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rick_is there currently a way to tell the firmware to cap the battery charging at a specific cab? like 80%? i heard its better for batteries when they pluged in for a longer period of time. i use the pocket as my daily driver and when i'm at home, so its mostly plugged in. Or doesn't make e difference with these kind of batteries?09:33
minuterick_: not yet. but sounds like a good idea to implement11:20
minuterick_: there isn't a mechanism yet to configure charging settings/behavior from linux, but that could be useful to think about (cc ch)11:21
[tj]is there an updated timeline on rk3588 module orders?11:30
minute[tj]: yes i think the updated table will be deployed very soon on support.mnt.re 11:38
[tj]thanks11:38
rick_minute thanks for the info ^^ btw i hope everything goes well with your surgery. pls let yourself fully recover before head again into workmode :311:59
gordon1minute: so i pulled the heatsink from my reform classic, covered bottom in polyimide tape almost completely, sans square for the CPU and it looks like it helped with DMA dmesg issue, i didn't observe those in dmesg for quite some days now, which really puzzles me because i don't think i can spot any component that is tall enough to cause interference with heatsink...12:08
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rwa_hm, seems like something (i.e. my own actions or changes related to reform-tools 1.83) "killed" my system, it now drops to an initramfs shell13:15
rwa_ok, he can't find the nvme anymore...gonna flash an sd card and see if that boots13:29
joschoh crap sorry13:42
joschrwa_: did you also flash a new u-boot?13:43
rwa_yes, i did - the first reboot after updating reform-tools and reform2-lpc-dkms worked, then i updated uboot on emmc13:46
joschrwa_: what's your platform?13:48
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rwa_it told me to check that nvme has no /boot/boot.scr - maybe i missed something and there has been one, /boot has been on emmc until now13:48
joschclassic reform with rk3588 dsi, right?13:48
rwa_correct13:48
joschrwa_: when you flashed u-boot there should've been a warning message -- did that appear?13:48
rwa_kernel log looks fine to the point its looking for / on nvme, so obviously it knows that / is on nvme but nvme does not show up in /dev when it drops to busybox13:53
rwa_a warning about checking that no boot.scr is there on nvme? yes that did show up13:54
joschokay, good13:54
joschdamn i'm sorry this happened13:54
joschi'll do the upgrade test again13:54
joschyou had the standard reform-setup-encrypted-disk setup?13:54
josch/boot on emmc and luks on nvme?13:55
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rwa_no luks, /boot on emmc and a plain / on nvme14:07
joschrwa_: and your / on nvme, does the /boot direltory in it contain anything?14:08
rwa_i'll check that later14:11
rwa_sd card with trixie image won't boot successfully, the display turns on and after a while turns off again14:12
rwa_gonna try a sid image from mnt14:12
joschrwa_: just trixie or trixie+backports?14:14
rwa_ah, my bad - wrong image14:26
rwa_thanks for the hint14:26
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rwa_ok, Trixie Backports image on sd card boots fine, /boot on nvme is emtpy15:15
joschrwa_: but does it see the nvme? You said that it does not show up in /dev in busybox rescue shell15:31
rwa_yes, the system booted from sd card can see both the emmc and the nvme15:32
rwa_i only updated u-boot on emmc iirc, not on nvme15:32
joschrk3588 will not read u-boot from nvme15:33
joschsince you can boot from sd-card at least u-boot itself on your emmc is not borked15:33
gordon1btw can i force the boot from sd somehow, for example if emmc has right magic but broken u-boot? Will rk3588 boot from sd card first and then fall back to emmc?15:35
rwa_i'll update reform-tools to 1.83 on this image and check again what reform-check says15:35
joschgordon1: yes, the order with new u-boot is: sd, nvme, emmc, usb15:37
rwa_ah, let me try something15:37
gordon1josch: yeah, but that assumes u-boot on emmc works, doesn't it?15:37
joschgordon1: yes, if u-boot on emmc is borked, you soft-bricked your device. rk3588 is not imx8mq15:38
joschwith imx8mq there was a dip switch which allowed you to select where the som is supposed to read u-boot from15:38
gordon1yeah, so i need to unleash my rkdeveltool then i guess15:38
joschgordon1: this is also why reform-flash-uboot prints a warning if you attempt to write u-boot to emmc on rk358815:39
gordon1i wonder which usb then i need to use15:39
gordon1for rkdeveltool15:39
rwa_omg, fixed it15:40
joschwow what was it?15:41
rwa_completely unrelated to reform-tools update15:41
cwebberhey everyone!15:41
josch_o/15:41
cwebberminute: can I just say the Quasar updates have me HYPED15:41
gordon1oh ffs https://wiki.t-firefly.com/en/iCore-3588Q/_images/upgrade_maskrom_test_points_core.jpg15:41
cwebberkeep it up keep it upppppp15:41
gordon1i think i'll postpone u-boot experiments15:42
joschgordon1: oups :)15:42
cwebberjosch: from a week ago https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/11584543701419719015:42
joschgordon1: no, you can experiment: the trick is to zero out emmc and then rk3588 will fall back to trying sd-card15:42
gordon1also still have no idea where is the usb i need to use15:42
cwebberblender running etc15:43
cwebberand also https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/11585404817008004215:43
joschcwebber: and it supposedly stays very cool as well (so maybe extra little power draw)15:43
chgordon1: yeah the maskrom stuff is annoying there :(15:44
gordon1ch: oh, so do you know which use then if you tried it?15:44
gordon1or how to get to usb i guess more correct question15:45
rwa_josch: reform-tools told me that there the uboot is using extlinux.conf but boot.scr is available as well - and i moved extlinux.conf away cause i thought i don't need it anyway :D15:45
joschcwebber: though it has less connectivity options compared to rk3588 (pci-e etc) and it cannot do kvm was the last thing that lucie told me15:45
rwa_so it was PEBKAC all the way15:45
joschrwa_: you had a boot.scr somewhere? where?15:46
chgordon1: i tried it but failed. zeroed uboot on emmc then to avoid fiddling around15:46
cwebberjosch: ah well that's a little bit too bad but wasn't that similar with the banana pi?15:47
joschgordon1, ch: these days, reform-flash-uboot has a --zero option which allows you to zero out u-boot without wiping your partition table :)15:47
rwa_josch: I: probably booting via /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf (/boot/boot.scr also exists)15:47
cwebberlost one input but used an adapter to put in my ssd15:47
gordon1i guess i can always order carrier board from firefly15:47
rwa_is the output of reform-tools15:47
joschcwebber: a311d can do kvm just fine15:47
cwebberoh I meant the inputs15:47
joschrwa_: hrm... i still don't understand -- how did that mess up your boot?15:47
joschcwebber: ah yes, a311d also doesn't have many pci-e options15:48
rwa_i messed it up myself by removing extlinux.conf i guess15:48
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cwebberI think that's ok becausee like the bpi it also provides its own wifi chip15:48
rwa_now extlinux.conf is back in place and it works again like it did before15:48
joschrwa_: do you think there is something reform-check can do to warn you?15:48
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cwebberthat's really great that it stays cool15:48
rwa_not sure, maybe it's just me still not fully understanding the boot process :)15:49
cwebberbtw when I opened my pocket i noticed there was a surprise extra usb-c port on the motherboard, curious whether that's hooked up to anything on the rk3588, I imagine not??15:49
joschcwebber: i haven't heard of the wifi yet -- i'm cautious about that because qualcomm wifi is a complete mess in other places (out of tree driver)15:49
joschrwa_: can you elaborate?15:49
[tj]josch: it is connected to the sysctl15:50
[tj]errr rwa_ 15:50
joschcwebber: you mean the usb port to flash sysctl?15:50
cwebberoh is that what it is15:50
joschcwebber: but you have to move the jumpers to use it15:50
[tj]yeah it is the get out of jail card15:51
cwebberjosch: oh really re: wifi? that's too bad15:51
cwebbertj: cool thx15:51
joschcwebber: i'm not saying it's bad with quasar, i'm saying it's bad elsewhere15:51
joschso it's at least not something to take for granted without checking first15:51
joschcwebber: for example imx8m+ has the Qualcomm QCA9377 wifi chip which requires really bad stunts to get working :/15:52
joschthe out-of tree driver is 767781 lines of code and take 20 minutes to compile on imx8m+15:53
joschthis makes it a bad fit to ship as a dkms module15:53
joschit is the one big thing where MNT repo and reform.d.n differ15:54
cwebberhm hm yeah15:54
joschlucie decided to build these 0.8 mill lines of code on MNT gitlab CI, put that into a deb and "apt install" that deb as part of the kernel post installation hook15:54
joschand we cannot have wifi in debian installer because it doesn't allow for dkms drivers15:55
joschand even if it would, who wants to wait 20 minutes for the driver to compile before debian installar starts?15:55
joschbut maybe everything is okay15:55
joschbut this mess makes me cautious about qualcomm15:55
cwebberI see yeah15:56
rwa_afaiu u-boot either uses extlinux.conf OR boot.scr for booting the full kernel after initramfs, as both extlinux.conf and boot.scr are there i assumed that extlinux.conf can be removed as u-boot will pick up boot.scr15:56
cwebberbtw have I mentioned I have been daily driver'ing my pocket for about a month now?15:57
joschrwa_: u-boot prefers extlinux.conf to boot.scr and uses whichever it finds first to load both kernel and initramfs15:57
joschrwa_: you can remove extlinux.conf but only once you made sure that your boot.scr is fine (needs flash-kernel to have it generate one)15:57
joschcwebber: nice! \*/15:57
rwa_thanks for the clarification15:58
joschi haven't had brownouts due to the old charger board for the pocket for a while15:58
cwebberthank you josch and everyone in here who have answered SO many foolish questions I have had15:58
joschyour questions are not foolish and you are very welcome!15:58
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rwa_josch: recreated /boot/boot.scr with flash-kernel (seems to have been already updated though, file timestamp was from today), moved extlinux.conf away but again it does not see the nvme anymore on reboot16:05
joschrwa_: then what was the problem you had solved earlier?16:06
gordon1okay, so one of the USB OTGs from icore is routed to external usb port (one closest to HDMI), so theoretically if you enter maskrom and use usb a2a cable you can potentially connect it to rkdeveloptool16:09
gordon1not sure if that can work on any OTG port or only on specific one16:10
rwa_josch: not sure i get your question - moving away extlinux.conf broke my boot process, moving it back in place made it work again with the boot.scr that has been created at 12:52 during the update of reform-tools to 1.8316:20
rwa_when the system successfully booted i ran "sudo flash-kernel" to update boot.scr, this was successfull, but the system wont see the nvme anymore during boot16:21
rwa_even if extlinux.conf is there16:21
rwa_turns out that the newly "boot.scr" is different than the "boot.scr.bak" from 12:52 - after restoring the later file to boot.scr boot works again16:23
rwa_not sure if it's me creating a mess cause of limited understanding of boot process16:25
joschrwa_: theory: you have differing kernel cmdline parameters depending on whether you use boot.scr or extlinux.conf16:46
joschrwa_: can you share both so that we can have a look?16:46
joschrwa_: can you share your /proc/cmdline in the non-working case from initramfs busybox rescue shell?16:47
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minutecwebber: cool @ hype!17:19
minutejosch: cwebber: we are not using qualcomm socs with integrated wifi. also, we have a pcie switch chip to have enough pcie.17:21
minutejosch: cwebber: we'll continue to use intel wifi17:22
joschminute: i remember you listing some reasons why to stick with rk3588 and pci among them -- did you mean something else?17:22
minuteas it is the best one so far17:22
minutejosch: max 16gb ram i think but that doesn't matter much now in this new ramless world17:22
joschhaha yes17:22
minutejosch: it just doesn't have that much native pcie lanes as the rk. so we have to split up pcie 2.0 with an external pcie packet switch.17:23
minutebut it should still be enough bandwidth for most use cases i think17:24
siviq0/17:24
minutei think the only real downside is no kvm because of gunyah hypervisor17:24
minutebut who knows maybe one day they'll allow to turn it off...17:25
minuteor someone cooks up an exploit17:25
minutewhich i won't encourage of course17:25
minute(dmca)17:25
siviqOn the topic about the RAM shortage... I posted my current laptop for sale a month ago. Among the all stats, it has 2x16GB RAM and I figured the feature is uncertain, so took it down from sale. Better keep my guns for now.17:26
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chi love that heise cant add links to the projects they describe. the 80% charge limit mentioned here sounds intesting though: https://www.heise.de/news/auto-cpufreq-3-0-Bessere-CPU-Kontrolle-fuer-laengere-Akkulaufzeit-unter-Linux-11138120.html18:42
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chhttps://www.yankodesign.com/2026/01/08/keychrons-nape-pro-turns-your-mechanical-keyboard-into-a-laptop-style-trackball-rig-hands-on-at-ces-2026/19:36
^alexread that as "Keychron Vape Pro" and was _very_ confused for a moment19:40
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cwebberOh nice it looks a lot like the ZSA Voyager's Navigator accessory https://www.zsa.io/voyager/navigator19:46
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spewhas anyone built a stand-alone thing for the reform trackball?20:08
spewI would definitely buy a single combined standalone keyboard/trackball case20:10
minutea longer time ago we had some prototypes but they weren't very ergonomic yet :D20:11
joschspew: i've built a standalone bluetooth reform keyboard/trackball thing in the past20:11
josch(and yes, not ergonomic at all)20:11
joschminute: but i hear that there is now the option to do the same with the pocket keyboard :)20:11
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minutejosch: looks like making a wifi hotspot in gnome has a silent dependency on dnsmasq20:54
minuteJan 12 20:49:10 mntmnt NetworkManager[813]: <warn>  [1768247350.2134] device (wlP3p49s0): ip:shared4: could not start dnsmasq: Could not find "dnsmasq" binary20:55
minuteJan 12 20:49:41 mntmnt NetworkManager[813]: <info>  [1768247381.9181] device (wlP3p49s0): state change: ip-config -> failed (reason 'ip-config-unavailable', managed-type: 'full')20:55
minutelol but then > Jan 12 20:55:33 mntmnt dnsmasq[17907]: failed to create listening socket for 10.42.0.1: Address already in use20:56
chdnsmasq-base i think20:56
minutewtf20:56
minutei guess dnsmasq is already running there m))20:57
minute> sudo systemctl disable dnsmasq.service20:57
vagrantc"hidden" as a Recommends on dnsmasq-base in network-manager? :)21:12
minuteah recommends...21:12
minutethere's no user facing error message afaik if that's missing though21:12
minute(you have to know to check NetworkManager journal)21:13
vagrantcnot installing recommends presumes that you know what you are doing and know how to check for weird problems21:13
vagrantcand to ... expect weird problems21:14
minuteyeah i don't think i'd install networkmanager manually, so it could be that it's an issue with how our system image is built21:14
minuteor maybe i did strange things with this reform next21:14
minuteanyway, could be nothing, just wanted to confirm21:15
joschi still think it's an anti-pattern of "user friendly" interfaces to hide error messages... In this case it's a missing recommends, okay but this design pattern is not limited to those and it feels like on other operating systems: without a good error message you cannot even ask somebody who potentially could help you :(21:15
joschminute: yes, system images are built without recommends -- otherwise the size would be blown out of proportion because of what gnome pulls in with recommends enabled21:16
vagrantcuh-oh.21:16
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joschvagrantc: even without recommends we have 20 GiB per gitlab CI run21:17
minutejosch: ok, then we should add dnsmasq-base21:20
rwa_josch: non working case has an additional "plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles" that is not there when booting from sd card21:23
joschrwa_: if you don't have plymouth installed that should make a difference21:24
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rwa_josch: removed this arg, now its booting again21:29
joscho021:29
rwa_i wonder if this is not related to anything in boot.scr or extlinux.conf but some sort of race condition 21:29
rwa_or my head is just nuts today21:30
rwa_lol, rebooted again and nvme is gone again21:31
joschrwa_: without you changing anything?21:31
joschmaybe something changed in kernel 6.18 which makes your nvme flaky?21:31
rwa_jep, only said "shutdown" in gnome and started with circle+121:32
rwa_iCm running 6.17.13nfrom trixie backports21:32
joschoh wait, so not related to 6.1821:32
joschrwa_: and not related to plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles either, this was just a fluke, yes?21:33
joschminute: dnsmasq-base will be added as part of this commit https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/155/diffs?commit_id=d0f85f6964604dfac6ec3ebdd7f8900834e9695a21:34
rwa_yes, plymouth param seems unrelated21:34
joschminute: i also had to manually install it on my pocket reform where i need dnsmasq for tethering with classic reform21:34
minutejosch: thanks!21:39
joschrwa_: another question: how do you get the new reform-tools if you are on trixie+backports?21:39
minuterwa_: try reseating the ssd21:39
rwa_donwnloaded the packages for reform-tools and reform2-lpc-dkms from debian mirror and installed manually21:40
rwa_will do so21:40
joschrwa_: should work maybe but be careful as the packages you are using were built on unstable and not on a trixie system21:41
rwa_yes, i'm aware - worked without issues until now (if it is related to reform-tools at all)21:42
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^alexgood news, the Pocket Reform charges off of a Tufteln USB-C PD converter23:25
^alexand thus our LiFePO4 battery23:25
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