2025-12-20.log

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cwebberI do have a charger board v2 josch !00:19
cwebberjosch: ah! ok I will try the trixie-backports thing :)00:19
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elbso what's the scoop on this udev that keeps tellign me not to update because some user's custom kernel wouldn't boot03:55
elbare people running it without issue?03:55
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joschelb: what's "this udev"?07:14
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chwe don't do scoops, we're not a news magazine?10:56
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minuteelb: you have some logs?12:37
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minutejosch: we want the caps->texture_transfer_modes = PIPE_TEXTURE_TRANSFER_BLIT; after all in mesa i think... i'll try to check why/if they don't wanna upstream it16:04
elbjosch, minute: every time I've updated for many weeks, apt-listbugs reports that the available udev has a blocking bug and asks if I want to pin it16:06
elbit sounds like you must have overridden, if you're not seeing that?16:06
minuteelb: ah weird. i've disabled apt-listbugs because it was too slow for impatient me16:06
elbwhat I'm hearing is it's safe to update ;-)16:07
chi've now downgraded debian bug #112120916:08
minutejust realized i was still using mostly gnome 48, now upgrading16:11
minutesystem is more snappy with PIPE_TEXTURE_TRANSFER_BLIT16:11
minutefinally emacs is usable again fullscreen...16:19
elbfullscreen emacs on the pocket is great16:21
elbsway fullscreen behavior is not16:22
elbin general, sway ... tries16:22
minuteelb: ah maybe the issue doesn't happen either on sway or on the internal display16:22
minute(the texture conversion issues i'm facing)16:22
minute(yeah i think sway doesn't have this issue as it still supports GLES2 / is built for GLES2)16:23
minuteIIRC gnome/mutter removed the gles2 renderer and so we have non optimal textures now for gtk316:24
minute(gtk4 is fine tho)16:24
elbI feel like a desktop environment should be able to live with the ES restrictions, but tha'ts not my wheelhouse, so16:25
elbnow updates without complaint :-)16:25
minuteyeah there was a big discussion about this, rmader who is working on gnome (and firefox) himself took a stance of supporting gles2 but there wasn't a majority for it16:26
elbhmmm I somehow broke my erc prompt16:26
elbch: and it now updates without complaint :-)16:26
elbthank you16:26
elbminute: I mean, this gets into politics, but that has been one of my gripes for GNOME for a long time, I'm not sure exactly who they're trying to serve, and I'm not sure they know, either16:27
minuteelb: btw chance question: do you know if there's a good code navigation mode for emacs that's basically like a symbol tree for LSP or treesitter? i.e. where i could always see all functions of a file (or even integrated in a file tree). 16:27
minuteelb: hmm i don't think there is a consensus about it, just lets say movements and individuals putting in this work or that work16:28
elbuh I don't use such a thing that's awlways on, but I'm sure I've seen one in screen shots on r/emacs or whatever; imenu will give it to you on demand16:28
minuteelb: in general i think the main focus is still on intel/amd pc desktops/laptops16:28
minuteelb: alright @ imenu16:28
elbtreemacs might know how to do this with lsp16:29
elbI'm jealous of my screen space so I don't leave navigation elements visible :-)16:29
minuteright, this looks somewhat like sth i'd want https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1c216kr/experimenting_with_tree_sitter_and_imenulist/16:29
elbI'm a (scroll-bar-mode -1) kind of guy16:30
minuteelb: yeah totally, on demand is also fine. it could stay open on big screens where i got the space16:30
elbyou can configure which elements appear in imenu, too, it treats the document as an outline and shows a configurable set of outline levels; LSP makes all top-level symbosl headings or whatever16:30
elbI use it unreliably16:31
elbM-. and M-, are my navigation tools of choice ;-)16:31
minuteohhh16:33
minuteah those are for ctags (?)16:33
elbthey work with lsp16:34
elbM-. takes you to the place that the symbol under cursor is defined, and M-, pops the stack of such navigation movements16:35
elbso you can M-. to see where this came from, then M-, to get back, or drill a few down and pop back out16:35
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+ voltaire28_ (~jlafon@28.162.2.93.rev.sfr.net)17:12
voltaire28_Is there a Bluetooth mouse that works with the MNT Pocket Reform?17:15
f_btw, the forum link in https://mnt.re/media/reform_md/2024-09-09-introducing-mnt-reform-next.html is broken (goes to https://mnt.re/media/reform_md/community.mntre.com)17:32
- buckket (QUIT: Quit: buckket) (~buckket@vps.buckket.org)17:37
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elbvoltaire28_: with the default wi-fi card, I don't have bluetooth at all17:39
minuteelb: ok, cool, will have to test that17:44
minuteimenu indeed did what i was looking for, in flat mode17:45
minutealso i setup vertico and marginalia now17:45
- guiller (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3) (~guiller@user/guiller)18:07
+ mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)18:14
elbyeah I've switched to vertico (I used ivy for a long time) recently for various reasons, I like it a lot18:25
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