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| ^alex | minute, thx! | 00:22 |
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| rick_ | minute regardin the gitlab scraper stuff.. i don't like it either, but did you think about putting anubis in front of it? | 09:39 |
| josch | final nail in the coffin of why i should switch from a311d to rk3588: spend less time heating my apartment to solve anubis riddles | 10:30 |
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| gordon1 | i think we just need new internet, abandon http completely | 10:48 |
| gordon1 | you can't use it unless you use sanctioned browser nowdays anyway | 10:50 |
| ch | minute: really not important, but if the mnt webshop could use stripe or something else over paypal that'd be nicer for the payment flow... | 10:54 |
| rick_ | josch oof.. luckily its quite fast on my rk.. but yeah.. like i said i don't like it either | 11:00 |
| rick_ | yeah.. we should just switch back to irc.. oh wait XD | 11:02 |
| rick_ | but yeah a good way to get information without depending on a modern browser would be nice.. didn't try lynks in a long time tbf | 11:02 |
| minute | ch: oh? | 11:07 |
| ch | minute: like, creditcard with paypal asks to reenter all sorts of data and a mobile phone number and a billing address that doesnt show the company name, and its all a bit meh | 11:08 |
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| josch | gordon1: you are just using the wrong internet right now -- you are only supposed to use the five *real* websites, like facebook, youtube and instagram and whatnot then all problmes will go away! | 11:33 |
| josch | rick_: my a311d recently spent 30 (!) seconds to solve the proof-of-work riddle for bugs.debian.org | 11:34 |
| gordon1 | i would rather stay on irc, thank you very much | 11:34 |
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| josch | hrm... wasn't there this browser which was kept intentionally simple, like only html, css and a little bit of javascript? i don't think i'm thinking about ladybird, that one aims to be feature-complete | 11:39 |
| gordon1 | netsurf? | 11:42 |
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| gordon1 | i'm pretty sure with netsurf you can also only open three websites, the only three that are not behind cloudflare | 11:42 |
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| gordon1 | stallman.org probably would work | 11:43 |
| orva | There is also surf, it even doesn't have the net in the name! | 11:44 |
| orva | Probably signifies how much sites you can browse with it | 11:44 |
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| Esi | josch: Dillo? is that the browser you are thinking of? | 11:59 |
| josch | Ooooh dillo! Yeah, i haven't used that for a long time. I had a look again and it seems it's tied to X11, it's that old XD | 12:02 |
| ch | also wansnt maintained for a long time iirc | 12:03 |
| josch | surf is just another webkit browser, so that's a *real* browser by my standards. It can even handle gitlab and isn't really made for my slow machine. Case in point: | 12:03 |
| josch | apparmor_parser: Unable to replace "/usr/bin/surf". Out of memory | 12:03 |
| josch | stephano: I fixed up minute's latest patches and pushed a new branch to josch/linux called mnt-v7.1.10 with the latest status from reform-debian-packages | 12:07 |
| minute | ch: ah i see @ paypal, thanks for the bad-ux hint | 12:08 |
| orva | josch: Oh, didn't remember that surf was webkit one as well | 12:18 |
| Esi | Dillo are active on the fediverse at least https://fosstodon.org/@dillo | 12:20 |
| minute | josch: btw ever tried wpewebkit? iirc it was optimized for embedded chips | 12:24 |
| minute | oh how did i miss this https://gitlab.gnome.org/jbrummer/stamp | 12:39 |
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| Esi | :O | 12:45 |
| orva | I think author kind of kept it "secret", waiting to be more ready. Or that was the feeling I got some mastodon posts while back | 12:50 |
| orva | So there hasn't been much talk about it, even though it looks really nice | 12:51 |
| orva | I think source was published like few weeks ago? | 12:52 |
| Esi | is it usable yet? | 12:52 |
| orva | Haven't tested it. None of my machines currently have gtk | 12:53 |
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| chorc | every now and then I'm getting mntsc: couldn't parse response in dmesg on my pocket, is it expected? my keyboard is more flakey than before, I'm suspecting cables, could those mntsc parsing errors be related to cable issues? | 13:22 |
| chorc | (error codes I'm getting are wlen, undf, maxp) | 13:24 |
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| minute | chorc: yes, it is normal | 13:43 |
| minute | chorc: there are many retries so as long as there isn't like a fatal error, it worked. i just have this logging in there as a reminder to improve this | 13:44 |
| minute | chorc: SPI is very hard to sync up properly | 13:44 |
| minute | biggest tech regret i have was listening to people who said to switch to SPI instead of UART for the system controller/lpc back in the day. a decision that caused me endless pain | 13:45 |
| josch | minute: thank you for the tip! I'm also looking for email clients (currently using notmuch+offlineimap+alot) but nothing has stuck yet (i receive lots of email...) | 13:45 |
| Esi | tried compiling stamp on my main desktop but running into some error | 13:48 |
| Esi | "error: Namespace Adw does not contain a type called ShortcutsDialog" | 13:48 |
| Esi | meson setup tells me "Compiler for C supports arguments -Werror=parenthesis: NO " so maybe that's connected 🤔 | 13:49 |
| minute | probably not connected | 13:49 |
| minute | sounds like old libadwaita | 13:49 |
| Esi | ah yeah, that was my second thought. I am running this in a temporary fedora distrobox container with I think fedora 41. | 13:50 |
| Esi | y | 14:09 |
| Esi | (ignore that. wrong window) | 14:09 |
| minute | affirmative | 14:11 |
| chorc | minute: thank you, understood. But the general flakiness of the keyboard (sometimes it resets by watchdog, sometimes keys stuck, and the oled was frozen when I tried to reset the keyboard) - could that be because cables are getting worn somewhere? | 14:24 |
| minute | chorc: yes | 14:25 |
| minute | chorc: can you try reseating the cables on both ends? | 14:25 |
| chorc | minute: that's my plan for the weekend, atm kids hid all my screwdrivers, can't open it | 14:27 |
| chorc | also in the past cleaning trackball area helped to reduce flakiness, although I don't have data - I'll try that as well | 14:28 |
| minute | aw | 14:33 |
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| stephano | josch: sounds good. i'll have a look later today when work slows down. | 17:01 |
| stephano | josch: do you want to create a branch for 7.2.1 so I can send the MR with the patch fixes? | 17:02 |
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| josch | stephano: do you want commit access to josch/linux? Then you can create branches yourself. :) | 18:02 |
| josch | without commit access, i think the workflow would indeed be that i create the branch mnt-v7.2.1 which at that point is at tag v7.2.1 and then you create a MR against that branch | 18:03 |
| josch | minute: i'm able to reproduce the journalctl bug if i flash an old sysctl firmware and run the new kernel. But in contrast to other reports, the system never finishes booting. I now have the pocket reform sitting in the journalctl loop for 2.5 hours | 18:04 |
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| josch | stephano: the timing is good because linux 7.2.2-1~exp1 just got uploaded to Debian expearimental, so i can test your branch easily | 18:08 |
| minute | josch: ok that's super weird @ 2.5 hours | 18:28 |
| minute | josch: good that you can repro though. need to come up with some solution strategies for this | 18:29 |
| stephano | josch: oh, sure, commit access works | 18:31 |
| josch | stephano: awesome, invitation sent! | 18:33 |
| josch | while i was at it, i sent one out to minute as well | 18:33 |
| josch | if you accept, you are both repo "owners" now -- have fun! :) | 18:33 |
| josch | minute: i'll see if i get somewhere later when i have a connection via serial. I have no clue yet why journalctl is stalling on mnt-sc not being able to connect to the sysctl. hrm... | 18:34 |
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| Esi | for those interested in that stamp app. It seems to pick up my gnome accounts, as in my imap email and my nextcloud contacts. no cal it seems. I installed this on my desktop through distrobox using arch guest (stamp is available in the AUR). So yeah, haven't tested this on my pocket. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hD2xrmLr/image.png | 19:28 |
| Esi | looks like it's sort of following a similar design idea to Geary | 19:28 |
| Esi | seems to be struggling with displaying my emails though. haha | 19:29 |
| Esi | i hope this project will go further as I really like Geary but it's just a bit too limited. Want something like Geary but a bit more featurepacked and closer to evolution/thunderbird without going overboard | 19:31 |
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| loon | GUI mail clients in linux are an overlooked category, I've seen. you mostly have thunderbird or evolution with claws being the only one that isn't ginormous | 19:33 |
| loon | or kmail, but still huge | 19:35 |
| ^alex | we wish there were more gui mail clients built around notmuch | 19:35 |
| Esi | well to be honest, good desktop gui mail clients in general are starting to be quite rare given how many people just use webmail or android clients / gmail /etc | 19:35 |
| Esi | so yeah, nice to see something new popping up | 19:35 |
| Esi | now a days I use Geary but always have Thunderbird installed for more complex tasks | 19:38 |
| Esi | ^alex: are there any gui clients for notmuch? | 19:39 |
| ^alex | we use the emacs interface, so idk | 19:43 |
| bremner | Esi: I haven't used it, but astroid is one gui client for notmuch | 19:48 |
| loon | I was just reminded that claws exists and I'm giving that another go | 19:48 |
| bremner | Esi: a few others are mentioned at https://notmuchmail.org/frontends/ | 19:49 |
| bremner | well, 2 others: alot and dodo | 19:50 |
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| Esi | oh Stamp managed to load my emails. it just takes a long time doing it. and also opening an email is a bit slow. so yeah, definitely not ready for production but I am quite optimistic about this. | 20:15 |
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| rick_ | sooo since my matrix bridge died, i'm now back to good ol weechat :D | 21:03 |
| josch | bremner: huh thank you for bringing up astroid again. I was following its development when it was still young and then got scared away by "A user you’ve blocked has previously contributed to this repository." but now that i look closely it's only six insignificant commits from the machine. I'll try it out again! At least it seems actively maintained in contrast to alot. XD | 21:16 |
| bremner | I guess alot isn't really graphical either, for TUI interfaces I think aerc is also maintained. neomutt also, although the author seems moderately pro LLM | 21:27 |
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| josch | not just journalctl is timing out -- even gnome starting is extremely slow when one starts a new kernel with old sysctl firmware. At least I was able to log in via serial and have a journalctl dump now. | 22:28 |
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