| vagrantc | will also need to add a keyboard driver for u-boot ... and then i will at least maybe be able to use the serial console for debugging boot issues without another computer | 00:00 |
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| vagrantc | heh. now it is reading 19 amps at 0 volts ... :) | 00:01 |
| minute | vagrantc: this data is funny but meaningless. the best way to test for corruption is to find the reform2-lpc sysfs files and do a bash loop to cat the file called "firmware" | 00:03 |
| minute | vagrantc: if there are repeated letters or missing words in the output sometimes, it's no good | 00:03 |
| vagrantc | don't see a "firmware" file anywhere under /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ | 00:06 |
| vagrantc | hmmm... /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/device/firmware ? | 00:08 |
| minute | vagrantc: sudo find /sys -name "firmware" | 00:08 |
| minute | vagrantc: yeah | 00:08 |
| minute | vagrantc: there's some other stuff in that directory too. in the reform2-lpc.c you can see which sysfs files it creates too | 00:09 |
| vagrantc | find was unhelpfully not scanning under the symlinks (i know, it's an option...) | 00:09 |
| vagrantc | ACTION fires up a great for loop | 00:11 |
| josch | vagrantc: /sys/bus/spi/drivers/reform2_lpc/spi1.0/firmware | 00:23 |
| vagrantc | reading /sys/bus/spi/drivers/reform2_lpc/spi1.0/firmware so far seems to just be a bunch of lines | 01:01 |
| vagrantc | i did try with the patches applied in https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/144 ... although not yet with the extended timeouts suggested in the comments | 01:02 |
| vagrantc | still getting wacky readings ... will try with the extended timeouts... | 01:03 |
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| minute | vagrantc: any better? | 01:44 |
| * digitalrane_ -> digitalrane | 01:45 | |
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| vagrantc | minute: just about to find out ... | 01:58 |
| vagrantc | first boot looks quite promising! | 02:00 |
| vagrantc | though i have had it work before and then ... just stop | 02:01 |
| vagrantc | but worked from a warm boot where it was previously giving wacky erratic readings (as noted on the channel :) | 02:01 |
| vagrantc | ACTION tries from a cold boot. | 02:02 |
| vagrantc | well, not terribly cold, my serial port is still warmed up :) | 02:03 |
| vagrantc | and second boot was disappointing | 02:04 |
| vagrantc | givving wacky readings again | 02:04 |
| vagrantc | time to invest in new lpc firmware :) | 02:09 |
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| svp | any ETA on motherboard 3.0 for the classic hitting the shop? my 2.0 is getting ready to become a server with the... quirks i accidentally managed to give it over time | 06:03 |
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| + reform16390 (~bpye@node-1w7jr9pjgt7p58tc2wjn9b6pj.ipv6.telus.net) | 07:20 | |
| reform16390 | Has anyone else noticed that text in the alt-tab dialog w/ KDE Plasma on RK3588 shows only square boxes instead of characters? | 07:21 |
| reform16390 | I switched by installing task-kde-desktop and selecting Plasma (wayland) at login, I also had to set the KWIN_FORCE_SW_CURSOR=1 workaround in /etc/environment , I'm not sure if sddm is ignoring /etc/profile.d? | 07:24 |
| josch | i haven't noticed that but KWIN_FORCE_SW_CURSOR=1 is for the cursor not for the alt-tab dialog which may be another (maybe similar) issue | 07:29 |
| josch | minute wanted to report the KWIN_FORCE_SW_CURSOR=1 bug but i don't know if that has happened yet | 07:29 |
| reform16390 | Yeah, the cursor was also broken without updating /etc/environment | 07:37 |
| reform16390 | Ah, there are a bunch of glTexSubImage2D failures in journalctl... | 07:44 |
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| + reform13023 (~bpye@node-1w7jr9pjgt7p58tc2wjn9b6pj.ipv6.telus.net) | 07:49 | |
| reform13023 | Aha! setting KWIN_COMPOSE=O2ES fixed it | 07:49 |
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| josch | oups... minute you might be interested in the above ^ | 07:51 |
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| SadOp | Good morning, I just tested the KWIN_COMPOSE fix and it works. I haven't even noticed the alt+tab font issue before on KDE but it's gone now. | 09:20 |
| + colinsane (~colinunin@97-113-71-58.tukw.qwest.net) | 09:39 | |
| ch | https://lore.kernel.org/asahi/20251013-b4-aplpe-dwc3-v1-5-12a78000c014@kernel.org/ wow this sounds cursed | 09:50 |
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| josch | ch: can you recommend me one of these magical usb hubs which are able to supply my pocket with power *and* allow me to use the usb port for data? Feel free to recommend a hub about which you wondered whether it works at all or not. :) | 10:39 |
| [tj] | josch: I have an anker hub that I use as a single cable for my framework | 10:40 |
| [tj] | the audio in it died so its two cables... | 10:40 |
| [tj] | https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08NDGD2V5 | 10:40 |
| [tj] | I also have this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C3GDT9XN | 10:45 |
| [tj] | but there is a lot of noise on the display port | 10:45 |
| ch | josch: the ones i have all suck one way or another. on the one i carry around the power passthrough died | 10:45 |
| josch | jeeez these have ethernet too?? o0 the future has arrived | 10:46 |
| josch | if they all suck i'll just grab a second-hand hub from somebody in the area -- i don't need much :) | 10:48 |
| [tj] | you probably just need to look for pd pass through | 10:49 |
| josch | but apparently the hub i have, even though it has a usb-c plug only gives 480MBit/s to my webcam and plugging it into the pocket directly gives me 5GBit/s | 10:49 |
| josch | indeed | 10:49 |
| [tj] | how do I verify usb speed? | 10:50 |
| josch | stackoverflow told me to use lsusb -t | 10:50 |
| [tj] | do I need to connect a device? | 10:50 |
| josch | in practice, the webcam only does 1080p@60 when the lsusb -t output shows 5000M for the camera | 10:50 |
| josch | no, it shows a the usb device tree including the ports | 10:51 |
| [tj] | this says the port with power is only 480M | 10:54 |
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| + paperManu (~paperManu@198.58.139.163) | 12:27 | |
| + gustav2 (~gustav@c-78-82-53-102.bbcust.telenor.se) | 13:02 | |
| + timide (~timide@user/timide) | 13:19 | |
| jahkosha | is there some information/resources I could look into to document myself on what it takes to write a clock driver? | 13:21 |
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| + Guest5 (~Guest5@2001:8a0:423c:fe00:fe83:c9aa:d12b:2ac4) | 14:11 | |
| Guest5 | Hello | 14:11 |
| Guest5 | Can someone help me understand some things in regard to hardware security? I'm looking forward to setup a system with little to no proprietary code. No management engines, no cpu microcode, etc etc, ideally i would be able to run qubes os, but any debian based distro should be fine in general... I have in my horizon something by raptor computing | 14:16 |
| Guest5 | systems(which i hope to avoid due to the cost), an old thinkpad, a risc v computer or a mnt(which seems to be different). I understand my question may go slightly beyond the scope of this chat but I would very much appreciate if at least you could shed some light on the differences from mnt users perspective. Thank you in advance... :) | 14:16 |
| gordon2 | current mnt reform (classic or pocket I assume) with rk3588 module includes small proprietary blob from manufacturer to do DRAM training | 14:20 |
| gordon2 | can't be 100% sure for other modules, but i would assume i.MX-based modules should be completely blob-free | 14:21 |
| + synnfynn (~synnfynn@user/synnfynn) | 14:25 | |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@modemcable141.205-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 14:33 | |
| minute | gordon2: no, imx8m/plus modules have dram training blob as well. | 14:40 |
| minute | Guest5: gordon2: the only module that can be completely blob free is the LS1028A module | 14:40 |
| minute | Guest5: https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/MNT-Research/MSOML11610R01?qs=QpmGXVUTftEmk0uhanzLVQ%3D%3D | 14:41 |
| Guest5 | I'm speechless | 14:44 |
| Guest5 | I wasn't aware of the beauty of "system of modules" | 14:44 |
| minute | Guest5: this page might be interesting for you https://mntre.com/modularity.html | 14:51 |
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| * Guest4726 -> mjw | 16:21 | |
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| elb` | well that was a first for me | 19:14 |
| elb` | I was checking my battery, trying to keep an eye on brownout conditions, and I hit hyper+enter b, then to make it go away ... I hit hyper+enter 0 | 19:15 |
| elb` | and then cried ;-) | 19:15 |
| elb` | btw it was down to 3.4/3.3 and had given me no trouble, but then browned out booting | 19:15 |
| elb` | I've been trying to keep my kbd backlight turned off | 19:15 |
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| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:38 | |
| + TechnoWizard (~TechnoWiz@user/TechnoWizard) | 19:45 | |
| minute | elb`: aww noo | 19:45 |
| minute | elb`: ok 3.4/3.3 is already quite low. what percentage did the gauge show in that state, approx.? | 19:46 |
| ch | minute: i got a set of halo90 for a friend and on one of them the via for the holder immediately broke | 19:56 |
| ch | maybe it was cut too close | 19:57 |
| ch | minute: i guess i should open a ticket? | 19:57 |
| * wielaard -> mjw | 20:06 | |
| bremner | minute: btw, Sebastian's patch get's further in the restore from hibernate, but there are still some issues. I have been meaning to write up the details. | 20:12 |
| elb` | minute: 11% | 20:15 |
| elb` | minute: and I plugged it in to boot after that; it just rebooted spontaneously at 87% charge on AC adapter :-/ | 20:15 |
| minute | ch: ah, sorry to hear ;/ i guess we should slightly change the design. sure, if you can make a ticket, we'll send a replacement | 20:16 |
| minute | bremner: ohh, ok? very interested | 20:16 |
| minute | elb`: what was running on the machine when it rebooted spontaneously? | 20:17 |
| ch | minute: kk | 20:20 |
| josch | linux 6.17 was uploaded to experimental today, so i can start working on rebasing our patches -- luckily vimja already did most of the work for that this time :) | 20:20 |
| josch | bremner: are you building a custom kernel or do we have the patches in reform-debian-packaes already? Does something speak against integrating the patches you test into the MNT repos? | 20:21 |
| bremner | josch: should be straightforward (I think I have a branch somewhere if you have any issues) | 20:21 |
| bremner | josch: I'm rebasing against collabora's -devel branch | 20:22 |
| bremner | so I guess custom? | 20:22 |
| bremner | it's like 3 patches on top at this point | 20:22 |
| josch | ah okay, and you are of course only interested in the rk3588 patches and not the rest | 20:22 |
| bremner | right | 20:22 |
| minute | elb`: an kbd backlight levels default, higher or low? | 20:22 |
| josch | bremner: lets put these three patches into reform-debian-packages maybe? :) | 20:22 |
| bremner | josch: 2 are there already, one is about the dtb | 20:22 |
| sigrid | running 6.17.2 on mine since Sunday, it works fine | 20:23 |
| josch | sigrid: rk3588? | 20:23 |
| sigrid | unfortunately collabora's video decoding PR has never been updated for that version | 20:23 |
| josch | (wondering which platforms are left to test for me) | 20:23 |
| sigrid | yeah | 20:23 |
| sigrid | s/PR/branch/ | 20:23 |
| minute | hmm, since a while my PC, also running debian+gnome, regularly spins up fans because of gnome-software background process peaking with 100% cpu | 20:50 |
| minute | and i see a similar thing on pocket | 20:51 |
| minute | but not sure if this process is also running for people using sway | 20:51 |
| minute | ch: ha, i'm noticing the red charging LED "breathing" for the first time. i think it would be good to make it faster though and not go that dark, because it can look like it's not charging for a while | 20:52 |
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| ch | minute: heh. i experimented a bit and didnt like it too fast. not too dark sounda good! | 21:05 |
| minute | ch: compromise :D | 21:05 |
| rick_ | mhhh just had a random pocket reboot with 100% battery XD | 21:06 |
| rick_ | was watching a vid via mpv, connected to power, external monitor atteched (but i also had these reboots without any connected devices). if this helps :3 | 21:11 |
| svp | i forgot if i asked already and if i did my history ate it (sorry) but any ETA on classic reform motherboard v3? | 21:11 |
| - TechnoWizard (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~TechnoWiz@user/TechnoWizard) | 21:13 | |
| minute | rick_: are you also posting in the forum thread about this? just trying to figure out if you're an additional person with this problem | 21:13 |
| rick_ | not now, but i can. ill do it, so everything is in one place | 21:14 |
| rick_ | but to answer your question, i'm a new one | 21:15 |
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| elb` | minute: firefox, element, emacs, some terminals | 22:43 |
| * elb` -> elb | 22:43 | |
| elb | and I guess sway and attendant stuff (waybar, etc.) | 22:44 |
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| - V (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~v@ircpuzzles/2022/april/winner/V) | 23:09 | |
| + V (~v@ircpuzzles/2022/april/winner/V) | 23:12 | |
| minute | elb: ok, so there was serious CPU load | 23:26 |
| minute | wow, mp2650 just smoked up in front of my very eyes while doing load/brownout testing | 23:35 |
| minute | batteries were reported at 8%, system was on, i plugged in pd charger. few seconds later, poof | 23:36 |
| minute | little smoke | 23:36 |
| ch | ouch | 23:50 |
| minute | ok, after much testing and discussion, we need another charger board rev with buckboost charger (higher voltage to motherboard), and stronger cells or 3 cells (2 will be easier to do at first though, for example 2x 5000mAh), and also power mgmt in the sysctl firmware and keyboard firmware | 23:53 |
| minute | but need to come up with some formula for limiting things | 23:53 |
| minute | i.e. brightnesses and which cpu/gpu profiles should be allowed | 23:53 |
| minute | depending on cell voltages + current | 23:54 |
| minute | the stronger battery system would be good for having more headroom in general | 23:54 |
| minute | for all the stuff that is added inside and can be plugged into usb... | 23:54 |
| elb | minute: shouldn't have been much cpu load, all that stuff was idle | 23:58 |
| elb | minute: I would expect it to be at something like 20%, what was actually _on screen_ was a terminal | 23:58 |
| elb | element uses more CPU than I'd like doing nothing, but everything else should have been ~nil | 23:59 |
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