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| grimmware | ugh, looks like I have screen damage :( | 12:54 |
| grimmware | no idea how that happened. | 12:54 |
| grimmware | I guess that clinches it on whether I'm just going to get a v2 display or not | 12:55 |
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| frickler | so ... gnome is showing me a popup message that the gnome project needs support ... is this what debian has come to allow now? (or is this something some reform tooling does?) | 14:48 |
| minute | frickler: i had a similar knee-jerk reaction at first but then i was like, gnome is a nonprofit, it's ok for them to ask for a donation, other software does it as well... it's perhaps just an unusual format | 14:55 |
| minute | for example, vim asks to support a specific cause each time it's started (has since forever) | 14:56 |
| minute | firefox normally has built in ads for amazon, otto (in germany) and others which we disable using prefs | 14:57 |
| minute | but it still uses google search by default which then shows you ads etc etc | 14:57 |
| minute | i hope we'll be profitable one day so i can regularly donate to the most important foss projects | 14:59 |
| minute | in the end, we're benefiting immensely from gnome, so it would feel wrong for me to patch out their donation pledge... which they probably wouldn't put there if it wasn't needed | 15:01 |
| kop316 | frickler: org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.housekeeping donation-reminder-enabled controls it, I originally saw it on my phone | 15:02 |
| minute | it's normally only shown once | 15:02 |
| minute | or not? | 15:02 |
| kop316 | minute: IIRC it shows every few months, I can look for the MR again | 15:03 |
| minute | kop316: hm | 15:03 |
| frickler | I saw it for the first time today, can't tell yet. and yes, I do understand the need, but then what about the 100s of other projects that are needed to run gnome and display that ad? | 15:04 |
| frickler | if everyone did that, I maybe wouldn't want to run debian any longer, that's the concern I have with this | 15:06 |
| kop316 | my personal opinion: making it a notification is in poor taste, and not every app can do this (e.g. backend libs). I can understand if it's in the about page and there's a link there (I do that in some of my apps), but if GNOME is allowed to do this, what about making a notification for my apps to donate to me? | 15:06 |
| kop316 | (I think frickler is bringing the same concern) | 15:07 |
| kop316 | But regardless, this is a default in Debian. I think a good place to discuss if Debian should suppress it is in a Debian Bug | 15:08 |
| minute | i see. yeah, the location/format is questionable, as i said | 15:08 |
| kop316 | Fair, sorry I didn't catch that part! | 15:08 |
| frickler | kop316: yes, I'd agree with your wording. and I agree that this discussion belong to the debian, but that community is too large for me and here is such a nice cosy corner ;) | 15:10 |
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| kop316 | frickler: it's pretty easy to file a bug actually! And I already vented about this in the Mobian space, which is why my reaction is a bit more muted (it wasn't when I got it on my phone) | 15:11 |
| kop316 | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/-/commit/c43f6b8c4dddead23b3939943357e8faf185216a here's the commit that added it | 15:12 |
| frickler | kop316: thx for the pointer. I'm not sure yet whether I've vented enough already for now. maybe in 6 months then ... ;) | 15:15 |
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| pinsl | quick question: why did you choose the rp235X variant without internal flash for the next's motherboard? | 15:48 |
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| josch | frickler: debian does not forbid donation pop-ups. It is up to the maintainer whether they accept them or patch them out. | 22:58 |
| josch | kop316: if your app in debian displays this pop-up, the maintainer of your software in debian is allowed to leave that in. Gnome is far from being the only software with such a donation pop-up. | 23:00 |
| josch | frickler, kop316: if you dislike it (i agree) then please open a bug in the Debian BTS for it. If enough people complain, then the gnome team might reconsider. | 23:01 |
| josch | seems you can disable it by setting donation-reminder-enabled org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.housekeeping to false | 23:05 |
| josch | so since it can be disabled forever easily, i think any discussion would only be about whether it should be enabled by default or not | 23:09 |
| josch | And since it can be disabled easily i think i'd leave it in. Those who hate it can just disable it. | 23:10 |
| kop316 | josch: yeah that's why I didn't file a bug, if I can disable it that'sfine | 23:12 |
| josch | one of the gnome main maintainers pointed out that the gnome foundation is in a critical financial situation | 23:17 |
| josch | and that's why the donation nag will not be removed by them | 23:18 |
| josch | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1120511 | 23:18 |
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