| vagrantc | i haven't looked at the official mnt repositories in quite a long time... | 00:00 |
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| vagrantc | though i only see what i presume is the most current version ... but that's a start | 00:04 |
| josch | vagrantc: what else would you like to have? | 00:05 |
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| vagrantc | josch: when using tarballs, guix likes to have stuff available for archival purposes ... with git it can fallback to softwareheritage.org ... and there's some service for tarballs as well ... but nice for that only to be a fallback and have tarballs persist indefinitely ... but that is also a lot to ask :) | 00:27 |
| vagrantc | josch: would it be wild to have branches that with the patches more-or-less like they used to be? ... just a dump of the git format-patch for each series ... obviously a bit redundant | 00:28 |
| vagrantc | josch: that is basically the simplest otpion for me to do if not done upstream... although scoping out possibilities to do things more elegantly | 00:29 |
| josch | vagrantc: if there is somebody who maintains the old way of having linux/patchesX.Y directories then i'll accept MRs doing that (these would not be used by the reform-debian-package machinery) unless minute is against doing that | 00:31 |
| vagrantc | josch: seems like it woudl be best to do in some automated way, but I could also do it on an "as-interested" basis | 00:32 |
| minute | it's ok if it doesn't confuse the hell out of people | 00:32 |
| vagrantc | heh :) | 00:32 |
| minute | like, in the readme etc it should be obvious that the kernel is not built from those patches | 00:32 |
| josch | yes vagrantc if you would be interested in maintaining this, please provide such a blurp for HACKING.md in your MR | 00:39 |
| josch | vagrantc: what can be done in an automated way is that linux/build.sh put a message in the build log if the patches in linux/patchesX.Y no longer match what it constructed itself from the git for version X.Y | 00:40 |
| josch | vagrantc: you could then have some sort of automated script parsing gitlab CI build logs for this warning message to automatically get notified when the patch stack becomes outdated | 00:41 |
| vagrantc | interestingly, i have been successfully using the 7.2.6 patches on top of 7.2.8, 7.2.9 and 7.2.10 without any changes that i recall :) | 00:42 |
| josch | vagrantc: yes, that's why the linux/build.sh script includes an automated fallback on the latest git branch that matches the current kernel version -- it doesn't require a branch for exactly the same version. It will try the nearest one. | 00:44 |
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| + AtleoS (~AtleoS@user/AtleoS) | 06:25 | |
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| vatinp | Hi all. Just ordered the Reform Next on 10th October. | 09:25 |
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| josch | \o/ | 10:42 |
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| minute | vatinp: nice! | 11:26 |
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| josch | minute: some thoughts: i dislike touchscreens (and touchpads which is why the reform next is not for me) but i recently pondered whether maybe the mnt vector could be for me because it has something the pocket does not: it looks like a regular smartphone/tablet so you could show it in situations where people would otherwise refuse you because "your device looks weird, you are probably doing something | 12:12 |
| jah | hi folks, if I install the fresh system image on my pocket reform, and then I update it with `sudo apt update` and then `sudo apt full-upgrade` I end up with a broken system, I tried that twice and here is how the pocket get stuck during boot with this running (it seems) endlessly: https://imgur.com/a/n0Ggce0 | 12:12 |
| jah | any idea waht is going on? | 12:12 |
| josch | fish" I'm thinking of things like: using it for toogoodtogo or the local cargo-bikesharing where people have to actively touch my device and swipe a thing to know that it's me. But using it for that would have one requirement: does it have an rfid reader included? | 12:12 |
| josch | jah: you probably upgraded your system without upgrading your pocket reform firmware first. Details here: https://community.mnt.re/t/important-note-about-the-new-mnt-pocket-reform-kernel-and-firmware-updates-20260819-updated/4534 | 12:13 |
| jah | josch: I'll try that, thank you! | 12:14 |
| minute | josch: yes, it could be good submarine in that sense :D rfid is a good point. it's definitely on one of the lists | 12:15 |
| minute | i also need to decide on which sensors to put in | 12:15 |
| josch | minute: nice -- i've made very good experiences with waydroid on the reform, so a lot of things can work that way | 12:17 |
| minute | josch: cool! what kinda apps did you test successfully? | 12:18 |
| josch | toogoodtogo, the app of our kita, the app of the local bikesharing, the app of the local carsharing | 12:19 |
| josch | all of those just seem to be "websites" inside an app | 12:19 |
| josch | (at least it looks like that when i look at the network traffic generated when using them) | 12:19 |
| josch | what makes this project a bit lower on my list of priorities is that then i become another reason why it's okay that daily life requires is to run operating systems which constantly phone home -- ideally i'd like to be able to say: it's not okay if i can only get updates about my child in kita by selling my soul to google or apple first | 12:21 |
| josch | "stelle heute wieder einiges fest" -- same, the screws on my acrylic bottom plate are loose and i have to fasten them again ;) | 12:26 |
| minute | josch: about the apps, thanks, cool that those work | 12:30 |
| minute | josch: no nylon on those screws yet or it doesn't help? | 12:31 |
| josch | minute: i bought the nylon screws from the shop and they were an improvement in the beginning but i open and close this thing regularly and there is barely any nylon left on them. The other problem is that half the screw holes in the body are so worn out that you can pull the screws out when you wiggle them a little bit... | 12:35 |
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| siviq | josch It will require some work, but would something like this help https://www.taisamhardware.com/en-US/p1313-tsl-725-quick-release-latch | 13:23 |
| siviq | Since you've been opening the system frequently, screws are always going to deteriorate with time. Similar latches are used in servers and storage, as they provide quick access for repairs and inspection. | 13:25 |
| jah | josch: thank you, that was it! now it is rocking perfectly | 13:28 |
| minute | someone could make an alternative bottom plate that has like a steel frame and a latched inner part yeah | 13:35 |
| minute | or pneumatics like on the novena :D | 13:36 |
| siviq | Getting steam-punk vibes now. :) | 13:39 |
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| josch | jah: ah that makes me happy, thank you for confirming that things worked out for you! Sorry for the mess this caused | 14:31 |
| josch | minute: or *magnets* :D | 14:32 |
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| minute | josch: right, magnets are of course much easier | 14:58 |
| minute | dear kde/qt6 experts! i just installed the new kdenlive on my debian unstable desktop (upgraded), and it has a splash screen with a significant amount of whitespace where i think should be a picture, a logo? | 14:59 |
| minute | once again i wonder which qml6 module or whatever is missing | 15:00 |
| minute | also it upgraded very many libkf6* and qml6* things so it's hard to fathom that there's still something missing | 15:00 |
| minute | > qrc:/qt/qml/org/kde/kdenlive/Splash.qml:199:13: QML Image: Error decoding: qrc:/pics/splash-background.webp: Unsupported image format | 15:07 |
| minute | aha, i needed to install qt6-image-formats-plugins | 15:10 |
| minute | so that's a missing dependency then in debian? also something was needed to display icons, something something svg | 15:10 |
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| jfred | josch: Good point re: Vector being potentially more acceptable to pull out for things like that (though I wish it weren't so!) | 16:07 |
| minute | made a quick video showing the performance of 8550 reform next https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fM8e0roZGU | 16:11 |
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| josch | jfred: hate the game not the player :/ | 16:16 |
| jfred | I just went to a concert recently where the *only* way to get tickets was via mobile app. I ended up bringing along a Google-blessed Android device after I got locked out for being a bot a couple times running the app through Waydroid | 16:17 |
| josch | minute: i say bug in debian because if you install kdenlive even when you do it with Recommends switched on, qt6-image-formats-plugins will not be installed | 16:19 |
| jfred | minute: oh hell yeah, that looks very smooth | 16:19 |
| josch | i cannot say if the Depends or Recommends is missing from kdenlive or from one of its (transitive) dependencies but i guess that's what the kdenlive maintainer has to figure out | 16:19 |
| minute | hmm! | 16:20 |
| minute | thanks for checking! | 16:20 |
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| jah | josch: no worries, it was a fresh system, so there is no harm done. | 18:50 |
| jah | look, a pocket reform running turbo haskell in its natural habitat! - https://imgur.com/a/fNQd3vK | 18:50 |
| jah | congrats on all the fixes that got improve with latest kernel and firmware, thanks all | 18:51 |
| jah | and stuff that got improved* | 19:00 |
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| josch | jah: maybe there is a nest somewhere! | 19:43 |
| josch | they hatch like as small mnt vector and when they are big they become classic reforms :) | 19:44 |
| josch | minute: re MNT Reform Next with Quasar 8550 Demo: don't do this to me! I was debugging my sound system for 10 minutes until i started considering that maybe the video has no sound XD | 19:49 |
| lidstah | "josch: they hatch like as small mnt vector and when they are big they become classic reforms :)" << what, my classic reform is just an adult pocket reform? but... but... will it continue to grow? will it be rackable in some years? does it grow more cores when aging? | 20:40 |
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| josch | lidstah: just check your pokedex for the possible evolutions :) | 22:27 |
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| minute | josch: oh sorry @ sound | 23:08 |
| josch | lets blame "audio on linux" XD | 23:09 |
| minute | always works | 23:10 |
| josch | as mentioned recently, this works well for my bluetooth headphones: pactl load-module module-switch-on-connect | 23:11 |
| josch | i can make sure that the module is loaded by running: pactl list short modules | grep switch | 23:11 |
| josch | which means i can also find out that at some point the module seems to die because it's no longer listed and i have to load it again... sigh... | 23:12 |
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| josch | minute: is this your kdenlive issue? https://mister-muffin.de/p/-rM8.png | 23:18 |
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| lidstah | (josch: bit late but thanks for the laugh :)) | 23:27 |
| josch | :) | 23:27 |
| lidstah | will probably add around 5 games to the mnt reform games list next month, not much time to play right now. just finished a project management lesson (or course?), finalizing the technical parts (I want the students to use project management methods to do an actual - small - project. Some kubernetes, a bit of reverse proxying, a cup of firewalling, a pinch of bgp, and a grain of replicated | 23:37 |
| lidstah | databases. project management software hosted on my homelab so I'll be able to see how each groups project evolves and manage their sprints - the nice part is that it's linked to a firewalling lesson and a kubernetes one :p) - and I've some work ongoing with clients too. | 23:37 |
| josch | i'm still playing factorio space age on my rk3588 classic reform. I just managed to build my first space platform on Nauvis. -- I read today that it runs on freebsd as well o0 | 23:40 |
| lidstah | (I'm not fond of "project management", but it's a needed pain to manage big projects - so I try to "gamify" it a bit with a good bunch of technical tasks) | 23:40 |
| lidstah | oh great for factorio | 23:41 |
| lidstah | I still resist getting it, because social life xD | 23:41 |
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| loon | factorio working well gives me hope that rimworld will (speaking of time vortexes) | 23:42 |
| lidstah | still running well on the rk3588? or is there a factory (?) size where it's less playable? | 23:42 |
| lidstah | loon: rimworld is on my "to test" list | 23:43 |
| josch | lidstah: i'll keep you updated how many planets i can visit before it drops below 60 fps :) | 23:43 |
| lidstah | :) | 23:43 |
| lidstah | right now I'm "playing" with openproject (which is less painful than this absolute eldritch horror called jira, to be honest), it checks all the checkboxes of what they'll need | 23:47 |
| lidstah | (having to cope with atlassian tools at work. I hated them already before they added "AI" to the insult) | 23:49 |
| lidstah | (and how much do they want you to use their "AI"… dark patterns everywhere even for simple tasks) | 23:50 |
| loon | making students use jira should be grounds for dismissal | 23:51 |
| lidstah | loon: that's why I won't torture them with it :) - openproject does the job while staying reasonably easy to grasp. | 23:54 |
| lidstah | at first I looked at Redmine (does the job but the UI is… well, dated) and then Taiga (does also the job but it's a bit heavier to properly host than openproject, a bit more moving parts), settled on openproject as it's a good compromise between the dated look of redmine (which might be rebarbative for them) and the nice UI of taiga. | 23:56 |
| loon | til rebarbative, I shall have to incorporate it into my vocabulary | 23:58 |
| lidstah | oh, not sure it's proper english - it's quite used in French, and I recall it being used sometimes in english | 23:59 |
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