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| elb | I use rk3588 hdmi to give presentations a half dozen times a week and it's zero fuss | 00:51 |
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| elb | reformer: I have swaybg in my config and it works; did you remove the reform-wallpaper script, as well? | 00:52 |
| elb | does your swaybg command work from the command line? | 00:52 |
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| josch | minute: so... i applied nearly everything from sigrid's aports repository. This is tricky because some patches have multiple versions. I don't know whether it is us or sigrid who has the newer version but if there were conflicts I chose the version from sigrid's patches. Overall, these are now more than 180 patches and the build is here and might fail or succeed, lets see: | 01:53 |
| josch | https://source.mnt.re/josch/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/24893 | 01:53 |
| * ex--parrot -> ex-parrot | 01:56 | |
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| josch | okay it fails to build because of errors like these: | 02:16 |
| josch | ERROR: modpost: missing MODULE_LICENSE() in drivers/net/pcs/pcs-xpcs-nxp.o | 02:16 |
| josch | ERROR: modpost: "nxp_sja1110_sgmii_pma_config" [drivers/net/pcs/pcs-xpcs.ko] undefined! | 02:16 |
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| termos | that purple reform next looks so slick, the raw one i ordered looks like it might cut me :D is it really that raw looking irl? | 08:45 |
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| lidstah | mmmh, conflict between apparmor and ntpsec when upgrading (full-upgrade), because they both reference /etc/apparmor.d/tunables/ntpd and apparmor wants to overwrite it (apt install --fix-broken allows to finalize upgrade except for apparmor). (and hi all) | 09:03 |
| lidstah | error log here https://swarm.lidstah.info/?ee89335088a879bf#4iBFRrRa344JJ59qPLXE1kHzKDhY4d5LTwMk2SFvw1ht | 09:05 |
| lidstah | (that's the fun part of debian unstable :D) | 09:06 |
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| minute | termos: no worries, no cutting irl | 11:47 |
| minute | josch: ok, that sounds like overkill @ patches, sorry | 11:47 |
| josch | minute: the good news is that since everything is in git now, rebasing patches and resolving merge conflicts is waaaaay more comfortable now compared to before :D | 11:54 |
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| minute | josch: nice! | 12:30 |
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| * Guest4564 -> mjw | 13:31 | |
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| Esi | woman at a café just asked me about my pocket and was super interested. afterwards i noticed that she is browsing the MNT store on her laptop and has been doing that for a while. | 14:21 |
| Esi | i should start asking for % of sales ;) | 14:21 |
| + qbit (~qbit@user/qbit) | 14:22 | |
| minute | Esi: wow :D | 14:24 |
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| + rtae (~rtae@user/rtae) | 14:37 | |
| jfred | one of the other regulars at the cafe I'm at today saw me pull out my pocket reform in its holographic sleeve and was like "are you from the future?" XD | 14:50 |
| Esi | haha | 14:54 |
| minute | jfred: lmao nice | 15:10 |
| minute | i still need to find a good cafe here where i could try that | 15:11 |
| minute | when i used to live in mitte that was easier, there was st. oberholz which was a classic laptop/digital nomad cafe | 15:11 |
| jfred | it's 50/50 whether people notice the weird form-factor/shiny sleeve first or the clicky keyboard first | 15:12 |
| Esi | Minute of MNT in MItte. that has a nice ring to it. haha | 15:12 |
| jfred | though once I get the updated keyboard I'll probably put slightly quieter switches on it, it's hard to use this thing in a quiet room ^^; | 15:13 |
| rtae | I once used cherry mx greens in the office for a number of months without any coworkers murdering me | 15:14 |
| jfred | :P | 15:14 |
| rtae | in retrospect I probably shouldn't have | 15:14 |
| jfred | I once used an IBM Model M in the office for a bit | 15:14 |
| rtae | but I took it in once just to show people and after nobody seemed to mind the first day I thought maybe they really didn't | 15:14 |
| minute | lol yes, technically i still live in mitte, but mitte is huge, practically i live in tiergarten | 15:15 |
| rtae | haha | 15:15 |
| minute | jfred: i can recommend choc ambient twilight switches | 15:16 |
| minute | i personally use kailh choc sunset switches in my pocket reform, they're also really nice | 15:17 |
| minute | like, a better brown switch | 15:17 |
| minute | (we don't offer these kinds of switches as standard because they're quite expensive) | 15:18 |
| minute | and afaik not directly available from kailh | 15:18 |
| jfred | minute: yeah, I'll probably end up with choc sunset as I do like a tactile bump, just the clicky sound is a bit much depending on where I am (as satisfying as it is to me) | 15:19 |
| minute | jfred: yeah, i can recommend those def. | 15:19 |
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| + paperManu (~paperManu@modemcable065.144-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 15:49 | |
| jogu | I also put the sunsets in when I built my pocket keyboard the other day. I tested a lot (probably most choc switches available?) the other day at a specialty store and liked them the most. | 15:49 |
| jogu | The twilights were way too light for my liking | 15:50 |
| jogu | But honestly, after lubing the browns I also think they're great so given the price they're a really great option I think | 15:52 |
| minute | ah, didn't look into lubing yet | 16:01 |
| jogu | This thread from a while back had some good info, don't even need to desolder the switches! https://community.mnt.re/t/optimizing-pocket-reform-keyboard-acoustics/3847 | 16:27 |
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| josch | NetBSD 11.0_STABLE (GENERIC64) #0: Wed Oct 14 18:32:45 UTC 2026 | 18:59 |
| josch | Welcome to NetBSD! | 18:59 |
| josch | YEEES! | 18:59 |
| sigrid | hell yeah. netbsd on classic rk3588 with working nvme and wifi and I'd switch right away | 19:02 |
| josch | sooo... I have a /dev/nvme0... | 19:03 |
| josch | but i have to learn netbsd first | 19:03 |
| josch | if some of you know netbsd, feel free to shoot me a message about what you want me to try out | 19:03 |
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| bremner | josch: nice | 19:06 |
| bremner | hope to get back to pocket guix this weekend for a little bit | 19:06 |
| bremner | working wifi sounds like a step up from my current guix config ;) | 19:07 |
| * jn__ -> jn | 19:08 | |
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| minute | josch: woah woah | 19:35 |
| Esi | oh my! | 19:35 |
| josch | panic: cpu4: found cpu5 heart stopped beating and unresponsive | 19:38 |
| josch | whoops o0 | 19:38 |
| josch | minute: forum user duck managed to do it first but i'm still happy that i was able to reproduce this | 19:39 |
| josch | duck had the idea of moving the rootfs to a usb drive | 19:39 |
| minute | ah nice. iirc i did that with openbsd | 19:42 |
| minute | josch: is there an "apm" command? | 19:43 |
| josch | minute: cannot check -- system died (see above) and i cannot switch it on because pocket keyboard is in "rainbow mode" and unresponsive (are you familiar with that behaviour?) | 19:46 |
| jfred | getting guix running on my pocket w/ encrypted nvme has been a backburner goal of mine for a while, but I did switch my pocket to barebox a while back and I don't think guix supports bootspec yet | 19:53 |
| josch | jfred: a3f implemented extlinux.conf support iirc | 19:58 |
| bremner | jfred: I have that _basically_ running | 19:59 |
| bremner | modulo some minor details like enabling the frame buffer | 19:59 |
| bremner | jfred: using u-boot plus a copying hack | 20:00 |
| jfred | oh! hmm | 20:13 |
| jfred | think I need to get some more microsd cards to play around with OSes before I commit since my pocket is currently my primary personal computer | 20:15 |
| jfred | and maybe another SSD too... though dangit really should've done that before all these price spikes T_T | 20:15 |
| bremner | well. keep delaying maybe I will get around to writing up some notes :P | 20:15 |
| jfred | :P | 20:16 |
| jfred | previous discussion on the forum does make me feel like I should maybe get an SSD that supports lower power states anyway, especially if rk3588 suspend gets figured out | 20:17 |
| jfred | bremner: does your copying hack require running anything by hand after updates or were you able to automate everything? | 20:18 |
| bremner | jfred: in principle it's automated (except for a bug I need to fix) | 20:19 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 20:23 | |
| jfred | :D | 20:23 |
| bremner | there is one problem currently where it copies a symlink that already exists; current workaround is to blow away /boot/gnu/store, which is not ideal | 20:26 |
| jfred | oh, so you're doing something like building a /gnu/store tree on the boot partition with just the kernels/initrds referenced in the boot config? | 20:27 |
| marty | josch: nice work getting NetBSD to work! i will be following along with any updates you have on it. | 20:42 |
| josch | marty: unlikely that any updates will be coming from me -- my expertise is with debian and i'm not even a low-level hardware person | 20:45 |
| marty | ok | 20:46 |
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| minute | josch: rainbow mode, yes, i think i know what you mean. i guess this is a 1.0 keyboard? | 21:26 |
| - spew (QUIT: Quit: nyaa~) (~spew@user/spew) | 21:37 | |
| minute | just repaired a customer pocket reform where U7 was broken, rare | 21:59 |
| minute | 1-bit level shifter that just handles the display reset translation from 3v3 to 1v8 | 21:59 |
| - paperManu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~paperManu@modemcable065.144-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 22:02 | |
| josch | minute: yes, pocket keyboard 1.0 -- the OLED is stuck, keypresses are ignored and the backlight is mostly white with some LEDs showing what seems to be random other colors | 22:14 |
| josch | only way to get out of this as far as i found is to press the reset switch on the keyboard or to toggle the standby switch | 22:14 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@72.10.153.237) | 22:17 | |
| + paperManu_ (~paperManu@72.10.153.237) | 22:18 | |
| minute | josch: yeah crashed rp2040 | 22:20 |
| minute | josch: if you make a support ticket we can send you a replacement kbd 2.0 | 22:21 |
| josch | o0 | 22:26 |
| josch | thanks a lot but i'll just reset -- it's a super minor inconvenience when it happens :) | 22:27 |
| bremner | jfred: yeah I adapted from someone doing the same for grub | 22:27 |
| minute | josch: i never figured out why this happens. could be that replacing the crystal with the official one helps (the one we use in 2.0) or some bigger/additional caps for the rp2040 | 22:27 |
| minute | josch: but could also be that pcbway damaged some of the rp2040 subtly. a lot were damaged non-subtly and we exchanged them | 22:28 |
| minute | (they had broken gpios) | 22:28 |
| minute | (meanwhile we moved everything to jlc) | 22:28 |
| josch | minute: oh interesting! If your theory is that this is just about bad hardware, then I should instead buy the 2.0 keyboard as well as the usb-c adapter, move the keyboard 2.0 into my pocket and 3d print an enclosure to use the keyboard 1.0 and the usb-c adapter as an external keyboard | 22:40 |
| josch | resetting the keyboard 1.0 when used as a stand-alone keyboard is much easier than when it's inside the pocket -- just disconnect it from usb-c and reconnect it to fix the issue :) | 22:46 |
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