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| Svp | hmm... for fun i decided to check the mouser catalog, and i cant make heads or tails of the SKU numbers of the pocket reform. itd be nice to have a table somewhere... | 09:22 |
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| Svp | or well i can make SOME sense of it but a reference would still be nice | 09:25 |
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| minute | Svp: IIRC there was a decoding effort in community.mnt.re! | 15:02 |
| minute | 2 of 3 new products added to the shop, pocket mainboard 2.0 coming later (today i think): https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-keyboard-pcb-2-0 and https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-keyboard-usb-c-adapter | 15:03 |
| orva | Nice! Is full pocket reform going to be updated to those as well? | 15:25 |
| josch | minute: sooooo... if i add the pocket reform display panel i could build myself my own case-less pocket reform? That's very tempting as a stationary testbed. | 15:38 |
| josch | minute: in the past you mentioned bluetooth -- since it's not mentioned anywhere i guess that's the plan for pocket reform keyboard 3.0? | 15:38 |
| minute | orva: yes | 15:58 |
| minute | josch: yes, wireless keyboard is delayed because the freelancer ghosted me at 98% completion, will get back to it some day. instead i made the 2.0 in the meantime | 15:59 |
| minute | but also, the wireless stuff will need a bunch of software to be written + tested | 15:59 |
| minute | here we go https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-mainboard-2-0 | 16:09 |
| josch | oh wow this is *much* cheaper than the classic reform motherboard | 16:12 |
| josch | hrm... now my shopping cart totals EUR 913... i have to remove some things Xd | 16:13 |
| minute | :D | 16:13 |
| minute | yeah the classic motherboard is quite expensive to make | 16:13 |
| minute | and bigger! | 16:13 |
| josch | minute: you said that the maximum temperature of the rk3588 is somehow set by the device tree. I am able to make the CPU go up to more than 96°C according to "sudo sensors" in the Pocket Reform -- bug or feature? | 16:15 |
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| josch | ah and i found my screenshot from yesterday where in sway (this was not a vanilla system running from sd-card though but same kernel version) waybar was showing 110 °C | 16:18 |
| gordon1 | josch: it has two settings, one for throttling and another one for shutdown, first one is 85 iirc, and second one is 105, so if it reaches 85 it starts to throttle the clock, and if it reaches 105 it shuts down, you can check actual values in rk3588-base.dtsi (also i'm back) | 16:19 |
| josch | yaaay, welcome back gordon1! :) | 16:19 |
| [tj] | is it just programming a thermal sensor? | 16:20 |
| gordon1 | it's a thermal zone + cooling device | 16:20 |
| josch | yes, i see it in bigcore*_thermal in the dts | 16:20 |
| gordon1 | so handled in kernel | 16:20 |
| josch | this was working fine in the past and the cpu did not exceed 85 °C but now it easily does -- regression? | 16:21 |
| orva | minute: That is awesome! Now I just have to wonder if I am able to wait for QCS6490/QCS8550 or just go with the rk3588 right now.. | 16:21 |
| gordon1 | josch: check cooling_device in /sys - it should how how far it is trying to throttle | 16:21 |
| gordon1 | if it is not throttling means something is going wrong | 16:22 |
| gordon1 | josch: it took a while (had problems with work), but gonna order that soon https://tinystash.undef.im/il/2PWrwbANDGHcZ2G6V5qiymvSuhKU64HT2y5QmFuYi9fLg6DnvgJC4Kvor3VRLpTG2th8fzDcZX6UDXYTrgA5YHFR.png | 16:22 |
| gordon1 | s/how how/show how/ | 16:25 |
| grimmware | minute: what's the actual hardware diff on the new pocket pcb? | 16:26 |
| grimmware | sorry unclear | 16:27 |
| grimmware | what's the actual hardware diff on the new pocket keyboard pcb? | 16:27 |
| minute | orva: if it helps, qcs is at least 5 months out because of 16 weeks vendor leadtime | 16:29 |
| josch | gordon1: order two if you can! :D | 16:30 |
| josch | i need another usb hub in my classic reform | 16:30 |
| josch | ah right it was /sys/class/thermal/cooling_deviceN/cur_state | 16:31 |
| josch | gordon1: /sys/class/thermal/cooling_device*/max_state is 4,6,6,7 and cur_state has 2 or 3 for the first three and the last one is at 6 | 16:33 |
| gordon1 | i think 5 is a minimal order | 16:34 |
| gordon1 | josch: so that means it does not throttle all the way, if i remember correctly it uses stepwise governer which means your 97 degrees is a steady-state for this setting, meaning it does not increase, not really sure if it is possible to make it more agressive or something? | 16:37 |
| rick_ | josch i also got mine a few times up to 95 degrees | 16:37 |
| josch | rick_: thank you for confirming! | 16:37 |
| josch | for me this happens when running ffmpeg to encode video | 16:38 |
| josch | but i have been encoding video on the pocket for over a year and i'm quite sure that it didn't do this a few months ago... | 16:38 |
| gordon1 | maybe just thermal interface degraded and time to replace the pad? | 16:38 |
| rick_ | josch me with watching streams over mpv (with software rendering) and surfing in ff. But afaik everything under 100/degrees is okay, that's why i never mentioned anything | 16:39 |
| rick_ | minute is it possible to drive two displays over usbc with an docking station? O.O | 16:40 |
| rick_ | gordon1 mhh i could try that.. i need to open it anyway again for the new board :3 | 16:44 |
| jfred | minute: you built a pocket KB with kailh choc sunsets a while back right? how did you like those? | 16:45 |
| gordon1 | so i saw some mention about new fw for a keyboard, is it also related to classic reform kb? | 16:55 |
| gordon1 | ACTION did few hacks in his fw | 16:56 |
| gordon1 | probably need to upstream | 16:56 |
| josch | gordon1: yes, there were some changes to classic reform keyboard v4 and a new git tag was made as the result | 17:00 |
| gordon1 | was there a new kbd hw since last year or do i have v4? | 17:03 |
| josch | gordon1: you probably have v4 | 17:03 |
| gordon1 | cool | 17:03 |
| josch | gordon1: if it's rgb and has three spacebars and traditional staggering then it's v4 | 17:03 |
| gordon1 | i noticed that it constantly sends updates every few ms, so i patched it to send the report only if its changed | 17:04 |
| gordon1 | i still have issues with it sometimes dropping from usb but the issue reduced in frequency by like 100x fold | 17:04 |
| gordon1 | i wonder if that is something that is likely fixed in new version | 17:05 |
| josch | gordon1: somebody was/is working on qmk support for it and also noticed that sometimes usb dies -- minute theorized that maybe the problem is hardware related to a bad crystal | 17:06 |
| gordon1 | also i noticed that keyboard doesn't go into usb suspend | 17:07 |
| gordon1 | same as trackball btw | 17:08 |
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| minute | jfred: i like the sunsets a lot in pocket yeah! | 17:20 |
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| jfred | :) | 17:34 |
| jfred | I ordered the KB without switches, might end up adding sunsets | 17:34 |
| jfred | and of course predictably I realized I wanted to add something to my order just minutes after I placed it... sent in a support request (sigh) | 17:35 |
| gordon1 | every time | 17:36 |
| jfred | I dunno if the software you're using supports this but if it does, having a window during which you can add items to a previous order would be useful. I feel bad taking up support folks' time with that! | 17:36 |
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| josch | jfred: Happened to me as wel. My workaround is to add things into the shopping cart of the MNT shop immediately and collect them there. The cart does not seem to "forget" what I put into it, so it's my "shopping list" and that way, when I ultimately click the checkout button my cart will likely contain all the things. | 17:47 |
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| kfx | this highlights the main problem: the mnt shop needs an 'add all products to cart' button | 17:51 |
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| jfred | josch: yeah, I'm just a bit too trigger-happy with the checkout button when it comes to things I've been looking forward to haha | 18:52 |
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| amospalla | Added a MR with the code from pickybear, which adds a HID command to the Pocket, which allows to send a bitmap to the OLED. | 18:56 |
| amospalla | Wrote also a python script to help sending bitmap/text to both the keyboard/leds and oled, I'll see if it is also of interest if this MR goes ahead. | 18:58 |
| grimmware | minute: just ordered mainboard 2 and also the external keyboard thingy for debugging and development purposes :) | 19:03 |
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| grimmware | kfx: my mainboard has been down for a while and I haven't been able to put the time in to debugging it and I keep thinking of your "two is one, one is none" | 19:04 |
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| minute | grimmware: noice | 19:06 |
| grimmware | I really wouldn't be surprised if I manage to bring up my mobo 1 before or once 2 arrives, my progress is more likely limited by my whims than anything else. | 19:08 |
| kfx | grimmware: if it's any consolation, this approach has led me to possess spare parts for laptops and cars I no longer own. so, it's not all roses | 19:09 |
| grimmware | kfx: I'm in the middle of a purge and I feel less guilty than I thought I would | 19:11 |
| grimmware | somewhat egged on by the fact I fixed my vape with a component from a disposable I found on the ground today. | 19:12 |
| grimmware | wait rockchip USB bootloader on pocket mainboard 2? nice. | 19:16 |
| jfred | I'm glad I have my steam deck set up pretty well in desktop mode as a backup machine, because I was just swapping modules between my two reforms which are also my main machines, and had to stop partway through since I was missing a part. (That should be here tomorrow though...) | 19:16 |
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| Svp | two keycap sizes: V2, three space keys: V3, RGB: V4 | 20:09 |
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| rick_ | does someone know the measurements of the thermal pads? | 21:15 |
| lidstah | han, just noticed that the mnt reform (classic) screen is a 70Hz one, not 60Hz :) | 21:17 |
| lidstah | and hi everyone | 21:17 |
| lidstah | (arx libertatis does run at 70FPS which is quite nice) | 21:17 |
| lidstah | still no luck with openbsd tho, but I'm compiling a working native and box64 running games here (mainly RPGs, strategy games/4x games) with instructions to compile them when needed | 21:19 |
| lidstah | *running games list | 21:19 |
| kfx | has anyone tried this https://git.sr.ht/~cypheon/NetBSD ( Porting NetBSD to rk3588-based Rock 5B ) | 21:27 |
| rick_ | ah found the sizes of the pads in the pocket BOM ^^ | 21:33 |
| minute | kfx: haven't, that seems interesting @ netbsd | 21:35 |
| kfx | I'm not netbsd-fluent enough to know if this stuff has been merged; there's stuff in src referring to rk3588 and some concomitant parts, but I also think all their work was based on edk2 uefi (including a framebuffer) | 21:38 |
| ^alex | still hoping for improvements that help out with out i.mx8 module >.> | 22:00 |
| ^alex | the mainboard 2 looks really nice too :3 | 22:01 |
| sigrid | I would love my rk3588 mnt reform run netbsd | 22:03 |
| elb | oh boy I need to put together an order | 22:05 |
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| elb | I've been putting off a headset board 2.0, but the new motherboard and the keyboard USB adapter with another keyboard to hack on is making it very tempting to drop it now | 22:06 |
| sigrid | TIL https://github.com/marfrit/fourier | 22:14 |
| sigrid | (un)fortunately I use librewolf | 22:14 |
| josch | sigrid: no worries, nobody in this channel has enough RAM to be able to build chromium from source XD | 22:18 |
| sigrid | :') | 22:18 |
| orva | I love how qtwebkit (which afaik, requires less ram to build than chromium) build warned me that "Your system has too little ram, but combined with swap build is possible. This will make your system unusable while building" | 22:20 |
| orva | 32gb ram, 40gb with swap | 22:21 |
| orva | Bit silly | 22:21 |
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| kfx | sigrid: the readme mentions a firefox version but I can't find any evidence it exists | 23:02 |
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| kfx | also this smells sloppy | 23:03 |
| sigrid | :C | 23:07 |
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