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| minute | great news: ailurux made the pocket dsi display work in barebox on rk3588. | 08:45 |
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| josch | \o/ | 08:47 |
| josch | minute: do you have a git branch to clone and build a blob from or is this still in POC land? | 08:52 |
| josch | ah found it: https://source.mnt.re/reform/mnt-reform-barebox/-/tree/ailurux/panel-cleanup | 09:18 |
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| josch | minute: do you have a .config? :) | 09:30 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.3.83) | 09:41 | |
| amk | whatll barebox enable, is it sort of a uboot replacement? | 10:03 |
| josch | amk: yes, you use barebox instead of u-boot | 10:05 |
| josch | amk: and the motivation for barebox is, that many seem to find writing code for it easier, see the barebox README for a list of what should motivate one to work on barebox instead of u-boot | 10:05 |
| + johl (~johl@wikidata/Jens-Ohlig) | 10:29 | |
| minute | josch: we still didn't test booting the OS with barebox though i think, so feel free to experiment :D also i think you need display v2, do you have that? also, hdmi works as well, in parallel | 10:29 |
| minute | josch: and we don't have a clean config nor dtb yet, the dtb is an unholy mix of reform2 and pocket. | 10:30 |
| minute | (last time i checked) | 10:30 |
| minute | also we should rebase on upstream soon | 10:30 |
| minute | because efi loader landed recently | 10:30 |
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| minute | josch: i met a3f at congress and they seemed very helpful and eager to support us if we have problems getting barebox rolled out. you can probably pick their brain in #barebox if needed | 10:32 |
| josch | minute: nice, thank you! | 10:33 |
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| rick_ | nice, my usb-uart adapter works :3 just one question thou, when the pocket boots normally, i can't input my luks pw via the console. Is that normal or am i doing sth wrong? | 11:41 |
| rick_ | when i type it in the poket via its own keyboard it boots and i can login via serieal without problems. it just seems strange to me, that i need a keyboard and a display on the mnt to boot it when i have serial instead | 11:43 |
| josch | rick_: the luks prompt will show up on the last tty device in the linux comdline arguments | 11:49 |
| josch | rick_: we had the problem that when ordering the tty options differently, the luks prompt would only show up on serial and not on the screen at all | 11:49 |
| rick_ | ohhh i see, need to try that, thanks! | 11:50 |
| rick_ | and i did remove gdm3 now, this finally feels more like my old setup and everything still works :3 | 11:50 |
| rick_ | i just don't like gnome stuff ^^v | 11:51 |
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| gsora | 6.18 seemed to be doing some weird stuff for me, pcie devices often timeout | 15:39 |
| josch | gsora: MNT Reform 2 with RCORE RK3588 Module? | 15:39 |
| gsora | yes | 15:39 |
| gsora | known issue? | 15:40 |
| josch | gsora: did you by any chance also update your u-boot? | 15:40 |
| gsora | hmm did an apt upgrade | 15:40 |
| gsora | not sure if it auto-updated? | 15:40 |
| josch | okay, that does not upgrade u-boot | 15:40 |
| gsora | something's wrong with the latest uboot? | 15:41 |
| josch | gsora: the artifacts are already pulled and the version and hashes reverted to the version before that | 15:43 |
| josch | gsora: with rk3588 u-boot version 2016-01-11 the nvme sometimes is not seen by linux | 15:43 |
| gsora | fwiw, the mediatek wlan card enumerated but driver couldn't attach, while this intel one is more hit or miss | 15:43 |
| josch | and because nvme is also a pci device i asked whether you might've upgraded u-boot to the wrong version before it was pulled offline | 15:43 |
| gsora | ah I see | 15:44 |
| josch | the other remaining 6.18 issues are for a311d users but i am also not able to replicate the problems on classic reform | 15:44 |
| gsora | i'll keep an eye out for any resemblance of pcie issues | 15:49 |
| josch | gsora: what is your u-boot version in any case? | 15:51 |
| gsora | how can I check? | 15:51 |
| josch | reform-check | 15:52 |
| josch | :) | 15:52 |
| josch | or: cat /proc/device-tree/chosen/u-boot,version | 15:52 |
| josch | (but that's harder to remember) | 15:52 |
| gsora | agreed haha | 15:54 |
| gsora | 2024.10-g424c714eb247-dirty | 15:54 |
| josch | oh that is old | 15:54 |
| gsora | whoops :^) | 15:54 |
| josch | but should not matter for you | 15:55 |
| josch | it would be good if you find a reliable reproducer of your problem because then we can bisect the kernel | 15:55 |
| josch | minute: are you on 6.18 already? Did you experience issues yet? | 15:55 |
| gsora | too bad it's completely random :( | 15:55 |
| gsora | the pcie/mpcie adapter i'm using may also just be faulty | 15:56 |
| gsora | though it has been working fine for months | 15:56 |
| - jogu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~jogu@user/jogu) | 15:58 | |
| gsora | today i'm unlucky, my ipod just randomly rebooted lol | 16:00 |
| Svp | been having an odd issue in which i cant seem to input any command during u-boot from the internal keyboard, on imx8mq, i tried updating both but hasnt changed. ...does the internal usb port matter for that orthey should all get init'd? everything is fine when booted, though... | 16:02 |
| + jogu (~jogu@user/jogu) | 16:14 | |
| + Chwoka (~Chwoka@216.73.127.21) | 16:17 | |
| - enwu (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~enwu@user/enwu) | 16:31 | |
| + enwu (~enwu@user/enwu) | 16:32 | |
| josch | gsora: i'm currently running 6.18 on rk3588 pocket reform without issues | 16:33 |
| josch | (and i also run the u-boot version reported broken by others without issues on the pocket) | 16:34 |
| josch | Svp: that might be a regression. This feature is rarely tested. | 16:35 |
| - jogu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (~jogu@user/jogu) | 16:46 | |
| minute | josch: btw i'm not sure i reviewed the 6.18 patchstack yet, maybe there are some pcie changes? | 16:46 |
| minute | josch: i'm on 6.18.3 on mnt reform next and didn't experience pcie related problems, *but* i'm also actually not using the 2 nvmes in here | 16:47 |
| minute | josch: (system on emmc) | 16:47 |
| minute | > Linux mntmnt 6.18.3-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 6.18.3-1+reform20260112T203739Z | 16:47 |
| + jogu (~jogu@user/jogu) | 16:47 | |
| josch | minute: there shouldn't be large surprising changes because we didn't re-import the collabora patches but forward ported the 6.17 patches with minimal changes. Only a handful of patches had to be refreshed. | 16:51 |
| minute | josch: ok interesting. | 16:51 |
| josch | and the only pci related issues i was able to reproudce myself were with u-boot but not related to 6.18 :/ | 16:52 |
| josch | maybe again something very flaky? i'm sitting here hitting the reboot button on the rk3588 pocket reform in the hope that maybe one reboot will show pci-e errors on 6.18 :D | 16:54 |
| minute | maybe random | 16:56 |
| josch | yeah but i hope not, would make it very frustrating to track down :( | 16:57 |
| minute | alright. we'll figure it out! | 16:57 |
| minute | tomorrow i'm flying back to berlin ^^ | 16:57 |
| josch | oh nice! | 16:58 |
| minute | then i can update all my stuff to the latest | 16:58 |
| minute | now it's too risky because of bad internet + could lose my access altogether | 16:58 |
| josch | hehe i know the feeling -- that's why i'm happy to always have the pocket reform with me. Something breaks? Quick serial from pocket to classic or from classic to pocket and debug. | 17:01 |
| rick_ | josch yeah i was quite happy today too, that i still got my old laptop. tried serial from there.. its always good to have a backup device if sth breaks ^^ | 17:07 |
| rick_ | btw i'm about to test your chroot script | 17:07 |
| rick_ | currently flashing the sd-card | 17:07 |
| rick_ | and i think i also keep that sd-card.. in case sth breaks XD like i had my usb-stick with an arch iso for my old laptop XDD | 17:08 |
| gsora | minute: i posted this image when you were in the hospital, not sure if this is known behavior for the keyboard firmware but somehow mine ended up like this: https://files.catbox.moe/0p2duv.jpg | 17:16 |
| minute | gsora: oh i only know this from old fw that still has a memory leak | 17:21 |
| minute | gsora: which fw version is that? | 17:21 |
| gsora | 9f65ca69 | 17:21 |
| minute | gsora: that's some kind of git version | 17:30 |
| gsora | minute: yeah that's what I see in the system status view | 17:30 |
| minute | gsora: maybe try the official release from july first, and i will soon make a new release https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/jobs/11713/artifacts/browse/reform2-keyboard4-fw/ | 17:31 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 17:32 | |
| gsora | updated, thank you | 17:38 |
| gsora | somehow I always end up falling behind on my reform updates lol | 17:40 |
| minute | i mean, updates shouldn't be mandatory :D | 17:41 |
| minute | but there were some bugs like that one... | 17:42 |
| minute | classic reform is more and more stabilizing though | 17:42 |
| gsora | besides the hdmi issues and this weird wifi pcie thing, classic has been rock solid | 17:43 |
| gsora | rust-analyzer makes the rk3588 not exactly happy, but it's okay :P | 17:43 |
| minute | hehe | 17:47 |
| minute | weird @ pcie, for me it's not so unstable. i ~suspect~ signal quality issues, ever tried reseating again incl adapter? | 17:48 |
| minute | esp. if pcie device is flaky | 17:48 |
| gsora | yeah yesterday i tried all the usual tricks, including leaving the board out for a while | 17:48 |
| minute | hmmm | 17:48 |
| gsora | i suspect it's 6.18 related as i've never seen this before | 17:48 |
| minute | is it the adapter we shipped or your own? | 17:49 |
| gsora | my own, i provided both wifi card/adapter and nvme ssd | 17:49 |
| minute | i'm also using 6.18 with intel wifi card, but custom mnt adapter (in reform next) since 10 days straight and no issues | 17:49 |
| minute | 6.18.3 though | 17:49 |
| gsora | oh you built your own mpcie adapter? neat | 17:49 |
| minute | no reform next doesn't have mpcie | 17:49 |
| minute | but it has a m.2 carrier in the back under the keyboard for wifi | 17:50 |
| minute | that is connected with custom flex to the rcore, like in pocket | 17:50 |
| gsora | the weirdest thing i've seen so far on classic is one time the emmc didn't get recognized by uboot (!!) | 17:50 |
| minute | (actually in pocket it's not yet custom flex, but off the shelf flex + custom carrier merged with headset board) | 17:50 |
| minute | gsora: ah, rk3588/uboot glitch | 17:51 |
| minute | gsora: are you on 6.18.3 or newer? | 17:51 |
| gsora | 6.18.5 | 17:51 |
| minute | maybe something happened in between 6.18.3 and 6.18.5 | 17:52 |
| minute | i'll upgrade when back home and then lets see if i get issues or no | 17:52 |
| gsora | i was able to reproduce it once in 4 boots fwiw | 17:52 |
| minute | gsora: hmm! did you already pastebin your dmesg somewhere when it fails? | 17:53 |
| gsora | no but i should be able to grab it through journalctl, one sec | 17:53 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:20) | 17:55 | |
| gsora | minute: https://tangled.org/strings/did:plc:6ll5xi67lyuyovt6fiv4fnjo/3mcx57fl7e222 | 17:55 |
| gsora | "Timeout waiting for hardware access (CSR_GP_CNTRL 0xffffffff)" scary | 17:55 |
| minute | mhmm | 17:56 |
| minute | i've never seen that error i think | 17:56 |
| minute | ah that's from iwlwifi | 17:57 |
| gsora | yeah | 17:57 |
| gsora | mediatek had a different message: "mt7921e 0004:41:00.0: driver own failed" | 17:58 |
| gsora | i wonder if maybe the mpcie adapter board i'm using is just bad quality and some change in the kernel triggered an unexpected behavior | 17:58 |
| minute | actually now i remember that i have some iwlwifi issues since a while already @ home in the classic reform | 18:01 |
| minute | but they were quite specific | 18:01 |
| minute | card stopped traffic sometimes when copying a video over sshfs | 18:01 |
| minute | gsora: it is possible | 18:02 |
| gsora | hmm under load I've not had issues so far | 18:03 |
| gsora | download/uploads at 950mb/s, it saturates my fiber pipe | 18:03 |
| - spew (QUIT: Quit: nyaa~) (~spew@user/spew) | 18:04 | |
| minute | hmm i wonder if i have custom iwlmvm power settings on this machine | 18:04 |
| gsora | oh i've had so many bad experiences with iwlwifi and power saving | 18:04 |
| gsora | i just don't bother anymore | 18:05 |
| minute | doesn't look like | 18:05 |
| minute | gsora: ah so do you use pcie_aspm=off? | 18:05 |
| + spew (~spew@user/spew) | 18:05 | |
| gsora | not on reform, iirc i used it on an old thinkpad | 18:06 |
| minute | gsora: could be worth a shot! | 18:07 |
| gsora | i'm working on a thing atm but i will try later today | 18:08 |
| gsora | with both cards | 18:08 |
| minute | sure | 18:08 |
| minute | i'm also finding people using > iwlmvm.power_scheme=1 iwlwifi.power_save=0 | 18:08 |
| minute | (haven't confirmed that tho) | 18:08 |
| marty | i try to keep intel/nsa away from my network stack. it can be tough tho. not many options. | 18:36 |
| gordon1 | i remember failing at attempts of enabling aspm/power_save on iwlwifi before i ditched it | 18:43 |
| gordon1 | but that was on older kernel | 18:43 |
| gordon1 | let me try to dig up a dmesg snippet | 18:43 |
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| gordon1 | hmm, for some reason i don't have it, maybe because it refused to boot and it didn't end up in my log? | 18:47 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 18:48 | |
| marty | sorry, saw iwlwifi and had a yucky reaction | 18:48 |
| minute | marty: that's fine | 18:50 |
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| amospalla | josch: is it a good idea to put my program to manage pocket keyboard leds into the contrib demos folder/repository? | 19:30 |
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| josch | amospalla: if i remember correctly, that program was more than a single file, no? | 22:54 |
| amospalla | josch: right, it is packaged as a Python zipapp, which can be executed directly (given a Python interpreter is available). It is a zip file with the sources that Python knows how to open. | 22:55 |
| amospalla | I am aware it is a bit messy to put on the git tree, so we could forget it. | 22:56 |
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| josch | i think i'd rather track plain source in git instead of zipped source | 23:04 |
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| amospalla | yeah, that's much better, I'll put a merge request, thank you josch | 23:16 |
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