2026-09-26.log

loonhunter2 is sadly not real00:00
kfxloon: my root password is 'woops, mispaste!'.  it saves time00:01
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joschloon: what do you mean? it only shows up as ****** over here00:44
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chirc clients should really do better than just *******00:58
chjosch: https://jonworth.eu/the-film-of-the-longest-train-journey-in-the-eu/ had to think about your portugal travels01:01
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joschch: we misset jon by one day because of the delays with his first train but my wife had it planned so that if everything would've worked we would've taken his trains from lisboa to the south in portugal :D01:28
joschwe traveled with two sets of t-shirts: one set was the #crossborderrail shirts from jon's merch shop and the other set was two MNT shirts :D01:30
chheh01:37
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Esijust did a apt upgrade on the pocket and now this shows up after each reboot. i am confused. haha https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cnYvQcTj/mynd.png11:44
Esianyone getting this also?11:44
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minuteEsi: ah this is a new gnome version12:55
minuteEsi: i would just click Add12:55
minuteit's their way of telling you that new shortcuts have been introduced and you can add them12:56
minutelooks like clipboard history stuff to me12:56
minutehmm actually it might be more complicated Esi https://discourse.gnome.org/t/issue-with-global-shortcuts-setup-popup-in-gnome-48/2794613:00
minutethis is an older thread, reads more like an application is trying to set these up13:00
minutethe popup is probably > gnome-control-center-global-shortcuts-provider13:00
minuteEsi: i found these strings in a thing called "gpaste" https://github.com/Keruspe/GPaste/blob/master/po/GPaste.pot#L78613:08
minuteEsi: do you have anything gpaste-related installed?13:09
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Esiah interesting17:45
Esii seem to have gpaste-client installed but not sure what installed it17:46
Esiso there is some app or something that gets launched at startup triggering that popup. hmmm. gonna investigate17:49
joschEsi: you can look into /var/log/apt/history to find out when you installed it17:50
Esiyeah, seems to have beein installed yesterday when i did apt upgrade17:53
Esihttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sGwBU0ek/17:55
joschEsi: one nit: use "sudo apt full-upgrade" instead of "sudo apt upgrade". The former allows apt to get rid of old cruft which is needed because you are running Debian unstable, so every upgrade is potentially a "dist-upgrade"17:58
Esiseems like pastebinit got installed when i installed byobu at some point. i then removed byobu shortly afterwards. does that not automatically remove pastebinit and other dependancies17:58
Esiaah17:59
Esigood point17:59
joschi have pastebinit installed as well but i don't have anything gpaste related18:00
Esiah mb not related then18:00
joschEsi: an easy way to find out what needs gpaste is to run: apt remove --simlulate gpaste-218:00
joschit will tell you then what it would remove if gpaste-2 got removed18:01
Esiah seems to be pastebinit18:02
joschhuh? pastebinit does not depend on gpaste18:02
joschcan you show me the output of the command?18:03
Esihttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KxfxX4uF/18:07
joschthat indicates that gpaste-2 is just a Recommends of another package you have installed... one sec...18:08
joschEsi: do you have gnome-pass-search-provider installed?18:11
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Esinope18:35
joschthen i'm out of ideas about why your upgrade wanted to install gpaste-218:36
joschoh wait...18:36
joschEsi: are you sure that https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sGwBU0ek/ contains everything? There is only the Install field but no Upgrade field18:37
Esiah no i skipped that but let me check18:38
Esihttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hToFfAnh/18:41
Esimight have accidentally pasted that twice. sry18:41
joschEsi: that is a *scary* upgrade18:49
Esihaha18:50
joschEsi: on your system what is the output of this: apt-config dump | grep -i suggests18:52
EsiAPT::Install-Suggests "0";18:52
joschhrm... then i'm still out of ideas, sorry18:54
Esiyeah no worries. thanks for lending me your eyes and brain. :)18:55
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kfxEsi: josch: have you tried just running 'apt why gpaste-2'20:35
kfxit'll tell you it got pulled in via Orca20:35
kfxand orca came from using tasksel to install gnome-desktop, presumably20:35
kfxand tasksel uses gpaste-2:amd64 is selected for install because:20:35
kfxwoops wrong paste again20:36
kfxtasksel uses -o APT::Install-Recommends=true20:36
onepictminute: I love the defaults on the reform, and my partner loves them as well, it's the first time he's been able to use my machine, mainly as he's used to tiling managers.  He doesn't do well with gnome or kde21:08
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joschkfx: but gpaste-2 is a Suggests (which is why i asked about the config value) and not a Recommends of orca23:05
joschkfx: and i totally forgot about "apt why" thank you for mentioning it! :)23:06
kfxjosch: so much for reading comprehension!  I retract my comments except for the one about apt why :)23:10
Esihttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uYHnuZBw/23:10
Esioh man apt why is cool. that will be useful to know in the future23:10
Esity23:10
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joschhrm... i still don't understand why apt thought it needed to pull in a Suggests23:30
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