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minutejosch: ah, so it's gone? (plymouth) that's fine them. it's just still on my personal systems, which have older software00:08
joschminute: yes, the commit that did that says: "With plymouth installed, even without "splash" in the linux kernel cmdline, the screen would get spammed with blue messages which hide the luks passphrase prompt."00:11
joschhttps://source.mnt.re/bugs/bugs/-/issues/4200:11
minutejosch: right. i still wanted to look into plymouth text mode one day, if there are config options00:14
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minute> If you want to disable the logging, append plymouth.boot-log=/dev/null. Alternatively, add plymouth.nolog which also disables console redirection.00:16
minutejosch: there are also multiple text mode themes. there is a text theme with progress bar00:16
joschminute: okay, but then how do you select text mode versus non-text mode depending on the platform?00:18
minutejosch: maybe the text mode is cool per se, i haven't tried it yet (but will)00:19
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cwebberdo the -any images work with... any of the boards?00:28
cwebberis there a reason to download reform-system-<foo>.img.gz specifically instead of the -any ones00:28
joschcwebber: no, if you have very old u-boot on imx8m+, then it will not work00:29
cwebberaha00:29
cwebberok00:29
cwebberI haven't updated the firmware on it either00:29
cwebberI'll grab the imx one specifically then00:30
joschgordon2: in the past, instead of --gpu-context=wayland I had to supply -vo=dmabuf-wayland to mpv to make v4l2request work00:44
gordon2i tried that but it didn't work00:44
joschokay00:44
gordon2but it maybe is because my wayland is weird00:44
gordon2i mean it didn't work at all, it produced no video, with or without hwdec00:45
sigridI have "exec dbus-update-activation-environment SWAYSOCK DISPLAY WAYLAND_DISPLAY XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=sway" in my sway config, perhaps that helped me get it working ootb00:46
gordon2(i have no dbus)00:46
gordon2but yeah it might be related to WAYLAND_DISPLAY, or XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP, need to try setting those00:47
gordon2nvm, WAYLAND_DISPLAY is set00:47
gordon2i'm pretty sure it is not required tho, i think wayland uses 0 by default00:48
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elbI'm over here just waiting for my current schedule crunch to ease up so I can get back to pocket reform hacking :-\04:20
grimmwareelb: hope you get some time soon, your proactivity has really inspired me to get back on it!04:36
grimmwareI'm away from home without my pocket at the moment and I miss it a lot04:37
elbI'm hoping that next week or by next weekend I should have some time, but then fiinals crunch is going to hit at some point04:51
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d_mhey folks, i think my LPC controller / OLED display is hung. what is the right way to reset it? i tried LPC RST which didn't seem to do anything.04:54
d_mi'm going to post on the forum but i figured i'd ask here in case anyone was around and had a quick answer04:56
d_mi think i must have had a brownout. the circle key was unresponsive until i plugged it in. circle-1 started the boot process but i think my usb-c adapter wasn't providing enough power so it seems like the boot aborted and the LPC is stuck.05:07
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cwebberWell, good news and bad news05:32
cwebberThe good news! I successfully upgraded my device to the Banana Pi! Hurrah!05:33
cwebberBad news: I ran the script to install the encrypted nvme, looked like it should have been fine, but it doesn't boot and I don't see any diagnostic info05:33
cwebberI suspect this is because I'm running the original release Reform Classic with the original release firmware but I dunno05:33
cwebberI suspect I need to update all the firmware things, but it's a lot of steps to do, and I haven't done them yet05:34
cwebbergoing to bed, ttyl05:34
d_mgoodnight05:40
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joschcwebber: do you have a uart serial adapter to figure out what is going on when it tries to boot?07:27
joschd_m: classic reform? oled display is keyboard so if that one is hung then you need to reset your keyboard not your motherboard07:29
joschsigrid, gordon2: both of you are using gpu-next, right? Because the patch series by Detlev Casanova seems to expect that and has no chance to apply to current releases (several missing files)07:31
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gordon2josch: correct10:39
gordon2at least for me10:39
gordon2what are those patches?10:39
joschI was looking at these: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20251023214247.459931-1-detlev.casanova@collabora.com/T/\#t20250508145624.4154317-1-tomeu@tomeuvizoso.net10:43
joschyou have those applied as well, no?10:43
joschminute: remember how we talked about whether it's smart or not to let reform-tools ship /usr/share/xdg-terminal-exec/sway-xdg-terminals.list and whether anybody would notice at all? Turns out it only took a few hours :D https://bugs.debian.org/112010910:44
gordon2sorry, i have 404 on link10:44
gordon2also those are kernel patches, how they are related to gpu-next?10:44
joschgordon2: sorry, that's because i copypasted from my terminal which automatically put a backslash in front of the hash in the url. Here is the unescaped url: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20251023214247.459931-1-detlev.casanova@collabora.com/T/#t20250508145624.4154317-1-tomeu@tomeuvizoso.net10:45
joschgordon2: as far as i understood sigrid, these patches are required for hardware accel with v4l2 on rk3588. And the patches are targetting gpu(-next) and have no chance to apply to mainline right now10:46
minutejosch: lmao, how annoying. and only because ptyxis decided to not create a new window by default...10:46
gordon2so i'm not sure if i have those patches, i have only patches from reform-debian-packages repo + few of mine, that's enough to make it work apparentl;y10:46
joschminute: nono, not annoying at all. I'm happy that people care and we'll find a better solution together. I'll handle it.10:46
minutejosch: ok, thank you!10:46
joschthank you for starting to get the ball rolling :)10:47
gordon2if those patches aren't in the reform-debian-packages repo then i don't have it and those are not required for gpu-next10:47
joschgordon2: thank you, then i'll try this out without those patches now10:48
gordon2i'm running 6.17.7, maybe those are merged?10:48
gordon2wow that's a massive patch10:48
joschyeah, mainline misses several files from it10:49
minutecwebber: how did you boot when you did the setup-encrypted-disk? did you boot from an sd card that you flashed with a current image? or was something on the bpi emmc flash that you booted and used?10:50
minutecwebber: perhaps you used sd card and then removed it, so there is no bootloader yet on emmc?10:51
gordon2something new from 6.17 from dmesg https://0x0.st/K98j.txt10:51
joschcwebber, minute: the current version of reform-boot-config includes a check for whether u-boot is on emmc or on sd-card and warns that the system will *not* boot anymore if the sd-card is removed10:51
minutecwebber: and regarding firmware, the sysctl and keyboard firmware don't have anything to do with booting, so they're not the cause.10:51
minutegordon2: yes i've also seen this and was surprised10:52
joschcwebber: if that was the cause it would be useful to find out whether the if/else branching i wrote did the right thing for you or not10:52
minutegordon2: because i've only seen that recently on qualcomm before, and don't know that subsystem yet10:52
gordon2well, apparently video-codec works, i guess?10:53
gordon2so *shrug*10:53
joschgordon2: does this look similar to the changes you have made? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/14810:53
joschthe MR is a draft not intended to be merged but as a place to experiment and discuss these changes10:54
joschi remember when with imx8mq we had ffmpeg patched and it was a pain to maintain the patch set...10:54
gordon2josch: oof, i mean i just took patches from here https://git.sr.ht/~ft/aports/tree/reform/item/community/ffmpeg https://git.sr.ht/~ft/aports/tree/reform/item/community/mpv10:55
gordon2let me check what else i did10:55
joschgood, these are the ones i used as well10:55
gordon2EXTRA_ECONF=--enable-v4l2-request10:56
gordon2that's for ffmpeg10:56
gordon2MYMESONARGS=-Dv4l2request=enabled10:56
joschi thought that if there is a Debian repo created by the MNT gitlab pipeline it'll make it easier for others to test and evaluate this10:56
gordon2that's for mpv10:56
gordon2nothing else10:56
joschgood, i have both of these in the MR as well10:56
gordon2oh, also i took only numbered patches for mpv, since gentoo has a patch for ffmpeg8 for mpv already and i don't really care about libcaca10:58
gordon2oh, and same for ffmpeg, i didn't take the chromium patch10:58
gordon2minute: https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/9/26/561 (work in progress i guess?)11:03
gordon2https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/9/26/100911:03
joschACTION is now building another imx8mq classic reform again (i had it completely taken apart to get parts :D)11:05
rwa_josch: how many reforms in its differen incarnations do you actually have? :D11:08
joschrwa_: one that i'm using daily as my one computer (i'm typing this on). One is our mediacenter pc with a311d and kodi on it. One with rk3588 which i am planning to migrate to as my main computer. The last one is the experiment machine which i use to test new system images on imx8mq, ls1028a and now also imx8m+. So the last one has its SoM cycled all the time.11:14
joschevery time i swap a SoM or change the wifi/ssd/keyboard/batteryboards it's a risk of me messing up and damaging something, so i thought about having another bare motherboard (no case) to have a stable setup with ls1028a at least (every time i touch the display cable my hands sweat...)11:16
minutegordon2: ah thanks! funny11:19
cwebberminute: I did boot from SD originally yeah11:25
cwebberjosch: it's possible I got a prompt that, since I was pretty sleepy, I missed what it was that it said11:26
cwebberI was getting pretty sleepy11:26
cwebberit's quite possible there's no bootloader yet on emmc11:26
minutecwebber: do you still have that sd and can you try plugging that in and booting?11:26
cwebberyeah I did, and it booted fine!11:26
minutecwebber: aha!11:26
minutecwebber: and did it ask you to decrypt?11:27
cwebberno11:27
minutecwebber: ah. so root is not on nvme according to lsblk?11:27
cwebberI think it wouldn't be but let me see11:27
minutecwebber: in any case, josch can help you debug this as he's the author of reform-setup-encrypted-disk11:28
minutecwebber: and good that you can still boot off sd card!11:28
joschcwebber: yes, bugs to me please :)11:29
cwebbermmcblk0p211:29
cwebberthat's where root is11:29
cwebberso it does seem like I need to get the bootloader onto the emmc11:30
cwebberhow do I do it, at this stage?11:30
joschmmcblk0p2 is your sd-card, that's what you are running right now11:30
cwebberyeah11:30
joschcwebber: sudo reform-flash-uboot emmc11:30
cwebberok I will try that!11:30
cwebberit works!!!11:35
joschnice :)11:35
cwebberthat's great, it means I can take this as my laptop on this trip11:35
cwebberjust in time!!!11:35
joschperfect :)11:35
joschyou'll have lots of fun with a311d11:35
cwebber:D11:35
joschit's the best SoM for the reform, hands down11:35
josch(i'm still in the process of convincing myself that rk3588 is an upgrade -- i might be getting there...)11:35
cwebberinteresting!11:35
cwebberit seems really nice sans "not quite enough ram to compile firefox"11:36
joschhahaha :D11:36
joschcwebber: my tip is to put this into your /etc/fstab11:36
cwebberwhich, as a guix user, occasionally ends up happening ;)11:36
joschoh, no wait after running reform-setup-encrypted-disk you already have swap11:36
cwebberoh nice11:37
joschcwebber: can you check the output of "free -m"11:37
cwebberok!11:37
cwebberI'm gonna shower so I can get ready first but then yea!11:37
joschit should show you a line "Swap:" which displays your swap space in megabytes11:37
cwebberI shoulda bought that new trackball when minute suggested it. The current one's (the Crowdfunding Original (TM)) firmware seems like it has a race condition when it boots and it doesn't start up in time or something with the banana pi and so I have to plug in an external mouse11:39
cwebberI tried flashing it but got pretty confused by the instructions11:39
cwebberbut that's not urgent11:39
joschoh, i also still have the original trackball but no problems11:40
cwebberorly?11:40
joschyup11:40
cwebberwell you probably upgraded the firmware yeah?11:40
cwebberI have not :)11:40
joschit was a long while ago :)11:40
joschbut now i have to leave as well11:40
cwebber:)11:40
joschttyl!11:40
cwebberttyl!11:40
cwebbershower time11:40
cwebberexcited to have this workin'11:40
cwebberthx for the help, josch and minute!11:40
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joschminute: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/ does not have a gitlab runner assigned -- could you assign one? :)13:27
d_mjosch: yes, it's a classic reform. let me check the manual about resetting keyboard13:32
d_mok i see the reset button, looks like it's the one just above the F4 key13:37
d_mjosch: keyboard reset worked! thanks!!13:49
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minutejosch: oh, boundary devices14:01
minuteit's been a long time14:01
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gordon2new dmesg stuff https://0x0.st/K9PR.txt14:46
gordon2again not sure it affects anything14:47
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joschminute: yeah, i'd like all the u-boots to behave similarly and set the env variables in a similar way and report their version in a similar format. I'm done with rk3588 and imx8m+. Now it's time for imx8mq and i wanted to test the pipeline artifacts instead of whatever i build here locally.15:20
minuteto whom it may concern: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-motherboard-30?taxon_id=1315:22
minuteand: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-charger-board-v2?taxon_id=1315:22
minutealso: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-display?taxon_id=1315:22
joschyeeeeees15:22
minuteand if needed: https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-trackball?taxon_id=1315:22
joschbtw, why is the charger board green and not MNT black like the rest?15:28
joschor a more funny color like purple :)15:28
sigridjosch: idk what the big difference between gpu vs gpu-next is supposed to be nor how it's related to linux kernel, but on my machine either gpu or gpu-next output works the same way with mpv15:31
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kop316minute if i bought the updated charger for the picket reform, coukd that be bundled with my uodated rk3588 pcb to save on shipping?16:42
minutekop316: maybe, but i'm not in charge of that, please make a ticket on support.mnt.re (if your order is older it might already be packed tho)17:07
minutejosch: it's actually black now17:08
joschnice :)17:12
joschand i assume i could repurpose the v1 board as a lipo charger?17:12
joschstandalone i mean17:12
joschhrm... could it become a mcguyver powerbank?17:13
joschi still have a usb-pd to 5V adapter here...17:13
minutejosch: i've assigned a runner for reform-boundary-uboot17:13
joschthank you! <317:13
minutejosch: i've thought about that @ lipo, right. you need a pico or other mcu to set up the charger though. rp2040/pico would be easiest because then you can just run sysctl on it.17:14
minutejosch: and connect the i2c lines to the same lines that pocket is using17:14
minutewell actually you need a fusb302 also ;/  17:15
minuteor you just comment out that pd code :D i guess ch could help17:15
minuteor maybe there's a little fusb302 breakout board17:15
minutewith usb-c connector17:15
joschoh right i forgot about that bit17:15
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joschuff finally i found my adafruit fusb302 breakout board \o/18:35
joschnow i just need a second rp2040 because the one i have is busy being an "on switch" :D18:36
sknebelminute: sorry if I missed existing documentation, but interesting info for the v3 motherboard would be what USB-C PD profile(s) it supports. (i.e. I assume it wants 20V, but can it charge off a 45W (~2A) PSU or does it need a beefier one)18:58
joschsknebel: it charges off a 5 V connection with another reform19:06
sknebeloh, nice! so new charging circuitry is a lot more flexible19:08
wickedshelljosch: wait am I reading that right, this version would charge off a normal 5V input without any PD negotiation? Also what's the improved balancing resistors mean, just faster?19:32
rick_Yaay the new board is available \ ^^ //19:33
joschwickedshell: lets find out! I have it now plugged into my a311d classic reform with motherboard 2.5 via a usb-c cable. The charging led of the rk3588 classic reform with motherboard 3.0 lights up. Lets see if the balancing led will also eventuall light up, given enough time. :)19:45
chjosch: what are you up19:50
chjosch: ... to with the fusb302?19:51
wickedshelljosch: nice! That's gonna give me some fomo/reason to get one :P20:25
wickedshellMy original one is working just fine, but being able to slowly charge off a universally prevelant 5V supply would be a nice feature for sure20:26
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cliGood evening21:22
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joschch: we want to repurpose old charger boards and i might have all ingredients here :)22:12
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joschwickedshell: you can also slow-charge an old motherboard by decreasing a resistor value on the board. I have a motherboard 2.0 here with a variable resistor attached to it so that i can select how much power it draws.22:17
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joschoh great, imx8mq HDMI is broken again...22:32
josch"MNT Research Shop Shipment Notification" -- nooooooo! I'm away over the weekend XD22:40
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joschoh no, Sandor Yu seems to have dropped the ball on "Initial support Cadence MHDP8501(HDMI/DP) for i.MX8MQ"23:11
joschafter only 20 iterations of that patch stack23:11
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chi kinda expect ups to take til monday anyway23:16
joschch: i know our local ups, i'd expect it by the week *after* the next ;)23:18
chhah23:19
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+ _justin_kelly717 (~justinkel@user/justin-kelly/x-6011154)23:39
+ pomel0 (~pomel0@user/pomel0)23:39
- _justin_kelly71 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 244 seconds) (~justinkel@user/justin-kelly/x-6011154)23:40
* _justin_kelly717 -> _justin_kelly7123:40
minutejosch: big meh @ imx8mq hdmi :D23:42
- AnimaInvicta (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net)23:50

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