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| cwebber- | hi hi | 02:50 |
| * cwebber- -> cwebber | 02:50 | |
| cwebber | anyone have any recommendations on replacement batteries for the original reform? | 02:58 |
| cwebber | let mine sit on the shelf for too long. 6 of the batteries seem like they're probably fine | 02:58 |
| cwebber | two look like they're not; the mini-display is flashing a battery. one of the batteries seems to be simply not charging, one has a ??? next to it | 02:59 |
| cwebber | in the oled menu | 02:59 |
| cwebber | alternate question: is it safe to use the reform in this state? does it simply mean I have less capacity, or is there any kind of concern/risk? | 03:00 |
| cwebber | thx! | 03:00 |
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| josch | minute: it seems that some settings moved over to org.gnome.shell.gschema, see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/-/merge_requests/421 | 07:13 |
| josch | cwebber: it is safe to use the reform without batteries | 07:15 |
| josch | cwebber: does your reform still work on battery for a while? | 07:16 |
| josch | cwebber: the reform used to come with these https://www.eremit.de/p/18650-3-2v-2-000mah-lifepo4 | 07:16 |
| josch | but nowadays it ships with 2200 mAh cells and i cannot remember whether minute has shared where they are from. The handbook does not list them yet in the parts section. | 07:17 |
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| lidstah | reading the mnt discourse, TIL about bmap-tools, seems way less error prone than good ol' dd (and hello all!) | 12:02 |
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| Zaba | yeah bmaptool is pretty nice | 12:44 |
| minute | cwebber: if you got a "blinking cell" icon, that's really ancient firmware, nice! like from 2020 or so? also, sounds like you don't have these? https://shop.mntre.com/products/protected-battery-board?taxon_id=13 | 13:33 |
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| cwebber | minute: it is ancient firmware. Even though I used my Pocket a bunch, I didn't use my original Reform much, because it arrived at a time in my life where I had near 0 spare time. I used it to run some small things but not much. (Actually, embarassingly, I only used it plugged in... I hadn't even opened it to plug in the batteries.) | 16:09 |
| cwebber | but now the laptop I have had went through three (three!) spicy pillows in a matter of a year and a half | 16:09 |
| minute | cwebber: wow. so it still has the original imx8mq processor? | 16:10 |
| cwebber | so now it has no batteries and is effectively my desktop for running blender... and it isn't even a good one at that since it only has an intel GPU! So it's motivated me to use the Reform and Pocket Reform as my Actual Main Laptops (TM) at last | 16:10 |
| cwebber | it does | 16:10 |
| cwebber | haha | 16:10 |
| minute | cwebber: and i wonder which keyboard... with 2 alt keys in the middle between 2 space keys, or newer? | 16:10 |
| cwebber | 2 alt keys in the middle! | 16:11 |
| minute | cwebber: omg kind of a relic by now | 16:11 |
| cwebber | it's original shipped generation I think! | 16:11 |
| minute | yeah | 16:11 |
| cwebber | and embarassingly it just sat on the shelf for years | 16:11 |
| minute | collector's item almost :D | 16:11 |
| cwebber | but I decided finally to boot it up and try to put it to actual use | 16:11 |
| minute | but it is fully upgradable to the newest stuff if you ever want | 16:11 |
| minute | (keyboard, trackball, protected battery board, processor, etc) | 16:11 |
| cwebber | yeah it looks like it! | 16:12 |
| cwebber | there's a newer motherboard too, right? But I don't see a newer mobo on sale on the store | 16:12 |
| cwebber | but I should probably try to be economical about it, the Reform Next will be shipping eventually | 16:12 |
| minute | that's right. we took the photos to launch it last week but i think it's not online yet | 16:12 |
| cwebber | doesn't make sense to fully swap out this laptop of theseus | 16:12 |
| cwebber | awesome | 16:13 |
| minute | i think MB3.0 will go online in the coming week | 16:13 |
| cwebber | cool | 16:13 |
| minute | but yeah. the old MB is fine too | 16:13 |
| minute | it just doesn't have usb-c and some optimizations | 16:13 |
| minute | in regards to power stuff | 16:13 |
| minute | i can recommend a mod to make it more long lived, which is to desolder one diode if it is still in there | 16:13 |
| minute | and i would absolutely recommend the protected battery boards. those are also available and stocked at crowd supply and mouser still | 16:14 |
| minute | otherwise it's like constant cell babysitting | 16:14 |
| cwebber | I actually did just try ordering some newer parts from the store last night but paypal mysteriously wouldn't let me click through in either browser. press the submit button and literally nothing happens. Not a you thing, I think it's me, but paypal should show *some* error. probably because I didn't log in and I do have an account with teh email and card I used. gonna look again | 16:14 |
| minute | oh no @ paypal | 16:14 |
| minute | if you are logged into the shop with a very old session, you can try logging in. or maybe you have an ancient paypal method in there that i can remove. | 16:15 |
| cwebber | it's not you | 16:15 |
| minute | logging out i mean | 16:15 |
| minute | ok! | 16:15 |
| cwebber | your account was fine | 16:15 |
| cwebber | it was the paypal step | 16:15 |
| cwebber | er, the account on your site was fine | 16:15 |
| cwebber | anyway I'll look again, and if it's possible to order through crowdsupply / mouser, I could try that too | 16:16 |
| minute | cwebber: convenience link https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform#product-3750 | 16:16 |
| cwebber | ooh ty | 16:16 |
| cwebber | minute: I am starting to feel the itch to tackle the cyborg setup again also. I'm kinda sick of both phones and laptops | 16:16 |
| minute | cwebber: nice @ cyborg | 16:16 |
| bremner | uhoh | 16:16 |
| cwebber | actually I wonder if the MNT touch / tablet thing would be a good basis | 16:17 |
| bremner | I saw this movie... | 16:17 |
| cwebber | bremner: lol | 16:17 |
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| cwebber | https://dustycloud.org/blog/the-diy-foss-cyborg/ | 16:17 |
| minute | cwebber: also, maybe interesting option to get a lot more cpu/gpu punch out of that old reform for little $ https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform#product-3746 | 16:17 |
| cwebber | oh the banana pi is an interesting suggestion | 16:18 |
| cwebber | $165 that's not bad | 16:18 |
| minute | cwebber: sorry for the sales pitches, but these are basically the most conservative bang-for-the-buck options and convenient in US | 16:18 |
| cwebber | no no it's appreciated minute | 16:18 |
| cwebber | <3 | 16:18 |
| minute | cwebber: josch is running the banana pi in reform 24/7, he just visited mnt and showed me a few days ago :D it doesn't get hot so it was compiling stuff in his backpack | 16:19 |
| + sterni (~quassel@user/sterni) | 16:19 | |
| minute | (vs the rk3588 which is a hottie) | 16:19 |
| cwebber | rk3588 just can't help being a hot girl I guess | 16:20 |
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| minute | cwebber: exactly | 16:20 |
| cwebber | btw I put the wifi chip in, is there any particular recommendation of where to position the antennas? I just kinda put them hanging over the battery packs and wondered if that was wise | 16:20 |
| minute | cwebber: also the trackball module that's in stock there probably has a better feel than the one you have r/n from the original batch. but YMMV. just in case it gets annoying, the one at CS is a bit better | 16:20 |
| minute | cwebber: by hanging you mean losely? then make sure to tape cover the side that has some open-air metal contacts | 16:21 |
| minute | cwebber: IIRC there should be a piece of acrylic in the box somewhere that is to be mounted around the two internal white "usb" connector that come from the trackball and keyboard | 16:22 |
| minute | cwebber: random image from the web, there you can see that acrylic piece with the molex antenna stuck on it https://community.mnt.re/uploads/default/original/1X/eeb7fc199ab6076de118953fdeb37a54fd0ef921.jpeg | 16:23 |
| minute | oh here's a great banana pi/a311d upgrade guide with many pix by vkoskiv. that was with a different antenna tho https://community.mnt.re/t/my-a311d-installation-with-pictures/1693 | 16:24 |
| cwebber | hm uh yeah I guess having the metal over the batteries might not be safe, huh, heh | 16:39 |
| cwebber | oh I see | 16:39 |
| cwebber | that's helpful, thx | 16:39 |
| cwebber | ok should I get a couple more of these to replace the individual borked cells then? https://www.eremit.de/p/18650-3-2v-2-000mah-lifepo4 | 16:41 |
| cwebber | So: | 16:43 |
| cwebber | - new batteries | 16:43 |
| cwebber | - banana pi | 16:43 |
| cwebber | - protected battery board replacement | 16:43 |
| cwebber | - and I should desolder one diode | 16:43 |
| gordon2 | cwebber: i would strongly recommend to replace all 8 cells with brand new matched ones or you will experience some issues with balancing | 16:49 |
| cwebber | okie | 16:49 |
| cwebber | any recommendations of which ones to use? | 16:50 |
| gordon2 | tbh i am struggling to find any available in uk or eu, your link is the first one in a while that i saw with lifepo4 in stock | 16:51 |
| cwebber | ok! I am in Canada rn so I will go with those | 16:52 |
| cwebber | I have never soldered anything so desoldering sounds like the most complicated of the steps | 16:52 |
| cwebber | minute: am I right that the main risk with that diode is that the board itself might short out / die? | 16:54 |
| cwebber | if that's the case, then I think I won't worry about it, because if a v3 board is due out soon | 16:54 |
| cwebber | I can just order that if it borks | 16:54 |
| cwebber | https://community.mnt.re/t/laptop-unresponsive/749 hm getting really hot, maybe it's more worrying | 16:57 |
| cwebber | well, I am gonna still deal with that one last | 16:57 |
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| minute | cwebber: yes, if the diode fails, which happened with some boards, some of the mosfets around it can also die | 17:09 |
| minute | gordon2: in EU, tried nkon? | 17:09 |
| gordon2 | minute: yes, out of stock last time i checked | 17:09 |
| minute | cwebber: don't order at eremit right now probably, they are in a winter break | 17:10 |
| minute | till feb | 17:10 |
| gordon2 | i mean they have 1100mAh in stock but meh | 17:10 |
| gordon2 | is there a reason why i shouldn't want 2200 mAh instead of 1800 mAh if i'm gonna pre-order? | 17:11 |
| minute | https://hakadibattery.com/products/hakadi-18650-3-2v-1800mah-lifepo4-rechargeable-battery-cell-cycle-life-3000-for-diy-battery-pack-flashlight?variant=41712175841485 | 17:14 |
| minute | ah yeah nkon has preorder for december https://www.nkon.nl/de/jgne-18650-2200mah-6-6a-lifepo4-3-2v.html | 17:14 |
| minute | https://www.nkon.nl/novat/jgne-18650-2200mah-6-6a-lifepo4-3-2v.html | 17:15 |
| minute | cwebber: that link should be a good option https://www.nkon.nl/novat/jgne-18650-2200mah-6-6a-lifepo4-3-2v.html | 17:15 |
| minute | and same for gordon2 | 17:15 |
| minute | interesting, the 2200 have less cycles and less C rating | 17:17 |
| minute | but still 0.5C is 1.1A then | 17:18 |
| erle | minute what's the canonical link for the “desolder one diode” trick? | 17:54 |
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| josch | minute: which 2200 mAh cells is MNT currently shipping with new classic reform orders? The blue ones. They do not say JGNE so they are probably not the ones you linked above? | 19:42 |
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| gordon2 | ACTION got 1800mAh ones with his recent order | 19:52 |
| gordon2 | actually no | 19:52 |
| gordon2 | strike that | 19:52 |
| gordon2 | it's just the LPC that reports 18000mAh, but cells are actually 2200 | 19:52 |
| josch | gordon2: this is fixed in the lpc firmware by a MR merged by m.inute yesterday :) | 19:53 |
| gordon2 | yeah, that sounds like a good opportunity to brick^W update the LPC | 19:54 |
| gordon2 | just need to have a contingency plan | 19:56 |
| josch | pfff... flashing lpc firmware is harmless... i'm changing imx8m+ firmware right now and if i mess up things will be soft-bricked real well XD | 19:57 |
| josch | gordon2: i don't think flashing the wrong lpc firware can prevent you from flashing the right firmware | 19:57 |
| gordon2 | well that will mean that i would need another machine to do so i would assume | 19:58 |
| josch | wait, pocket or classic? | 19:58 |
| gordon2 | classic | 19:58 |
| josch | you need a second machine for the lpc firmware for the classic in any case | 19:58 |
| gordon2 | hmm, sure i cannot hack it somehow ouroboros style? | 19:59 |
| gordon2 | so i think i have to remove the trackball anyway, so i will pair it with cup swap when i finally manage to make SiN work somehow | 20:02 |
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| minute | josch: i think nkon | 20:15 |
| f_ | cwebber: I saw the DIY cyborg, looked really interesting | 20:19 |
| gordon2 | oh, found an easter egg in keyboard fw :3 | 20:21 |
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