2026-01-17.log

elbI think those transfers are limited to 64 bytes by protocol00:11
elbyou have to use a different mode for things like block transfers00:11
vkoskivminute: yeah, the atmel one. I've been working on the OLED project again recently, I really would benefit from a firm deadline, otherwise it'll never be published :D00:38
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pickybearTest recap changing CFG_TUD_HID_EP_BUFSIZE (tusb_config.h) to 640: keyboard does not work, i.e. normal keypresses do not register.08:01
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rwa_josch, minute: regarding the "classic reform won't boot cause nvme failed initialization" (see https://paste.sr.ht/~rwa/777f5b950927f52e690d02dfb0957f2a6a663377 for kernel log) i finally managed to make it work again09:31
rwa_first attempt: boot from sd card and use "reform-migrate" to move / to nvme and /boot to emmc - script was successfull, but boot still failed with the same error09:32
rwa_so i used "reform-flash-uboot emmc" to update uboot, now it is successfully booting from emmc with / on nvme again09:33
rwa_difference to my borked setup is that i didn't mess with manually updating reform-tools from sid, it's a Debian Trixie image with backports running reform-tools 1.82-209:34
rwa_u-boot version is shown as 2025-11-0409:35
rwa_iirc the borked version had timestamp of 2026-01-something09:35
joschrwa_: so the fix was downgrading u-boot?09:50
rwa_seems so09:59
minutethat's interesting (and concerning)10:15
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rwa_i can do whatever tests you like me to do with newer uboot versions on Debian Trixie10:17
minutebtw there might be a new banana pi module on the horizon :D10:22
minutecurrently pondering it, but i'm already quite sure we should try it (8GB rk3588 soldered-on-som)10:23
minutebecause it could be made quite affordable...10:23
minute(and we need a bit more supply chain options)10:24
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gordon1what about radxa soms on rk3588 btw? is there a problem with it?10:32
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minutegordon1: no, i'm also considering those. they are just significantly more expensive10:37
minutei need to check pin assignments of radxa cm5 and bpi cm6 and rpi cm5 to see if there are some synergies there maybe10:37
minute(bpi cm6 is a funky risc-v thing)10:37
gordon1are they? i mean are banana pies cheaper than that?10:38
gordon1i need to check that10:38
minutegordon1: the lm7 is cheaper yes. 10:38
minutei can't tell the exact prices because i got personal quotes, but that's the general idea10:39
gordon1lga oh god10:39
minuteusually solder on soms are cheaper than soms with connectors too, and radxa engineering is pretty high end now from my POV10:39
minutegordon1: yeah. 10:39
minutea bit tricky in terms of how to produce a board, but we have to solve that for thundercomm anyway10:40
minute(i think we just have to request custom parts @ jlc) 10:40
minuteand then do consignment10:40
minuteok one more difference, radxa cm5 is rk3588s210:42
gordon1you right, it's like half price10:43
minutegordon1: the difference is not that extreme in the quotes i got, but still very significant10:43
minutei wonder if rk3588s2 runs cooler or if that's a myth10:43
minuteotherwise, rk3588s2 is worse for us because of less connectivtiy (less hdmi, less pcie)10:44
gordon1oh, meh it has only 2x pci10:45
minuteyep10:47
minutehaha we're already so spoiled by the tons of pcie on rk358810:48
joschactually what i need more of in my reform is usb not pci-e10:49
joschlte is connected via usb10:49
joschbluetooth is connected via usb10:49
joschi only have pci-e for wifi and ssd10:50
joschrwa_: minute: i have some test data regarding the nvme issue with most recent u-boot10:50
joschso currently i'm running debian trixie with kernel 6.17 and old reform-tools and i have:10:50
joschcat /proc/device-tree/chosen/u-boot,version10:50
josch2024.10 MNT Reform 2 with RCORE-DSI RK3588 Module 2026-01-11-g424c714eb247-dirty%10:50
joschso version 2026-01-11 *can* boot a system on nvme10:51
joschand i tested that before filing my MRs and my serial logs are in the MNT gitlab10:51
joschi was just making sure i didn't hallucinate10:51
josch*but*10:51
minutejosch: right, we do have tons of usb too, just not going to enough places. so that calls for mb 4.010:51
joschyay \o/10:52
joschor reform-next mobo in classic :)10:52
minutejosch: yeah, or some mutation of that, exactly10:52
joschbut then i flashed u-boot 2026-01-11 to my emmc -- before i only tested with u-boot on sd-card because then i cannot mess up and i didn't expect any difference in behaviour depending where rk3588 reads u-boot from10:52
joschand then i experienced the exact same problem rwa_ reported: my initramfs was unable to find my nvme: /dev/nvme0n1 was completely missing10:53
joschso i zeroed out my emmc and made it use u-boot on sd-card again: then it worked10:53
joschso i thought maybe it *does* make a difference whether u-boot is read from emmc or sd card?10:54
joschso i rebooted again with u-boot on sd-card and *then* i got the same problem10:54
joschso there is some randomness, some flakiness10:54
joschit works sometimes (like it does right now, i'm typing this from a machine booted with 2026-01-11) but not always10:55
joschminute: which means we should probably delete the latest artifacts so that nobody else flashes it10:55
joschand then get some time to investigate10:55
gordon1>so that calls for mb 4.010:57
gordon1extra usb jst header pretty please10:57
minutegordon1: just a third one you mean?10:58
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gordon1well, either that or kbd firmware to get trackball running?10:58
gordon1but i mean if you'll have spare lines from bigger hub, just drop it to the header i guess10:59
joschgordon1: there is also the extra usb that you get from the latest rcore version together with pci-e10:59
joschi was messing around in kicad to shrink the wifi/bt board for the pocket11:00
josch(after my last miserably failed attempt to fit that board into the classic...)11:00
gordon1actually i need to see what needs to be done to get double sensor trackball going11:01
joschminute: or instead of pulling the gitlab artifacts i can also upload a reform-tools version which reverts u-boot to the last-known version, what do you prefer?11:03
josch*last-known working version11:03
rwa_josch: wow, this sounds weird11:10
minutejosch: last known good sounds good11:11
rwa_but iirc i had the same thing that it worked once, but mostly it didn't work via emmc, but sd card was always fine11:11
minutejosch: i added you as maintainer of reform-rk3588-uboot, is that enough so you can delete the artifacts?11:13
joschminute: yes, done. Sorry for the mess.11:14
minutejosch: no problem! mess happens11:16
minutethere are many moving parts :D11:16
joschbut i'm happy that i posted my u-boot uart output in the gitlab issues -- at least that way i know i didn't hallucinate that it didn't work when i tested the artifacts11:17
joschi just should've tested more than once or twice...11:18
joschnow it will be interesting to see what the problem was...11:18
minutepasting logs on the internet is always good11:23
rwa_josch: not sure if we had this topic before - is there a reason nfs-common is not included in the Debian Trixie images?11:23
minutebtw i'm open for ideas on how to most cleanly set the default governors to powersave / limit the gpu frequency _at boot_ on rk3588 pocket11:32
minutei'm using some 5000mAh amazon batteries that seem to have weakened quicker than the default eremits... and if i'm on like 50% bat i can't boot without power adapter11:32
minute(before reform-power-daemon has started)11:33
joschrwa_: the usual answer is "everything we include increases the image size"11:34
rwa_ok, thats a reasonable point11:38
rwa_was just irritated that mounting nfs volumes didn't work ootb11:39
minuterwa_: we like to add stuff like that when someone reports an irritation like that11:41
joschminute: i gathered some data so that you can better decide. Installing nfs-common would increase the uncompressed image size by 2.4 MiB and add four extra packages overall. Now it's your call. :)12:02
minutejosch: awesome, thanks! i say go for it12:06
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joschthank you, i added that to the MR which reverts rk3588 u-boot to the last known working version: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/16012:12
joschrwa_: sorry for the mess and thanks a lot for reporting it!12:12
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minutech: what is the cut-off (low end) voltage you configured the max chip to in the experimental fw? my pocket turned off at 3.5V under load, battery gauge showed 32% or so12:22
minutech: but it also turned on again after a few seconds (and then couldn't boot anymore), like as if there's not much hysteresis12:22
minutech: but could also be unrelated, so wanted to confirm what's expected?12:22
chminute: i think 3.25 or 3.2212:27
chminute: the lipo spec says 3.20 i think12:27
chminute: but can certainly change it. for me it ran quite long below 3.512:28
chminute: but you have the other lipos?12:28
minutech: ok, then it's probably unrelated12:35
minutech: i will switch back to the default 4000mAh when i'm back in berlin12:35
minutech: thanks!12:35
rwa_josch: not for this, glad a can help at least a little bit12:36
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jfredI just booted up my Pocket on low battery because I didn't have an outlet available, the gauge showed 20%, but under load one of the cells was at 3V. I remember there was some discussion previously about cutting power off in firmware at a slightly higher voltage, is that the experimental fw that was mentioned earlier?16:47
jfredI powered it off after that because I didn't want to damage that cell ^^;16:47
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josch:( i soldered the new diode but as soon as i connect the batteries it blows again... what could i test?16:55
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minutejosch: that will be hard to debug17:37
minutejosch: first, check all power rails for shorts17:38
minutejosch: or actually first check all the fuses17:38
minutejosch: maybe a fuse is blown17:38
minutejfred: yes, ch has a branch17:39
gordon1why does it blow the diode if the fuse is blown?17:44
gordon1josch: which mb revision is that? 3.0?17:47
minutegordon1: just an idea, maybe power wants to route around the fuse through that way17:51
gordon1hmm17:51
minutebut i don't have the schematics in front of me17:51
minutei repaired many very broken reform mbs though... so i have some instincts17:51
minuteanyway, first thing is always to check fuses, and check all power rails17:52
gordon1that's a good starting point, yes17:53
gordon1i just vaguely remember josch mentioning that board works without batteries or something17:53
pinslI designed a custom split keyboard, while waiting for the reform next to arrive: https://codeberg.org/funnes/reform-split-keyboard#readme17:58
jfredpinsl: ooh very cool! :D18:00
minutegordon1: aha, right. i suspect mostly the fuse that goes to the batteries18:02
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joschfuse f2 seems to be fine18:47
joschyes board works fine -- even off the batteries. But it cannot charge them.18:48
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joschmeh... i think a311d has the same problem with nvme and new u-boot19:02
joschi downgraded u-boot on a311d and now nvme comes up reliably again19:03
joschanyways, i'm back on a311d now19:03
joschthe speed of rk3588 was really awesome but i need the connectivity options i have on a311d more than i need the speed of rk358819:05
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gordon1josch: maybe ltc6803 is bust? can you check if cathode of the diode (the pad where diode line is facing) has short to ground with a multimeter?19:49
gordon1can you also check if individual cell voltages seem healthy?19:56
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rwa_@gordon1: josch and myself noticed that screen backlight flickering is back on low brightness settings - you were involved in the investigation a few months ago. Do you experience the same?20:28
gordon1rwa_: i think minute increased the frequency a bit to combat interferece with usb audio, and i, since the only usb audio i use has no issues with this interference, opted out of keeping the old value as extra patch i add to my own kernel20:30
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minutegordon1: rwa_: yeah that is a bit unfortunate. next rev should get filtering on the 5v rail for these freqs20:43
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gordon1can you just hack in a cap somewhere for that btw?20:44
gordon1probably worth adding a note or something 20:45
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rwa_minute: is there a way to set the pwm to a supported value for peeps who don't use usb audio?22:11
gordon1rwa_: you can modify .dts/.dtb file, you need kernel sources but you don't have to compile your own kernel22:13
gordon1i mean there's probably a way to do that with overlay, but i'm not 100% sure how overlays are handled by default u-boot config22:16
gordon1maybe josch knows the answer22:16
gordon1ACTION struggling to find a script that build reform kernel in source.mnt.re22:19
gordon1rwa_: sorry, i can guide you how to do that manually, but there has to be a better way with a script22:20
gordon1ah, found it22:22
gordon1rwa_: try this script, it should check out kernel git for your particular kernel version https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-kernel-dev/-/blob/main/prepare.sh?ref_type=heads22:22
rwa_gordon1: would something like this work22:24
rwa_https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/how-customize-dtb-device-tree-binary-on-raspberry-pi/22:24
gordon1if it succeeds, you can apply following patch https://bpa.st/GOEUM/raw and do make dtbs - this will produce new rk3588-mnt-reform2-dsi.dtb that you can place in /boot22:24
gordon1i mean it might22:24
gordon1but i won't guarantee the result22:24
gordon1actually let me try to decompile dtb like that22:24
gordon1stand by22:25
gordon1rwa_: .dts produced is ugly a/f but it compiled back to byte-to-byte the same .dtb so i guess it must be safe to try22:28
gordon1rwa_: that is my diff https://bpa.st/EJSRO/raw22:29
gordon1i mean that is your patch, opposite to my diff22:30
gordon1you have to replace 0xc350 with 0x4c4b4022:30
rwa_yep22:30
gordon1rwa_: you can try to verify newly made dtb with vbindiff tool, it should show the difference only in 3 bytes22:32
gordon1https://tinystash.undef.im/il/5KAfciMA1XV7FSEXY3E1Vfuu9bQKJ1HQS1sHZbSfrKYaz2rn2caqhUfAFkDouJZmZKy6g4VhQecoj6npJ1butjEy.png22:33
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rwa_thanks, will give it a try22:35
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rwa_currently reading a bit about dtos, might be worth a try as well22:50
gordon1rwa_: that is a _proper_ way, however u-boot needs to load those22:54
gordon1if it can be specified through extlinux.conf then i would strongly recommend using dtos22:54
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