
| Asmadeus | (none left so something equivalent probably, should have gotten one while it was warm ;p) | 12:00 |
| Jookia | the thing that really inspires me is that the reform is public source code/design and open hardware. so no matter what happens, it's contributing to the future and providing building blocks | 12:01 |
| srk | Asmadeus: I was looking at my senoko and its schematics the other day and realized I can roll my own with more recent components, mcu and usb-pd | 12:01 |
| Jookia | senoko 2: electric boogaloo | 12:01 |
| srk | still not sure where's the power module schematics / boards | 12:04 |
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| Jookia | i think the battery controller is on the mainboard and it plugs in | 12:05 |
| Asmadeus | https://mntre.com/reform/handbook/motherboard/attiny.html | 12:05 |
| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@46.114.34.251) | 12:06 | |
| Asmadeus | mntmn: https://mntre.com/reform/handbook/motherboard/index.html is full of dead links again~ | 12:06 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: sorry, this is for the reform1, will fix that page asap | 12:15 |
| Asmadeus | Ah. Where's the reform2 equivalent again? | 12:16 |
| + josch (~josch@fulda099.startdedicated.de) | 12:18 | |
| pinoaffe | Asmadeus: you can get really cheap usb-c pd sinks on aliexpress, about 2 bucks a pop | 12:21 |
| srk | ah, found reform2-power.sch | 12:23 |
| srk | pinoaffe: no fun in that | 12:24 |
| pinoaffe | srk: should be about as much fun as there is in the tindie product Asmadeus linked :) | 12:24 |
| srk | yeah, same issue :) | 12:25 |
| pinoaffe | but yeah, I've also been planning on designing my own usb-pd stuff, just haven't gotten around to it | 12:25 |
| srk | ++ :) | 12:26 |
| srk | epic that I can just clone and open schematics in kicad <3 | 12:27 |
| srk | big improvement compared to novena and altium :D | 12:27 |
| pinoaffe | I've got a couple of pretty decent 18650s I got from an ebike battery, want to turn it into a big usb-c-pd powerbank | 12:30 |
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| mntmn | Asmadeus: Reform 2 handbook is not yet online! | 12:52 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: sources (not for handbook) are here https://source.mntmn.com/MNT/reform | 12:52 |
| Asmadeus | Works too, thanks | 12:53 |
| josch | Does there exist a photo or rendering of the NEO2 keyboard layout? I just stumbled across the option in the dropdown menu in the crowdsupply campaign and didn't see it advertised anywhere else. | 12:54 |
| indefini[m] | josch: yeah I just did a google image search to see what it looks like | 13:29 |
| indefini[m] | mntmn: another small question about the keyboard, do you press the spacebar keys with your thumbs? | 13:30 |
| josch | indefini[m]: But that google image search will not tell me what layout was chosen for the reform. | 13:31 |
| rvense | mntmn: congratulations on the launch! will the machines be shipped from germany or from crowdsupply? | 13:31 |
| + jfred[m] (jonterracr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wxrdkumqmblmcsqm) | 13:32 | |
| indefini[m] | I think maybe the layout is the same? and just the key placement changes? | 13:32 |
| sknebel | rvense: depends on where you are. EU is shipped from Germany, US (and maybe elsewhere?) from Crowdsupply | 13:33 |
| indefini[m] | I don't get why the alt keys are between the space keys but I guess you can change that easily | 13:35 |
| josch | indefini[m]: I have been using neo2 for over a decade and the problem is, that there are not enough keys on the homerow for neo2 in the photo/rendering of the qwerty layout as seen on the crowdsupply website. So the qwerty layout cannot be used for neo2. That's why I was asking. | 13:35 |
| + darth-cheney (~darth-che@cpe-68-173-73-196.nyc.res.rr.com) | 13:37 | |
| darth-cheney | hey dudes, quick question about the reform campaign | 13:37 |
| darth-cheney | what is the pictured keyboard layout? | 13:37 |
| indefini[m] | josch: ok I see. it would be nice to have a picture for each layout | 13:38 |
| indefini[m] | darth-cheney: looks like a qwerty to me | 13:41 |
| mntmn | darth-cheney: pictured is qwerty, somewhere in between ANSI and ISO | 13:42 |
| mntmn | indefini[m]: yes, thumbing the spacebars | 13:42 |
| mntmn | josch: the Neo2 layout is not yet finalized, i think we'll feature that in an update article on the layouts | 13:42 |
| indefini[m] | ok | 13:43 |
| josch | mntmn: Awesome, thank you! | 13:43 |
| mntmn | np! | 13:45 |
| darth-cheney | word. I'm assuming it's no thang to just pop those keys on the bottom row and move them around a bit | 13:46 |
| indefini[m] | mntmn: is it easier to thumb the space keys in this configuration rather than alt space space alt (the space keys in the middle)? | 13:47 |
| mntmn | indefini[m]: yes, originally it was alt space space alt and it was not optimal, so changed it | 13:50 |
| mntmn | i hope to see a lot of modding around the keyboard. | 13:50 |
| indefini[m] | ok | 13:50 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: i have replaced the old reform website now with a new overview + link to old PDF of handbook https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-personal-computer.html | 13:58 |
| Asmadeus | mntmn: cheers, looks clear to me but it probably came from my browser history actually :D | 13:59 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: what do you mean, from your browser history? | 14:01 |
| mntmn | the old handbook? | 14:01 |
| Asmadeus | yeah the old link I had | 14:01 |
| Asmadeus | firefox wonderbar is scary | 14:01 |
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| + adjtm (~adjtm@80.red-79-150-248.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) | 14:16 | |
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| erlehmann | josch indefini[m] mntmn for reference, the home row on neo2 on my thinkpad is: shift u i a e o s n r t d y mod3 enter | 14:33 |
| erlehmann | eh | 14:33 |
| erlehmann | josch indefini[m] mntmn i correct myself, it is: mod3 u i a e o s n r t d y mod3 enter | 14:34 |
| erlehmann | josch i think it fits though? | 14:35 |
| josch | erlehmann: yes, if you shift everything to the left by one key and that destroys symmetry | 14:37 |
| josch | i'm looking at this image https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/c873/20200414-reform2d3-keyboard2_jpg_project-body.jpg there are only two keys between L and Enter while on my German Thinkpad keyboard there are three keys between L and Enter (d, y, and mod3) | 14:38 |
| + erlehmann_ (~erlehmann@46.114.33.107) | 14:40 | |
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| la_mettrie | between hyper and ctrl is the META key? | 14:41 |
| erlehmann | josch i see the problem. either you shift it and make it awkward or you are missing a key. | 14:42 |
| erlehmann | Jookia, | 14:48 |
| erlehmann | sorry | 14:48 |
| erlehmann | wrong highlight | 14:48 |
| erlehmann | josch i think i would choose mod3 mod3 u i a e o s n r t d y enter, what do you think? | 14:49 |
| josch | erlehmann: i don't think that makes sense. When I type a level-3 key with my left hand, I need the right-hand-side mod3 key to press it with my right hand | 14:50 |
| josch | (and vice-versa) | 14:50 |
| erlehmann | josch would mod3 u i a e o s n r t d y mod3 and the enter key on the lower level work? | 14:51 |
| erlehmann | i mean, i see the issue myself | 14:51 |
| erlehmann | sorry, i should have looked into it earlier, as reform1 had 2 keys less than i expected. so this time it has enough, but is shifted. | 14:52 |
| josch | erlehmann: I don't see an easy solution. I'd have to think about it. | 14:53 |
| erlehmann | josch it would also be possible to develop a custom neo2 keyboard based on this one | 14:54 |
| erlehmann | josch, imagine if in the 3rd 4th 5th row of the keyboard the leftmost keys would not have width 1,5 / 1 / 1,5 but 1 / 1,5 / 1, i think it would work | 14:55 |
| erlehmann | josch, btw according to mntmn the 2 keys on his layout left of the a are ctrl and compose | 14:56 |
| erlehmann | josch, so everyone will be in for a surprise :D | 14:56 |
| josch | erlehmann: yes, that would be an option | 14:56 |
| erlehmann | josch, the lowest row would also need to be changed so that there is no problem with the arrow keys | 14:58 |
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| mietek | mntmn: I think there’s a typo on the main campaign page: "OLED PCP" | 15:59 |
| mietek | mntmn: and "everwhere" | 16:00 |
| mntmn | wat | 16:03 |
| mntmn | ok | 16:03 |
| mietek | mntmn: it would be nice to have all PCBs the same color… | 16:08 |
| mntmn | thanks mietek | 16:08 |
| mntmn | mietek: they’ll be | 16:08 |
| mietek | ah! | 16:08 |
| erlehmann | now everyone who wanted PCP will be disappoint | 16:08 |
| mietek | The photos show black and purple PCBs | 16:08 |
| mntmn | during early COVID we used a range of different PCB providers | 16:09 |
| mietek | This may also deserve a note | 16:09 |
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| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@46.114.33.107) | 17:02 | |
| + dustyweb (~user@fsf/member/paroneayea) | 17:24 | |
| dustyweb | congrats on the launch \o/ \o/ | 17:24 |
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| + koz_ (~koz@121.99.240.58) | 17:27 | |
| mntmn | thank you dustyweb !! | 17:40 |
| elwisp | bravo! | 17:45 |
| elwisp | 999 for the diy kit | 17:45 |
| FSX | mntmn: Are you going to continue the campaign when the goal is reached? | 18:55 |
| mntmn | FSX: absolutely yes | 19:03 |
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| swivel | mntmn: are all parts of the chassis and display frame aluminum? | 19:09 |
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| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@46.114.33.107) | 19:11 | |
| mntmn | swivel: yes, except the bottom plate, which is by default acrylic (optional aluminum, but then you can't... look inside) | 19:13 |
| swivel | mntmn: neat, how does one request the aluminum back option? | 19:20 |
| mntmn | swivel: i think we won't offer it during the campaign (too complex) but as an aftermarket thing. | 19:25 |
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| mntmn | (or ask me here again in 1.5 months) | 19:25 |
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| swivel | mntmn: ok, sounds good | 19:28 |
| mntmn | swivel: we actually have a bunch of them and if not too many people ask for them... | 19:31 |
| FSX | mntmn: Awesome! | 19:43 |
| jackhill | congrats on launching, I have ordered one! Of all the things Reform has going for it, today I'm particularly excited about the batter. Thanks! | 21:08 |
| jackhill | dustyweb: I hope to put Guix System on mine. | 21:08 |
| dustyweb | jackhill: ooh yay | 21:09 |
| dustyweb | so that's at least two fo us then :) | 21:09 |
| dustyweb | of | 21:09 |
| jackhill | \o/ | 21:10 |
| mntmn | jackhill: thank you <3 | 21:20 |
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| doppler | if you order both trackball & trackpad, the case is still the same, right? i.e., you must use one or the other, not both simultaneously | 22:12 |
| rvense | yeah, i think so. i was wondering if you could replace it with some sort of compartment with a lid... | 22:15 |
| rvense | if you use an external rodent, or control the cursor from the keyboard | 22:17 |
| swivel | i similarly found it ambiguous on that front, should probably be clarified | 22:18 |
| swivel | but assume it's you get both and can only use one or the other at a time, since it'd require a completely different combined version for physical packaging | 22:19 |
| erlehmann | maybe a rotating thing like in a james bond car | 22:21 |
| doppler | swivel: right, that's what I figured, but I couldn't help but imagine how neat it might be to have both :P | 22:21 |
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| swivel | doppler: im reminded of the homer https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer | 22:22 |
| doppler | hahaha yes | 22:23 |
| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@46.114.33.107) | 22:23 | |
| doppler | this is exactly the kind of jackassery that makes me glad for the world that other people are designing laptops rather than me | 22:23 |
| doppler | I'd probably have three trackballs on the back of the display and two on the palmrest | 22:24 |
| doppler | etc. | 22:24 |
| swivel | im not really against the homer of laptops, just do it by lining the thing's edges with usb ports so everyone can make their own flavored homer | 22:24 |
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| doppler | hah | 22:25 |
| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@46.114.33.107) | 22:27 | |
| blast007 | swivel: ever heard of the Smart Book? don't think it ever made it to market, but it was a netbook, tablet, and handheld mobile device, all in one (and the netbook keyboard could also be used as a bluetooth/USB keyboard.. and you could use the tablet display as a second display for your PC..) | 22:30 |
| swivel | blast007: nope | 22:30 |
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| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@46.114.33.107) | 22:35 | |
| blast007 | the specs are not real impressive by today's standards, but it was an interesting concept at the time. | 22:35 |
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| ex-parrot | morning doppler | 22:50 |
| doppler | oh hey | 22:50 |
| doppler | now that the campaign starts half the people I know on IRC show up :P | 22:50 |
| doppler | anyway, nice to see you | 22:50 |
| ex-parrot | _b | 22:50 |
| ex-parrot | I somehow missed that there even was an IRC channel for the project! | 22:51 |
| ex-parrot | I recognise a few names here from the old Kosagi channel too | 22:52 |
| rvense | ex-parrot: o/ | 22:53 |
| ex-parrot | morning :) | 22:53 |
| + technomancy (~user@170.ip-158-69-211.net) | 22:54 | |
| ex-parrot | I want to revisit my plan to make a new bamboo plywood lid for my novena | 22:57 |
| + blast007 (~blast007@bzflag/developer/Blast) | 22:58 | |
| - erlehmann (QUIT: Quit: Just say no, then the virus can not enter your body without your consent.) (~erlehmann@46.114.33.107) | 23:39 | |
| Jookia | ex-parrot: mnt is asleep, post novena plans :P | 23:59 |
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