| minute | frohes neues! | 00:02 |
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| josch | _o/ | 00:02 |
| + pomel0 (~pomel0@user/pomel0) | 00:09 | |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@h69.128.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) | 02:25 | |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@146.71.9.156) | 03:21 | |
| lidstah | happy new year! (so in german, it's said "Frohes Neues"? just read the backlog here, TIL :)) | 03:30 |
| - paperManu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~paperManu@146.71.9.156) | 06:20 | |
| josch | gordon1: OpenSCAD :) | 08:09 |
| josch | gordon1: thank you for your PCB design! I turned the relevant mechanical part into a small 3D model so that I can test the position and size of your current version without manufacturing an expensive PCB first | 08:11 |
| josch | i put a rendering and openscad model here as this is only temporary anyways: https://source.mnt.re/gordon/reform/-/issues/1 | 08:11 |
| - switchy (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~switchy@mechboards/switchy) | 09:32 | |
| + switchy (~switchy@mechboards/switchy) | 09:47 | |
| + Gooberpatrol_66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 10:03 | |
| - switchy (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (~switchy@mechboards/switchy) | 10:03 | |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 10:04 | |
| + switchy (~switchy@mechboards/switchy) | 10:16 | |
| gordon1 | josch: i asked just because i wanted to put dimensions of the screw holes somewhere but decided to put it right in kicad's pcb, so i guess that is the best cad-agnostic approach | 10:33 |
| gordon1 | uh, would be cool to make keycap models to put in kicad's 3d render | 10:37 |
| gordon1 | never tried to do it from openscad, i guess .step should work | 10:37 |
| josch | gordon1: i think keeping things in kicad is fine | 11:34 |
| josch | i can also render the keycaps into something like step or stl once i'm satisfied | 11:34 |
| gordon1 | there is a keycap/switch model in the kicad project, i just wanted do add a cut for trackpoint stick | 11:41 |
| gordon1 | i just wonder how would be easier to do that | 11:41 |
| josch | gordon1: but having the keycaps with the cut in kicad is just a nice-to-have, no? | 11:51 |
| gordon1 | yes, pretty much | 11:51 |
| gordon1 | not required for manufacture | 11:51 |
| josch | gordon1: do you still want to add a usb-hub and some jst connectors to the board? | 11:52 |
| gordon1 | nah, i'm still thinking on how to do that, i'll probably opt out for a separate board | 11:52 |
| josch | indeed. I also recently saw https://social.sdfeu.org/@realleif/115815246064620291 but unfortunately the usb D+/D- pins are not connected on the classic motherboard | 11:53 |
| josch | it would require something like a pci root hub as i understand... | 11:53 |
| gordon1 | yeah, just saw that | 11:54 |
| josch | another thing i thought of was a small board that could be plugged into the ribbon connector from rcore to the wifi extension board | 11:54 |
| gordon1 | not for classic | 11:54 |
| josch | that board would just forward the pci-e signal but would split off the usb lines into a hub, feed one of the hub's output back into the ribbon cabe for the wifi extension board and offer the other additional ports as jst connectors | 11:55 |
| gordon1 | i think i can make a board with jst connector mounted vertically, i know the trick, just need to test it first if it can be removed or not | 11:55 |
| josch | you mean a board which plugs into the existing jst connectors on the motherboard directly and split off from there? | 11:58 |
| gordon1 | yep, there are two near each other where trackball and keyboard plug in, i can just make a board with two vertical jst connectors that plug in there and fixed with a screw like antenna mezzanine on the other side | 12:02 |
| gordon1 | actually there is a second option, there is a trackball flat flex in the keyboard, isn't it? keyboard fw just need to be modified to support it and then trackball can be unplugged completely | 12:03 |
| gordon1 | tempting | 12:05 |
| gordon1 | anyone knows if those flat-flex connectors are double-sided or single-sided? | 12:06 |
| josch | the advantage of creating a plug-in mezzanine board for the mouse/kb connector on the motherboard would be that such a hub would also benefit those who are not using keyboard v4 | 12:13 |
| gordon1 | good point | 12:14 |
| josch | my feeling is also that no screw would be strictly necessary to keep this plugged in -- i'd assume that the jst connector is already strong enough to hold a tiny pcb | 12:14 |
| josch | gordon1: if you size it right or if you add a way to add an additional plastic spacer, then the board in the two jst connectors on the motherboard could be held in place simply because it sits flush with the bottom acrylic and as long as the acrylic is closed it cannot slip/rattle out of the connector | 12:35 |
| gordon1 | i think it can rest on the usb connectors, but i need to measure it | 12:36 |
| - jah (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~jahkosha@user/jahkosha) | 13:11 | |
| + jahkosha (~jahkosha@user/jahkosha) | 13:11 | |
| * jahkosha -> jah | 13:11 | |
| josch | okay, so i may need to change my sensor board or need a different idea of how to attach the stem. My sensor looks like this: | 14:08 |
| josch | https://floss.social/@josch/115344929421346133 | 14:08 |
| josch | that small metal pin is 2.95 mm in diameter | 14:09 |
| josch | the hole in the keyboard cannot be much larger than a diameter of 4 mm (which is its current size) | 14:09 |
| josch | this means that if i want to slip something over the meta pin, then the wall thickness of that thing must be less than 0.5 mm. That's way too thin for plastic. | 14:10 |
| gordon1 | sounds like machining is necessary | 14:14 |
| gordon1 | no lathe in your local hackspace? | 14:14 |
| gordon1 | sounds like very easy machining job | 14:15 |
| josch | would take a few days until i manage to get there and i also have the scenario in mind where others want to perform the same mod -- would be sad if everybody first had to machine the stem some | 14:17 |
| gordon1 | tbh 0.5mm printed part does not sound impossible, just need to be stress-tested | 14:19 |
| josch | maybe. lets try that first then | 14:20 |
| josch | but it'd have to be 0.4 mm or otherwise it really collides with the pcb | 14:20 |
| gordon1 | 0.4mm will be pushing it, you want your extrusion width to be slightly wider than the nozzle (i assume you have 0.4mm nozzle) | 14:22 |
| josch | i'll be printing a couple of versions at the same time and see what works | 14:23 |
| josch | but i also have a few other nozzles here | 14:23 |
| gordon1 | i made the hole exactly 4mm but there are footprints for M4 clearance that is like 4.2mm or so | 14:23 |
| josch | bbl childcare now :) | 14:23 |
| josch | but we are slowly getting somewhere, i'm excited :) | 14:23 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@146.71.9.156) | 14:54 | |
| f_ | happy new year 2006 everyone | 16:04 |
| + siviq (~siviq@user/siviq) | 16:05 | |
| - siviq (QUIT: Client Quit) (~siviq@user/siviq) | 16:08 | |
| f_ | I'm not sure if I said this already, but RK3588 reform not being able to wake up from sleep doesn't seem uncommon in the rk3588 world | 16:13 |
| f_ | my rk3588 rock 5b+ also does not wake up from sleep. Entering sleep works just fine, but it cannot wake up afterwards | 16:14 |
| f_ | I also just heard that s2idle works on reform but takes huge amounts of power still, I guess that could be fine as a stop-gap solution, wouldn't be the only modern laptop I see that has to use s2idle for a little bit (I know of one lenovo x86 laptop which seems to have to use s2idle too, or, well, it seems to because it drains all its battery while in suspend very quickly :)) | 16:16 |
| gordon1 | we tried s2idle at the congress with 6.18.2 kernel, it didn't work, died somewhere in pcie driver | 16:19 |
| f_ | ah | 16:25 |
| gordon1 | which is a recurring theme in rk3588 suspend | 16:25 |
| f_ | anyway as for A311D I'll see if I can do some more research on that, because I'm convinced it's possible to get suspend working on that | 16:26 |
| f_ | I think it's the exact same problem that happens on A311D - suspend works fine, wake up does not work | 16:26 |
| f_ | and I believe that's because you use BPI-CM4 bl30+bl301 blobs untouched, wouldn't you know it, wakeup sources are typically hardcoded in bl301 | 16:27 |
| f_ | A311D is mainly in use on TV boxes, and on those, usually people would expect their box to turn on when they press the power button on their IR remote | 16:28 |
| f_ | so vendors hardcode which button wakes up the board in the firmware typically | 16:28 |
| f_ | there are basically a few #define's that vendors change to match their IR remote setup | 16:29 |
| + spew (~spew@user/spew) | 16:37 | |
| josch | gordon1: i'm now printing a mock-up pcb, keycaps and stemps of different inner and outer diameter -- lets see what works https://mister-muffin.de/p/fzzG.png | 16:54 |
| josch | (will of course also be highly printer dependent but we have to start somewhere) | 16:54 |
| gordon1 | good enough | 16:55 |
| josch | s/stemps/stems/ | 16:56 |
| gordon1 | josch: just a trick, sometimes it worth printing the thing with inside diameter slightly smaller than you need and then just drilling/reaming it to precise diameter | 16:56 |
| gordon1 | might work better than just printing directly | 16:56 |
| josch | i did something similar with the last stem but i heated up the metal pin and then that slightly melted the plastic | 16:56 |
| gordon1 | that also works | 16:56 |
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| ysionneau | happy new year reform people! | 19:49 |
| ysionneau | i wish you lot of cool electronics and open source stuff, and lots of love and good health | 19:49 |
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| minute | yay | 21:36 |
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| josch | 21:58 | |
| josch | whoops sorry | 22:01 |
| josch | heh may as well mirror the good wishes -- hope you all are going to have a wonderful new year :) | 22:01 |
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| josch | okay, so... | 23:02 |
| josch | i have this adapter which allows me to put an m.2 card into the mini-pcie slot of classic motherboard 3.0 | 23:03 |
| josch | that adapter comes with a sim card holder, so i have the quectel em-06e in it | 23:03 |
| josch | now of course the mini-pcie slot of motherboard 3.0 is without usb signal, so i soldered two wires to D+ and D- of the mini-pcie/m.2 adapter and connected those to the usb port on the motherboard where i had my trackball before | 23:04 |
| josch | this didn't work when booting and all i got was a bunch of | 23:04 |
| josch | device descriptor read/64, error -32 | 23:04 |
| josch | device not accepting address 10, error -32 | 23:05 |
| josch | unable to enumerate USB device | 23:05 |
| josch | etc... | 23:05 |
| - kensanata (QUIT: Quit: OK) (~alex@user/kensanata) | 23:05 | |
| josch | i un-plugged and re-plugged the usb cable a bunch of times and at some point i had this in my dmesg: | 23:05 |
| josch | https://mister-muffin.de/p/wVRh.txt | 23:05 |
| + kensanata (~alex@user/kensanata) | 23:05 | |
| josch | including motivating lines like: | 23:07 |
| josch | usb 3-1.3: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB0 | 23:07 |
| josch | but in contrast to the dmesg on the pocket reform, nothing there mentions quectel and lsusb doesn't list it (in contrast to the pocket reform) | 23:08 |
| josch | does anybody have ideas of what i could try next? | 23:08 |
| josch | ah it just failed because of "USB disconnect" and "device not accepting address 50, error -71" as well as "unable to get BOS descriptor or descriptor too short" and "unable to read config index 0 descriptor/all" | 23:10 |
| josch | i mean it might as well be the mini-pcie/m.2 adapter that is borked -- i have no other device to test it | 23:15 |
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