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| lislegaard | hey. i just did apt update and upgrade on my pocket (still on the old firmware). and now mnt_sc is failing on boot. any tips? | 14:38 |
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| lislegaard | on the default distro | 14:38 |
| lislegaard | rk3588 | 14:38 |
| lislegaard | power supply bat0 dirver failed to report status | 14:39 |
| lislegaard | mnt_sc spi1.0 cmd failed | 14:40 |
| lislegaard | stuck in a boot loop | 14:41 |
| + simba (~simba@static-151-2-60-95.ipcom.comunitel.net) | 14:42 | |
| lislegaard | here is the boot loop: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8sh4zq6owxhbbfyfiu8aa/IMG_4264.mp4?rlkey=4obdxwbgbbf63t18covyij1pd&dl=0 | 14:44 |
| lislegaard | did a shutdown and this time it booted. but gnome reports 0% battery | 14:45 |
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| lislegaard | i'll give updating the firmware a go | 15:01 |
| josch | lislegaard: you read this before upgrading? https://community.mnt.re/t/important-note-about-the-new-mnt-pocket-reform-kernel-and-firmware-updates-20260819-updated/4534/55 | 15:03 |
| josch | errr... start with the top of the thread, not that post in particular (wrong copypaste) | 15:03 |
| lislegaard | no i just did apt update and upgrade. but i started at the top of this thread now. | 15:04 |
| josch | lislegaard: you repair your system by flashing a vanilla MNT Debian unstable system image to an sd card, boot from that and then use that to upgrade your sysctl and keyboard firmware to the latest version. Then shut down and remove the sd-card. | 15:06 |
| lislegaard | it all woks now! here is what happened: | 15:07 |
| lislegaard | i wasn't planning on updating the firmware, just "general software update". maybe this was a bad idea. anyways. i simply did sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade. | 15:09 |
| lislegaard | this caused all of this. but the system booted after a couple of reboots but reported 0% battery. i followed the thread, inluding adding the line ignore power, then did the firmware update and now everything works. | 15:09 |
| lislegaard | i think it might be a good idea to add some kind of blocker so it checks if you have the right firmware before updating packages that will not work with the old firmware? | 15:09 |
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| josch | lislegaard: your package manager does not directly control the kernel you are booting. Installing a kernel doesn't mean you are booting it. The kernel you are running is not part of the dependency system. | 15:14 |
| lislegaard | i see. i will be a bit more careful and check the forum before doing another apt upgrade i guess. | 15:15 |
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| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:25 | |
| josch | lislegaard: we have a similar problem with the bootloader. We can but should not upgrade the bootloader via apt. We go to great lengths to even support ancient imx8m+ u-boot versions which do not set $fdtfile, for example. | 15:29 |
| minute | uff nice, got SI issues under control around pocket reform displayport alt-mode... that was the last blocker for ordering a new mb2.0 batch | 15:29 |
| lislegaard | I added my experience to the firmware thread in case anyone finds it useful :) | 15:30 |
| lislegaard | happy everything is working now | 15:30 |
| minute | lislegaard: i just looked at your video, the main issue there is that the mmc0 flash coincidentally doesn't work | 15:30 |
| minute | lislegaard: this is some rk3588 (maybe driver?) bug that happens relatively rarely | 15:30 |
| minute | lislegaard: like, the emmc driver shows errors there, preventing boot | 15:31 |
| lislegaard | i see, so it was a pretty rare coincidence? | 15:32 |
| minute | josch: btw nevertheless i wonder if we could put a postinstall script in the kernel package that checks if the firmware has been updated, and paints a nice big warning if not | 15:32 |
| minute | lislegaard: yes, as far as i know. i run into it sometimes, but maybe in 1 of 100 boots? not sure about the exact frequency | 15:32 |
| josch | minute: yes, that can be done | 15:32 |
| minute | josch: btw i'll get back to merging your new kernel update process after i've rolled out the displayport stuff. i didn't want to learn a new process in the middle of shipping a complicated thing, but then after that :D | 15:33 |
| josch | minute: no problem! after you merged your displayport branch, i will integrate your changes into the linux-stable branches | 15:34 |
| minute | cool! | 15:34 |
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| minute | ok one final bug to solve... when there are 3 displays active in devicetree, displayport only works when hdmi is plugged in once m)) | 16:16 |
| minute | i.e. when DSI panel is active as well... some rk3588 display pipeline buggery | 16:16 |
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| minute | hm ok, dsi does not seem to work at all on vp0 | 16:26 |
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| minute | wow, same problem the other way around: when i have hdmi on on vp1, and (e)dp on vp0, hdmi only outputs an image after dp is plugged in once | 16:35 |
| minute | grrr... | 16:36 |
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| Esi | josch, minute: yeah when I did the apt update/upgrade couple of days ago and ran into the same/similar problems I did not expect to need to read the forums before doing an apt update/upgrade. A warning in apt would probably help a lot in this kind of situations <3 | 16:49 |
| spew | minute: I'm unable to access the source code repositories at https://source.mnt.re/reform, could you check if my ip address is blocked? | 16:57 |
| spew | or let me know if I should submit a support request instead, please | 16:58 |
| minute | spew: no problem, what's your ip address? | 17:01 |
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| minute | ok discovered that clk_hdmiphy_pixel0 isn't set until the other display is plugged in... wat | 17:02 |
| + RandyK (~RandyK@user/randyk) | 17:02 | |
| spew | minute: thanks very much, pm'd you | 17:09 |
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| josch | note here, that nearly everybody's public IPs can also be seen in the IRC logs... | 17:16 |
| josch | i've reported this problem upstream here: https://github.com/mgedmin/irclog2html/issues/37 | 17:17 |
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| minute | josch: uffff 69 hdmi patches https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20260731-dw-hdmi-qp-scramb-v10-0-294364b2cf15@collabora.com/ | 17:22 |
| josch | o0 | 17:23 |
| minute | a bunch of them have (sashiko) so yeah | 17:24 |
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| josch | that ship has long sailed, no? | 17:29 |
| minute | yes | 17:29 |
| josch | in 3 days the debian gr about llm use ends -- i can't wait to see the results... | 17:30 |
| minute | oh yeah, interesting! | 17:30 |
| minute | btw about that huge patchstack, i think we won't need it now... it will come in 7.3 anyway | 17:30 |
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| * lidstah2 -> lidstah | 18:27 | |
| lidstah | josch: let's hope the proposal A will be adopted :) (and hi everyone!) | 18:27 |
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| * lidstah2 -> lidstah | 18:37 | |
| josch | lidstah: luckily there are a bunch of options which are not terrible and better than what linux is doing :) | 18:38 |
| svp | cant wait for debian to ditch linux and go full hurd... | 18:39 |
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| josch | svp: please add arm64 to hurd, kthxbye :) | 18:40 |
| lidstah | he | 18:40 |
| svp | ight will deliver next tuesday | 18:40 |
| svp | though for the time being id rather have debian have better support for non-systemd because right now openrc is... just used for executing sysvinit scripts | 18:42 |
| lidstah | I'm wondering what is the Alpine linux view on LLM usage (with Debian, it's one of my go-to OSes) | 18:44 |
| josch | svp: i'm in close contact with the debian maintainer working on openrc in debian -- should i get you into contact? There is too much work and too little time. :) | 18:44 |
| josch | (my interest for openrc is for hurd) | 18:45 |
| svp | in any other situation id say im unfortunately busy with work, but especially these days i will be VERY busy with work. sad. | 18:45 |
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| lidstah | svp: back from holidays? (I'm literally crumbling under work, with the added fun provided daily by AI scrapers and residential proxies) | 18:47 |
| svp | best i can do is throw together a script for wpa supplicant | 18:47 |
| aloo_shu | baby don't hurd me | 18:47 |
| aloo_shu | old, I know | 18:47 |
| svp | lidstah: not exactly, harvest season | 18:48 |
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| Esi | svp: farmer? what ya growing? | 18:49 |
| lidstah | svp: oh yeah, indeed that must be a lot of intensive work | 18:50 |
| lidstah | (intensive or intense? not sure which one is the right english word) | 18:50 |
| Esi | (asking as an ex-farmer) | 18:50 |
| lidstah | it'll soon be grapevine harvest around here, although with the heatwave, not sure what the wine will be like. | 18:51 |
| svp | i make and sell wine, comes in handy when thinking about the future | 18:52 |
| svp | ...lol i wish i dont drink much because i have to drive | 18:52 |
| lidstah | svp: oh great, which country (if I'm not being indiscreet of course)? | 18:53 |
| Esi | ah | 18:54 |
| svp | lidstah: europe's boot peninsula (but i feel this is getting off topic) | 18:54 |
| Esi | I used to be a sheep farmer so I just grew hay. (grass). :P | 18:54 |
| svp | that path is looking more and more enticing by the year | 18:55 |
| Esi | indeed. Which is why I am keeping an eye on farms and other rural houses for sale :P | 18:55 |
| lidstah | svp: you do have some great wines there - and you're right, let's come back on topic :) | 18:55 |
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| * talos2 -> talos | 19:24 | |
| minute | sigh, according to ugrep my system is the only one that uses vp0, vp1 _and_ vp2 | 19:24 |
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| orva | lidstah: AFAIK Ariadne Conill left alpine project recently because their stance on LLMs does not align (and Ariadne doesn't seem to be happy about LLMs) | 19:49 |
| minute | meh, CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM=y thwarting my debugging attempts | 19:53 |
| minute | ultra frustrating time wasting activity @ trying to fix rk3588 video pipeline stuff | 19:54 |
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| josch | ACTION sends over some relaxing $beverage of choice | 20:00 |
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| minute | ok, got some food... and realized i might have made an interesting mistake, lets see | 20:15 |
| minute | ah no nvm | 20:15 |
| lidstah | orva: sorry for the late answer (was cooking for the family, homemade vietnamese phô tonight, om nom nom), quite sad news :/ | 20:33 |
| Esi | Is there any website or something out there that has an overview over various project's stance or AI usage? | 20:53 |
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| minute | vop2 register tracing yields only one difference of broken vs nonbroken display, vop2_writel 000006f0 <- 04040000 vs 000006f0 <- 04040404 | 22:02 |
| minute | hm > #define RK3568_CLUSTER_DLY_NUM0x6F0 | 22:03 |
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| minute | ok, hardcoding that doesn't fix it. buut i wonder if the whole cluster0 has to be activated | 22:12 |
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| lidstah | Esi: https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware which references various projects (OSes, softwares, etc) stance with LLM use | 22:28 |
| lidstah | Esi: and a slopfree software list: https://codeberg.org/brib/slopfree-software-index | 22:53 |
| lidstah | (I'm glad to see The Gimp there, alongside Löve2D and PowerDNS) | 22:54 |
| Esi | ah nice! thank you so much <3 | 22:54 |
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| lidstah | you're welcome, there's other links to software list using or not using AI in the first link | 22:55 |
| lidstah | I'm particularly glad to see powerdns in the slopfree list because I use it in production :') | 22:55 |
| lidstah | (does the job, postgresql backend, lua-extensible) | 22:56 |
| lidstah | (also glad to see Qemu in the list) | 22:57 |
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| cararemixed | sigh. haven't checked the backlog but is anyone else getting consistent intel wifi crashing? i seem to have to reboot to recover or switch to wired ethernet. | 23:20 |
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| minute | cararemixed: hmm nope... since when? | 23:38 |
| cararemixed | i think about a week. I brushed it off first time and don't recall which things changed. I was having issues with a different device so i assumed it was my home network but it was unrelated. I've rebooted three times today. | 23:40 |
| cararemixed | I'll save my dmesg next time it happens. | 23:41 |
| cararemixed | Mostly wanted to know if others had been seeing problems | 23:41 |
| josch | cararemixed: to make sure whether it's a hardware or a software issue, you could flash an older system image to an sd card and see if you can reproduce the problem there. If yes, then it's a hardware problem not a software problem. | 23:41 |
| cararemixed | usually see a iwlwifi crash and register dump and then a failure to recover after | 23:42 |
| minute | cararemixed: i'm using the intel wifi here for several days all day for sshing into the pocket while debugging, no wifi issues so far... | 23:42 |
| minute | cararemixed: but iirc those problems can come from bad physical connection, maybe something's up with the flex cable going to the wifi board | 23:43 |
| cararemixed | thanks. I'll check. the pocket has been stationary but its possible its only a momentary glitch. | 23:44 |
| minute | i have a todo item about making custom flex cables with better SI for the pocket (like for the next) | 23:44 |
| cararemixed | I'll take some time tomorrow to check and clean the contacts and let it run all day | 23:44 |
| minute | unrelated: huh, the dsi can work on vp3 as well... didn't try that because some firefly docs say it's limited to 1920x1080 | 23:45 |
| minute | cararemixed: cool, can also be stuff like how it's folded/twisted/not seated well or sth | 23:45 |
| cararemixed | right. I avoid frequent opening of the top cover to keep my cables just so and heat pad from deteriorating from frequent separation but it's time. | 23:47 |
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| minute | yeah! | 23:48 |
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