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| jogu | minute: I saw there's a new revision of the pocket keyboard PCB. Is it too late to have the trackball motion pin actually routed? | 09:33 |
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| jogu | I'm asking since I'm doing some research / testing for ZMK/Zephyr on the pocket keyboard and the zephyr driver for the pixart sensor requires it | 09:37 |
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| josch | jogu: i was very excited reading your ZMK forum post recently. I really want to try it out. I'm currently typing this on a classic Reform with keyboard 2.0 and my classic Reform with keyboard V4 is currently in repair at MNT. I have another keyboard V4 here without switches which I could use to test ZMK once I find some time. | 10:16 |
| josch | The original firmware seems to somehow crash in situations when lots of data is shoved over USB. For example with effects I choose in OpenRGB. Is the instability you see with ZMK also connected to more stuff being transferred via usb? | 10:17 |
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| midfavila | i wonder - will there be any support for external GPUs with desktop reform? i've been wanting to upgrade to the new mainboard for my classic for a while, and if I could hook up this old single-slot quadro i have kicking around with quad DP to the desktop, that would be a comfy little setup without needing any proprietary stuff... depending on system module, of course | 11:03 |
| josch | midfavila: MNT had an external GPU working with desktop reform in the past | 11:04 |
| josch | i experimented with that too and got display output but never got it to run any wayland compositor | 11:04 |
| midfavila | oh, nice! | 11:07 |
| midfavila | i can't speak to wayland but i'd sure love to tinker with getting X running | 11:07 |
| josch | it was running but with render artifacts -- you can find my experiments in the irc logs | 11:08 |
| midfavila | i'll have to peek | 11:08 |
| jogu | josch: Not exactly lots USB data, but it's correlated to the firmware "doing more" e.g. a render loop with a static image to the oled every 100ms, RGB animations, etc. I spent a couple months trying everything I could on the firmware side and thing it's actually something hardware related (maybe the crystal, maybe routing, maybe EMF) | 11:09 |
| jogu | I can't repro it on similar RP2040 based boards either, so was looking into getting a pocket keyboard and seeing if that also has the same issues but was going to wait for V1.5 | 11:11 |
| [tj] | josch: the pocket firmware crashes from a hard power off sitting at idle | 11:11 |
| [tj] | (keyboard) | 11:12 |
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| josch | jogu: uff... bummer... : | 11:20 |
| josch | :/ | 11:20 |
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| minute | jogu: it's definitely too late for that. we can just modify the driver? | 12:43 |
| minute | midfavila: i have a kernel branch which allows to use amd gpus with rk3588 | 12:44 |
| minute | jogu: it's very possible you're hitting a HW issue with the original pocket keyboard. i think it should be fixed in 1.5 (better crystal, better routing+caps placement) | 12:45 |
| josch | midfavila: that'd probably be this: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/145 | 12:45 |
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| jogu | minute: I think it's possible to modify the driver to poll but since it won't be event driven might mess up sleep management. Haven't done much digging on sleep management yet though so I'm not sure. | 12:49 |
| jogu | It's not a super big issue for me personally (I don't have a pocket) but was looking at how hard it would be to support it as well as the classic/next. Pretty trivial outside of the motion pin thing I mentioned | 12:51 |
| jogu | minute: For clarity, the issues I mentioned are on a standalone V4 keyboard not a pocket keyboard. I want to test on a pocket keyboard to see if it exhibits similar behavior under ZMK but was going to wait for the V1.5 revision | 12:51 |
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| lidstah | got my reform classic today :D | 18:05 |
| lidstah | setting it up rn, the keyboard and trackballs are amazing | 18:06 |
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| midfavila | one of us one of us one of us | 18:29 |
| lidstah | :D | 18:43 |
| lidstah | first tests with the raspberry pi nvme (+2230 to 2280 adapter), it does work (just tar xvzf-ed some big archives on it (mounted it in my home folder, got the 256GB RK3588 board, not the 128GB one - and, wow, emmc has gone a long way since the last time I played around with it, it's almost ssd-like nowadays), no problem) | 18:45 |
| lidstah | now I should unmount it, and reform-migrate or install trixie on it, but rn... damn, I want to play with this thing :D | 18:45 |
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| lidstah | https://celeano.lidstah.info/-ScVc62YyPT << a reform, a potato phone, a nice stout beer for the end of the day, and the printed manual as a reference, I'm happy :) - thanks MNT :D | 18:54 |
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| lidstah | mmh, openmw does run quite well | 19:09 |
| lidstah | ( MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=zink openmw-launcher or else textures are borked, but it's really smooth) | 19:10 |
| minute | lidstah: very nice, thanks for sharing! | 19:25 |
| minute | jogu: if you have a rp2040 .uf2 build of the pocket zmk firmware around, i could test it on kbd 1.5. there's only one relatively trivial difference, one new gpio has to be turned on to make enable the keyboard backlight. but that's not important to test this usb issue | 19:27 |
| ^alex | oo they put Zmk on the pocket keyboard? | 19:28 |
| lidstah | minute: thank you and the MNT team for making such a great little (well,not that little) computer :D | 19:35 |
| jfred | Woohoo, the parts for my Pocket arrived :D and as I was switching out the battery holders I realized one of the old ones was broken in a way I hadn't noticed, haha | 19:37 |
| jfred | so it's nice to have a fresh set that's sturdier | 19:37 |
| jfred | and the holo sleeve is *pretty* | 19:37 |
| lidstah | there's one thing bugging me a bit: the battery widgets reports 47% right now, while the OLED screen reports 29% (and cells at 3.2V), is that normal? (and which one to believe? :)) | 19:41 |
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| lidstah | s/widgets/widget/g | 19:41 |
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| josch | lidstah: try to empty the batteries completely before charging them all the way up | 19:51 |
| lidstah | josch: noted, thanks :) | 19:57 |
| lidstah | haha I understand the warning about headphones and volume in the manual :D | 20:11 |
| lidstah | (but the sound is good, too) | 20:11 |
| lidstah | oow milkytracker :') | 20:13 |
| lidstah | must try it on this machine | 20:13 |
| lidstah | side note, I do like the default reform sway theme | 20:16 |
| lidstah | modified the keybindings because 34 years of ViM are engrained in my muscles, though | 20:17 |
| lidstah | josch: sorry to ask, but if the battery goes to 0% in the firmware oled screen but the cells are still at 3V is it safe to push it to, let's say, 2.8V? | 20:26 |
| lidstah | (did a lot of homework, but not that much on the battery side of things, meh) | 20:27 |
| lidstah | (another side note, but as a french, I do like the fact that the return key is labeled "entrée" :) | 20:38 |
| lidstah | 3% oled side, 27% linux side | 20:44 |
| lidstah | mmh | 20:44 |
| lidstah | 3.1V/3.2V per cell | 20:45 |
| lidstah | and around 4:30 hours uptime | 20:45 |
| lidstah | 0% on the oled side | 20:51 |
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| josch | lidstah: you have the protected battery boards, so you can push it all the way down | 21:46 |
| josch | 4:30 uptime sounds comparable | 21:47 |
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| lidstah | josch: thanks - again - for the info. will push it all the way down next time (went down to around 2.9V per cell before charging them) | 22:01 |
| lidstah | so around 5:30 uptime, not bad at all | 22:01 |
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| lidstah | (with a lot of installing stuff, testing other stuff like luanti/openmw/emulators so far from my daily routine of shell, ssh and a web browser :p) | 22:04 |
| josch | try dolphin-emu -- i was playing mario kart double dash today :) | 22:05 |
| lidstah | :D | 22:05 |
| lidstah | right now I'm more on the dosbox/snes league | 22:05 |
| lidstah | I wonder if pcsx works... | 22:06 |
| lidstah | luanti ran amazingly well too (I intend to play it with my son when he'll have his first computer later this year) | 22:06 |
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| josch | relatedly we found out that the pocket reform keyboard size is perfect for a 5-year-old :) | 22:11 |
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| lidstah | josch: :D | 22:13 |
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| minute | lidstah: duckstation i can also recommend | 22:48 |
| lidstah | minute: thank you for the info :) there was so much great games on the ps1 too | 22:49 |
| minute | lidstah: my partner and i played through all resident evil titles on duckstation on reform :D | 22:51 |
| lidstah | vcmi works perfect (once scaling is disabled), just tested here | 22:51 |
| lidstah | (heroes of M&M 3 engine) | 22:51 |
| minute | (with cheats though lol) | 22:51 |
| lidstah | they were awfully hard iirc | 22:52 |
| lidstah | but great ones :) - I recall playing them at a friend's house back in the days. We had some jumpscares then :) | 22:53 |
| lidstah | Silent Hill was also, in the genre, a great series although I only played the first one (at the same friend's house) | 22:54 |
| lidstah | just tried scummvm with Might and Magic world of xeen, works perfect too | 22:54 |
| lidstah | time for some dosbox tests | 22:55 |
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| minute | nice | 23:02 |
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| lidstah | minute: next week-end, with a good friend of mine, we'll start looking on getting openbsd booting with a framebuffer instead of rkdrm0 on the reform. might solve the blank screen issue | 23:13 |
| siviq | lidstah Congrats for the new machine. I'm curios, what charger did you end up using for the MNT Classic? I have one power supply from Dell, 65W type-C. Think should do the job just fine. But always can get something better, if you recommend. | 23:19 |
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| lidstah | siviq: 65W thinkpad power supply here, works as intended. Probably not worse nor better than the Dell power supply :) | 23:30 |
| lidstah | (and hello, btw!) | 23:30 |
| siviq | lidstah Perfect. Don't really need more extra wires and power bricks. :) | 23:31 |
| lidstah | ahah, same here - too many thinkpads here :') | 23:31 |
| lidstah | I'm wondering if a steamdeck power supply should do the trick, too (it's 45W tho, iirc) | 23:32 |
| lidstah | bit smaller than the thinkpad 65W one | 23:32 |
| lidstah | (which didn't get as hot charging the reform than it does charging the x13 here) | 23:34 |
| lidstah | (so I'm wondering if a smaller power brick like the steamdeck one might do the trick too) | 23:34 |
| lidstah | (damn, this keyboard is so nice, can't stop typing) | 23:35 |
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| siviq | I've transitioned away from Thinkpads since the last one I was given suffered from sudden death. Yeah, you might be right, perhaps can do with 45W too. | 23:37 |
| lidstah | dosbox tests: darklands, MM3, FRUA OK, Dejenol KO (overflow, but it's a win3.1 game) | 23:38 |
| lidstah | siviq: yeah, I do like the x13 (ryzen) here, but it's not as serviceable than the x201 or even the x260 here are | 23:39 |
| lidstah | and the keyboard is no match for the x201 (let alone the reform one :)) | 23:39 |
| minute | lidstah: fingers crossed @ bsd | 23:40 |
| lidstah | (the reform is clearly in another league keyboard wise, but the x201 one was pretty darn good) | 23:41 |
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| lidstah | minute: it boots and normally, console is available via serial/usb, now, it's just a matter of making it display something :) | 23:41 |
| kfx | I usually use a 45W charger with my reform, never had a problem | 23:43 |
| lidstah | kfx: good to know, will test the steamdeck one next charge | 23:44 |
| kfx | I've used a steam deck charger, but I can't remember if it's the one that came with the deck or one that came with the dock | 23:45 |
| lidstah | both should be identical | 23:45 |
| kfx | the one that came with the dock came with a shorter power cable, but according to valve they're otherwise the same | 23:46 |
| lidstah | I have the dock too (I use the SD as a google meet/ms teams machine at work as I work from home mainly) | 23:47 |
| lidstah | never thought about comparing the cable sizes between the two chargers | 23:48 |
| lidstah | albeit I know that the one powering the dock is the one which came with it | 23:48 |
| kfx | the only reason I noticed the difference is that my wife stole my charger, then brought it back and stole the other one because the cable was longer. | 23:48 |
| lidstah | :D | 23:49 |
| lidstah | mine stole my phone charger recently. charging the small thing with the thinkpad brick seemed a bit... overkill :D | 23:49 |
| lidstah | gtg here, waking up in 6 hours. good evening/night/whatever everyone :) (and thanks josch for the battery advices :)) | 23:54 |
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