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| minute | svp: ah, sorry that it doesn't work, and thanks for testing... will have to dig around soon | 00:14 |
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| svp | no worries | 00:17 |
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| jah | any tips with regards to revive a pocket reform that is not charging anymore? | 10:59 |
| jah | I just tried disconnecting the batteries and reconnecting them but sadly that does not seems to be helping | 10:59 |
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| Esi | jah: i feel like i saw some discussion about that kind of stuff on the forum but i am not 100% sure | 11:05 |
| Esi | but yeah, might just be the usual disconnect and connect the batteries so maybe that wont help much in this situation | 11:06 |
| minute | jah: can you give some more details? | 11:07 |
| minute | jah: did you try this process yet? https://support.mnt.re/#devices/pocket_reform | 11:08 |
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| jah | minute: I did not try that yet, I should have gone there first, I'll try now, ty | 11:34 |
| minute | jah: (i assume you have mainboard v1, not v2?) | 11:58 |
| jah | minute: "Charger module is the problem. You need a replacement." | 11:58 |
| jah | I'm not sure I'm filling the form right now for the replacement | 11:58 |
| jah | minute: it is harmless to use it plugged with the briged pins in the meantime? | 11:59 |
| jah | (form filled, confirmation email received) | 12:00 |
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| minute | jah: yes it's harmless | 12:18 |
| minute | jah: was the charger module version 1? says R1 in the badge on the pcb | 12:18 |
| minute | jah: you can also use a powerbank in the meantime for mobile use | 12:19 |
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| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~mjw@178.230.139.243) | 12:19 | |
| jah | minute: I'm not sure where to look for the badge on the pcb, but does that picture answer your question? - https://imgur.com/a/k7SslLw | 12:30 |
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| jah | that's cool, I have an unused power bank around, time to finally put it to some use (I knew I would need it one day) | 12:31 |
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| josch | jah: the charger module is in the keyboard part of the pocket reform | 12:33 |
| jah | oh okay where I did disconnect the battery earlier, gotcha | 12:33 |
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| jah | minute: it says "CHARGER V2" on the PCB badge | 12:38 |
| jah | I replied to the support email asking for my address with this information as well | 12:42 |
| jah | thanks all for your help, much appreciated | 12:42 |
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| minute | jah: oh weird @ v2 | 13:16 |
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| minute | jah: i haven't heard of v2 failures yet | 13:17 |
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| minute | jah: can you send some closeup photos of the module as well? | 13:30 |
| minute | jah: it's also possible that one of the cells went bad | 13:31 |
| + xktr (~xktr@user/xktr) | 13:31 | |
| minute | cool, the test job succeeded yesterday https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/24541 | 13:46 |
| minute | now gonna try that kernel on pocket reform and on next (both rk3588) | 13:46 |
| minute | the fast boot speed of the non-debian kernel is kind of astonishing though. i'm making a todo to cut down the debian config more, experimentally. | 13:47 |
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| josch | i remember about 15 years ago when gentoo people showed me how they got insanely fast boot speeds of 7 to 8 seconds by compiling super optimized kernels where everything they needed was compiled in and nothing was a module | 14:29 |
| + simba (~simba@2a00:fac0:3516:6600:348d:7849:db0e:5f18) | 14:33 | |
| termos | this was top comedy back then, surprised it's still hosted somewhere: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/by-others/funroll-loops/Gentoo-is-Rice.html | 14:34 |
| orva | Kernel and root-fs in the inner lanes of spinnin rust, tweaked init configurations, builtin modules for hardware. Good times | 14:34 |
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| minute | josch: kernel 7.2.8 as built by the above job works well on my rk3588 pocket w/mb2. panel rotation is also fine now, so that must be a kernel (console) feature that's just not activated by default in the stock kernel. | 14:47 |
| minute | josch: now i just need to test on some other machines and i can merge things | 14:47 |
| + riabenko (~riabenko@2a01:d0:333::831) | 14:47 | |
| josch | yaaay \o/ | 14:50 |
| frickler | hmm ... gentoo on pocket would be a really interesting project ... if I just had more time ... sigh | 14:53 |
| josch | frickler: gordon1 is using gentoo | 14:54 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@modemcable065.144-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 14:55 | |
| gordon1 | i'm running it on classic but see no reason why it shouldn't work on pocket, also recommend using separate binhost builder | 14:55 |
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| frickler | oh, nice, do you have any notes about it? I guess the boot setup is the most interesting part? | 14:58 |
| gordon1 | frickler: not really, i mean i didn't record my notes anywhere, i just re-used the boot partition on emmc to have my kernel there and did FDE on NVME, you can easily modify /boot/exlinux/extlinux.conf to your heart's desire and u-boot is capable of interpreting it, just make sure that if you break something you would need usb console to ask u-boot to boot something else, in case of classic it | 15:01 |
| gordon1 | just means plugging charging usb-c to some other machine and using picocom, not sure how it works on pocket but should be somehow same? | 15:01 |
| gordon1 | oh wait, does pocket support panel/keyboard in u-boot so you don't need serial? | 15:01 |
| gordon1 | if that's so - it should simplify things | 15:03 |
| kfx | newer u-boot will load extlinux.conf from nvme as well; this greatly simplifies installing other distros on nvme | 15:04 |
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| frickler | thx. updating u-boot is also still on my todo list, likely I'll do that first, then | 15:07 |
| minute | funny, i was also thinking recently it might be interesting to try gentoo | 15:10 |
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| + cararemixed (~cararemix@2a03:6000:6f73:639::178) | 15:11 | |
| josch | (in contrast to Debian, gentoo has an anti-LLM policy, just saying...) | 15:24 |
| minute | yep | 15:28 |
| jah | it as also fully installable from sources IIRC | 15:40 |
| jah | minute: sure, I'll take a picture | 15:41 |
| jah | I have that thing to measure volt/amp/... if that can be useful to check the batteries | 15:41 |
| jah | multimeter that is | 15:41 |
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| orva | I started running gentoo at the start of the year for couple reasons: I wanted to see how painful life is when building everything from sources in modern desktop environment, wanted to test system without systemd and native support for arm (in case I manage to spend money on some mnt hardware in the future) | 15:43 |
| orva | So far I have liked it a lot | 15:43 |
| orva | One machine runs source-only packages (well, firefox and kernel are binary versions) and one machine runs "fully" from binary packages | 15:44 |
| orva | Fully as there is few things that I have tweaked, so those need building from source | 15:45 |
| orva | "fully"* | 15:45 |
| jah | jah: here is a picture of the module - https://imgur.com/a/ogAWDs6 | 15:46 |
| jah | minute: ^ | 15:46 |
| jah | for context I did leave it draining with the switch on for a long period of itme | 15:46 |
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| minute | jah: thank you! it doesn't have the usual failure sign of the v1 | 15:51 |
| minute | jah: did you already try what happens with the cells disconnected, but then a usb-c pd charger connected? | 15:51 |
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| jah | minute: nope, not yet. I guess I must remove the bridge and put the connector back, before trying this, right? | 15:54 |
| jah | connectors* | 15:54 |
| minute | jah: ah sorry right, i'm not sure if with current fw that can work | 15:55 |
| minute | jah: do you have a digital multimeter by any chance? | 15:55 |
| jah | minute: yes I have a digital multimeter | 15:55 |
| minute | jah: oh great, can you carefully check the voltages of the disconnected cells? on their connector | 15:55 |
| minute | on the plug i mean, it has some exposed metal | 15:56 |
| minute | just don't short the 2 together :D | 15:56 |
| jah | minute: gotcha :) will do and report back! | 15:56 |
| minute | jah: my hunch is that one of them is lower than 3.5v or so | 15:56 |
| minute | jah: recently wakest_ told me that one of their cells was slightly under the threshold and they were able to charge the cells in a different charger, but pocket wasn't able to do that | 15:57 |
| jah | minute: right I've seen a similar report in the forum | 15:57 |
| minute | so it might be possible that we can address this in firmware... by tweaking some thresholds | 15:57 |
| minute | cc plomlompom relevant support info | 15:57 |
| jah | minute: 0.48v and 2.85v | 16:00 |
| jah | minute: I should send that to plomlompom by replying with those information on the support email? | 16:01 |
| minute | jah: ok, that one cell is dead and needs replacement | 16:06 |
| minute | jah: which country are you in? | 16:06 |
| minute | jah: your charger board is ok i think | 16:06 |
| jah | minute: see your DM for the country, I did already fill the form to replace the board so please forget it for now then | 16:07 |
| jah | I guess I can find the ref for the cell and look it up in my usual online store, right? | 16:08 |
| minute | (link sent in DM) | 16:12 |
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| ntcng | i used gentoo for quite a while from around 2010 to 2016 or so, hadn't given it a though to try on my pocket reform. maybe i'll give it a go when i get my next | 20:13 |
| ntcng | the imx8mplus would be an exercise in patience without binary packages, although i suppose i probably had it running on a system of similar power way back then | 20:17 |
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| jah | I initally thought about installing gentoo when I first received my pocket as it sounded to be a great fit | 20:39 |
| jah | but I was afraid of being lost by trying to use something else than the default distrib to get started | 20:39 |
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| ntcng | yeah, and i have been wanting to get better with debian anyways, since i have it running on my home server (although i think that machine's on trixie) | 20:50 |
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| minute | suddenly super weird issue on the rk3588 next on 7.2.8 where the display updates very slowly. the underlying rendering is still ok i think but the display updates with like 10-15fps | 21:57 |
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| minute | this is even on the console, so maybe something eDP related... will have to investigate more tomorrow | 22:00 |
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