2026-10-07.log

- AnimaInvicta (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~AnimaInvi@88-169-191-86.subs.proxad.net)00:14
- stephano (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 4.10.1) (~stephano@71.238.14.13)00:38
- riabenko (QUIT: Quit: riabenko) (~riabenko@lab.riabenko.com)01:09
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+ simba (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-71.dynamic.mnet-online.de)03:49
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+ LNSY (~LNSY@98.147.157.153)04:11
LNSYForgive me hackers, for I have sinned. I have scraped your website with a LLM. In my defense: I am lazy and ADD, and I gave my LLM sudo. Anyway, my IP address is 98.147.157.15304:13
+ simba (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-71.dynamic.mnet-online.de)04:25
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+ LNSY (~LNSY@98.147.157.153)04:34
LNSYHeyo, sorry, I scraped the website with my LLM again and got blocked. My ip address is 98.147.157.153.04:37
- paperManu (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~paperManu@79.127.134.29)04:39
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+ simba (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-71.dynamic.mnet-online.de)05:13
kfx...does that person think the block should be lifted?  or is this a note to upgrade that ip to "permablock"05:17
^alexreal tired of people justifying this shit with appeals to ADHD05:18
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joschAgreed. On the other hand, talking about people diverging from what is considered the norm, a friend of mine has severely impaired vision and I must admit that I found myself giving them my blessing to use big-tech LLMs in all kinds of situations of their daily lives because so many parts of our world just suuuuuck for people who cannot see. :/06:17
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+ dd88 (~dd88@2601:646:8683:7820:e422:58ee:30dc:fe8e)06:42
+ riabenko (~riabenko@lab.riabenko.com)07:01
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- riabenko (QUIT: Quit: riabenko) (~riabenko@2a01:d0:333::831)09:26
+ simba (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-71.dynamic.mnet-online.de)09:49
- lidstah (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~lidstah@gateway/tor-sasl/lidstah)10:11
jahyeah I'm autistic and LLMs are helping me significantly to communicate and understand what other people means (especially when the is irony at play)10:14
jahI try not to rely on them too much but they are of immense value in some difficult situations10:14
+ lidstah (~lidstah@gateway/tor-sasl/lidstah)10:15
jahI'm not sure this is an excuse not to read a website though, but I don't feel like I can judge them10:16
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+ amk (~amk@user/amk)10:17
+ riabenko (~riabenko@2a01:d0:333::831)10:22
- Kooda (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 4.4.4) (~kooda@natsu.upyum.com)10:39
+ Kooda (~kooda@natsu.upyum.com)10:43
- simba (QUIT: Ping timeout: 253 seconds) (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-71.dynamic.mnet-online.de)10:56
bremnerpretty sure LNSY is/was a troll11:02
joschHard to say -- all we read is text in an online chat. Near impossible to see the real person behind that text.11:04
+ simba (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-71.dynamic.mnet-online.de)11:10
minutebremner: lnsy is not a troll11:12
bremnerOK11:12
minutefwiw if people come here with unblock requests, please tell them it's no longer necessary11:13
minutebecause the blocks are auto-lifting after 3600 seconds11:14
minute(1 hour)11:14
minuteso they just have to try again after 1 hour.11:14
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+ simba (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-71.dynamic.mnet-online.de)11:43
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+ paperManu (~paperManu@104.163.168.122)13:12
grimmwarePeople need to learn how to scrape better because it is not hard to do it performantly and quietly.13:17
+ simba (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-124.dynamic.mnet-online.de)13:26
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- riabenko (QUIT: Quit: riabenko) (~riabenko@2a01:d0:333::831)14:08
orvaBut how else would the poor scraping companies extract money from the infinite AI-funds14:13
orvaIf they do it efficiently, they can't keep extracting money over and over again14:13
orvaThey have funny racket. Running those networks is illegal (at least in the way they do it), thus buying the services is illegal and still no one is willing to put together "who has the money to buy the service" + "who needs the data"14:19
- paperManu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 242 seconds) (~paperManu@104.163.168.122)14:34
+ aperezdc (~aperezdc@2a03:6000:6e61:633::43)14:45
+ paperManu (~paperManu@modemcable065.144-200-24.mc.videotron.ca)14:48
ianthetechieYeah I don’t get it either. Google and other crawlers aren’t disruptive at all. It’s easy to not do it a stupid way honestly b14:58
+ riabenko (~riabenko@2a01:d0:333::831)15:04
joschbefore google replaced their search results with "ai" responses there was also something they gave back to the websites they crawled: they made them findable and thus increased the number of potential visitors. With llm crawlers the opposite is the case. The user will *not* visit the website the information is from anymore.15:08
orvaExactly. IIRC google has explicitly mentioned that their end-goal is to remove links from search results and only provide "curated data"15:11
orvaVery handy for them, removes need to distribute ad-revenue to site owners15:11
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- _justin_kelly4 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 266 seconds) (~justinkel@user/justin-kelly/x-6011154)15:37
gordon1omg kicad pinswap is a game changer for keyboard design16:18
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gordon1ACTION loves board routing16:37
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minutegordon1: pinswap?19:09
minutei just got an intel a750 gpu working on the qcs855019:10
gordon1minute: select two pads of rp2040 in the pcb editor, right click -> swap pad nets, then tools -> Update Schematics from PCB, voila 19:10
gordon1minute: https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/work_items/1950 20 years in making!19:11
minutegordon1: ah neat19:31
+ fizzo (~fizzo@81.56.178.209)20:07
mhoyeminute: before I finish this keyboard order, a question: I see that there are pocket reform keyboard PCBs in stock, but there's no full-size reform keyboard PCBs available, is that correct?20:14
+ stephano (~stephano@71.238.14.13)20:17
minutemhoye: there are assembled full-size keyboard PCBAs here, but i don't know about the up-to-date stock of the case (colors)20:46
minutemhoye: are you looking for PCBA+switches or with case?20:46
mhoyeAIUI they're drop in replacements, and I know I can order the keyboards with keys but without case. I was wondering if I could order just the PCB without case or keyswitches. 20:52
+ svp (~svp@host-79-57-105-252.business.telecomitalia.it)21:27
minutejosch: i'll need to ship a bunch of extra binary firmware for qcs8550, that will go in /usr/lib/firmware/qcs8550. any opinions on which package they should go in?22:16
minutemhoye: yes, it's not an option in the shop yet, but you can use "other issue with order" here after ordering and ask for "no switches soldered" in the keyboard, and we can refund you 30 eur https://support.mnt.re/#order/mnt22:19
minutemhoye: (and select the "no case" option)22:19
joschminute: probably into firmware-qcom-soc22:23
minutejosch: like, as a patch in reform-debian-packages?22:30
joschit would be best to do it in a way which allows the work to be upstreamed or otherwise we have to carry the patch forever22:32
joschfor example, is the firmware in https://gitlab.com/kernel-firmware/linux-firmware already?22:32
minutejosch: no it isn't22:32
- cli (QUIT: Ping timeout: 243 seconds) (~m-vsauiy@user/cli)22:32
minutejosch: otherwise i wouldn't need to package it22:32
mhoyeminute: amazing, thank you22:32
joschdoes it belong there or does it belong into https://github.com/linux-msm/hexagon-dsp-binaries/ ?22:33
minutejosch: i don't think it can be upstreamed, at least not yet, as i just copied it from a... place22:33
joschaha :)22:33
minutewell, actually parts of it i actually created from source, but that belongs in some alsa package22:34
joschyou could hack it into reform-system-image for the time being without any packaging22:34
joschbecause new systems will not need to upgrade a package to run on qcs platforms but are always installed from sd-card system images22:34
joschand then at some later point after things are upstreamed the paths are provided by an actual package22:35
+ cli (~m-vsauiy@user/cli)22:35
joschor you could let reform-tools ship it as a patch in reform-debian-packages22:35
minutejosch: if i hack it into reform-system-image, i can't update the firmware if there should be a newer "release"22:35
joschcorrect22:35
minutei looked at hexagon-dsp-binaries, i won't need to ship such stuff22:36
minutei probably need to ship a custom adsp.mbn and adsp_dtb.mbn22:36
minutebut i can also check if one of the existing ones magically works (low chance though)22:36
joschthe existing adsp.mbn is from firmware-qcom-dsp which builds from src:hexagon-dsp-binaries which is https://github.com/linux-msm/hexagon-dsp-binaries/22:40
joschwow, that's half a gigabyte of blobs o022:41
minutejosch: ok i don't wanna mess with that, i'll just package my /usr/lib/firmware/qcom/qcs8550 binaries in a reform-tools branch?22:48
joschsure!22:49
minutejosch: there isn't only one asdp.mbn btw22:49
minutejosch: there's one for each device i think22:49
joschyes hexagon-dsp-binaries has 17 of them22:49
joschi'd then put the reform-tools branch into reform-debian-packages22:50
joschif it would get merged into master i'd have to filter it out before packaging it for Debian or otherwise the package would become non-free22:51
minuteoh, that repo reminded me of Advantech SOM-682022:52
minutejosch: yeah, that was my concern22:52
joschanother option would be to create a temporary binary package outside of the existing packages but built by reform-debian-packages22:53
joschin the same way that we used to build fonts-iosevka (also non-free)22:53
minutejosch: reform-firmware or something?22:53
joschsure, i think the name would be up to you22:54
joschfor fonts-iosevka, it was simply hacked together by writing out a DEBIAN/control inside the directory with the files that were supposed to get shipped and then calling dpkg-deb --root-owner-group --build on that directory22:57
joschif you want to go that route, put it into build_custom.sh in reform-debian-packages22:59
joschhere is an old version of that shell script for how it could look like: https://source.mnt.re/josch/reform-debian-packages/-/blob/c9d1aab9e1d2bf5a4d31b7b300d091a6f60f5915/build_custom.sh22:59
minutejosch: thanks, that looks workable!23:01
- paperManu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 253 seconds) (~paperManu@modemcable065.144-200-24.mc.videotron.ca)23:06
minutenice, sleep/resume works on the qcs855023:11
joschwow23:12
minuteyeah :023:12
minutei'm currently cleaning up the .dts and trying to reduce reform-hw-setup hacks as much as possible...23:13
minuteone ugly thing is > gpioset -t0 -c 0 4=0; gpioset -t0 -c 0 5=1; echo host > /sys/kernel/debug/usb/a600000.usb/mode; sleep 0.5; gpioset -t0 -c 0 4=1;23:14
joschTIL pactl load-module module-switch-on-connect23:14
minuteoh?23:14
joschthis automatically switches all output to the new audio device you have connected23:14
joschfor example, the bluetooth headphones or speakers23:14
joschno need to go into the audio setup and switch manually each time23:15
rick_josch: oh.. i didn't know.. i also need to check/test this ^^23:19
rick_nice find23:19
+ paperManu (~paperManu@104.163.168.122)23:20
+ paperManu_ (~paperManu@104.163.168.122)23:21
minutejosch: and that works on pipewire's emulated pulseaudio?23:28
joschat least it did what i described just now23:28
minuteinteresting23:29
- simba (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-124.dynamic.mnet-online.de)23:36
joschthe interesting part is how in my old setup with sway on debian stable, my system automatically switched to bluetooth when i connected the headphones but that didn't work in gnome until i started running above command today23:37
joschand according to my shell history i never ran that command on my old system and it's not part of any config file23:37
minutehmm23:42
joschdoes it work for you out-of-the-box? i'm on debian unstable gnome on rk3588 classic reform23:43
minutei didn't know there was a working headphone switch23:43
minuteor do you mean usb?23:44
joschbluetooth23:44
minuteah. no idea r/n23:45
+ simba (~simba@ppp-212-114-181-124.dynamic.mnet-online.de)23:48

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