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| minute | elb: is this a diy kit or preassembled pocket reform? | 00:16 |
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| elb | minute: diy kit with the short wifi lead | 02:24 |
| elb | (august) | 02:24 |
| jogu | d_m: Super late but, I did exactly what you're saying and made a 5u spacebar that goes on top of the 3 split spacebar switches. I ended up going back to the split space bar as it doesn't work very well. | 02:33 |
| jogu | Since there's no stabilizer you end up actuating either just the left switch or just the right switch most of the time, but force more central on the single space actuates all 3. | 02:34 |
| jogu | It also feels a lot heavier, probably because there's 3 springs you're pushing down on now | 02:35 |
| jogu | After a few weeks I'm pretty used to the split space now so maybe give it some more time? | 02:41 |
| d_m | jogu: thanks. i guess i will continue to try to get used to it while also exploring the excitnig world of kicad and keyboard layouts and see which makes progress faster | 02:44 |
| jogu | yeah, it was a fun chance to learn some freecad / 3d print something for the first time | 02:52 |
| jogu | at least the riser bar I made worked out better haha | 02:52 |
| jogu | I've also got some aspirations to make a custom PCB, but mostly for hot swap sockets than layout changes | 02:56 |
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| + mwcampbell (~Thunderbi@2600:1700:a843:8000:c0dc:45e5:c608:896c) | 06:29 | |
| mwcampbell | I have a question about the MNT Reform with the RCore RK3588 module. If an SD card with a valid RK3588 boot loader is inserted, does the SoC always prioritize the SD card over eMMC? And if so, is the SD card prioritized at the SoC boot ROM level, or does the SoC still load u-boot from the eMMC? I ask because I've seen boards where you have to set some kind of switch or jumper to boot from SD even if the eMMC is wiped. | 06:31 |
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| josch | mwcampbell: unfortunately there is neither switch nor jumper on the firefly icore board. The board will try to load the bootloader (there are stages before u-boot) from eMMC first and if that worked, boot that. Only if eMMC is wiped will the board load the bootloader (including u-boot) from sd-card. | 07:54 |
| mwcampbell | OK, but it _will_ fall back to the SD card if the eMMC module is there but doesn't contain a valid boot loader? | 07:56 |
| josch | mwcampbell: yes | 07:56 |
| mwcampbell | josch: Thank you. | 07:56 |
| mwcampbell | So once I get my MNT Reform Next (whenever those ship), if I want to tinker with the boot loader and OS without risk of bricking the device, I guess the safest thing to do is to wipe the first 16 MB of eMMC first, then boot from SD. | 08:03 |
| josch | yes | 08:04 |
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| + Guest68 (~Guest68@p200300ee572785000fa96b24e1ac4cb8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 09:07 | |
| Guest68 | good morning - how are you rocking your reform laptops? anyone knows where i can find the resources again for the second "mpcie?" slot in the i.mx8mp pocket reform? i wanna know what I can install on the board? also can i create a forum topic where people show their modifications? if yes, should i post it for the pocket reform only or for general | 09:20 |
| Guest68 | mods (i think there's a difference in on what to add hardware specific things in these different machines) | 09:20 |
| + mlarkin (~mlarkin@syn-076-081-194-027.biz.spectrum.com) | 09:32 | |
| mwcampbell | I'm curious, does the RK3588 module have worse baseline power consumption than any of the other modules? | 09:48 |
| josch | mwcampbell: "power consumption" is extremely tricky to measure. I have a RK3588 classic Reform here. Tell me a workload and i'll do a battery runtime test for you. | 09:50 |
| mwcampbell | The two that I'm curious about are screen-off idle (but not fully suspended) and screen-off with audio playback. | 09:51 |
| josch | mwcampbell: okay, check back here in ~4-5 hours i think | 09:52 |
| josch | mwcampbell: would you like me to idle in gnome or sway? | 09:54 |
| mwcampbell | sway please | 09:54 |
| mwcampbell | Thanks! | 09:55 |
| josch | mwcampbell: in the meantime, you have read battery power related threads on the forum, yes? | 09:57 |
| josch | Guest68: the forum already has threads with user mods -- did you have a look there? | 09:57 |
| mwcampbell | I will look at those | 09:57 |
| josch | mwcampbell: here is the latest by me: https://community.mnt.re/t/getting-more-than-10-hours-of-battery-runtime-from-the-rk3588-pocket-reform/3506 | 09:58 |
| mwcampbell | Thanks | 09:58 |
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| rwa_ | josch: is it intentional that reform.d.n trixie images do not have "nfs-common" package installed? | 11:22 |
| minute | josch: btw are you still rocking the mega batteries for your pocket? | 11:31 |
| [tj] | I want to do that I should remember details one of these days | 11:31 |
| [tj] | minute: reform next should really have a charge status indicator led | 11:31 |
| [tj] | could a sysctl patch control the motherboard led? | 11:32 |
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| grimmware | I bought the batteries to upgrade mine and then chickened out | 12:13 |
| + LainIwakura (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura) | 12:14 | |
| [tj] | what did you buy? I want mine to stop falling over | 12:17 |
| minute | [tj]: can you elaborate with more details on that charge status led, what you imagine/need? | 12:21 |
| [tj] | charging/charged without having to open the laptop | 12:21 |
| + hlep (~hlep@user/hlep) | 12:27 | |
| + akira (~akira@148.69.3.39) | 12:35 | |
| akira | rwa_: why would you think nfs-common should be installed? | 12:37 |
| akira | minute: yes and nothing has burst into flames (yet) | 12:38 |
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| jfred | On the subject of external LEDs, I've found it useful on other laptops when they have a power status LED that indicates if the machine is on/off/suspended. Less important while suspend isn't working (and if there's not a lid switch) but after closing a laptop it's helpful to know that it did in fact suspend and thus won't roast itself in your bag | 13:38 |
| gordon1 | on 6.16.4 still "phy link never came up" :( | 13:45 |
| gordon1 | also usb-c console is awesome of course, but still kernel update is requiring a good clench every time during reboot, it would really be nice to have display console on u-boot | 13:46 |
| abortretryfail | mwcampbell: I also had the same question about baseline/idle power consumption, since the imx8mq is surprisingly not great in that department. | 13:48 |
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| glu | jfred: this is my favorite feature of x220 thinkpad, the green moon symbol is even better than stupid pulsating red light | 14:28 |
| gordon1 | reform classic has some led indicators that show power rails, charging and wlan activity on mb | 14:31 |
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| * reform17719 -> rwa_ | 14:42 | |
| rwa_ | akira: i'd expect nfs to be usable right from the start - but you can't mount a nfs share unless you install nfs-common | 14:43 |
| [tj] | I really miss the led strip on the bottom of my ibook that gave a charge gauge | 14:46 |
| gordon1 | ah you were talking about reform next | 14:47 |
| [tj] | yeah, can't really request hardware features for the computer on my desk | 14:49 |
| [tj] | that is called "a soldering iron" | 14:49 |
| [tj] | there is an led behind the ix industrial port, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't indicate charging is done | 14:50 |
| jfred | depending on which version of the reform mobo you have I bet that's something that could be added via the qwiic port :) | 15:06 |
| jfred | (my own reform is too old for that) | 15:07 |
| jfred | and yeah the series of LEDs on older macbooks and such for charge state was nice. I do appreciate that the OLED panel gives you even more info than that though even while the machine is off, I think the reforms are the only computers I know of where I can see the individual cell voltages(!) without booting the machine | 15:10 |
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| minute | [tj]: ok, as there is a led already, this could be done in firmware right now | 16:43 |
| minute | [tj]: the rp2040 code just would need to have a different color for "usb-c pd powered" vs "charging current" (or gauge ~ 100%) | 16:44 |
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| elb | after my pocket reform has been on for a while, I get vignetting on the display | 17:05 |
| elb | I suspect this is due to heating from the rk3588 | 17:05 |
| elb | it isn't a big deal and doesn't keep me from doing anything i need to do, but I imagine it would be difficult for someone doing graphics or other visual work, and I worry a little about the lifetime of the display | 17:06 |
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| elb | uh oh I just had my first hard lock since installing the wd blue | 17:13 |
| elb | https://lostbits.net/elb/private/vignette.jpg | 17:20 |
| elb | there's the vignetting, it will continue to increase in contrast for a bit as the machine stays on | 17:20 |
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| [tj] | minute: cool, I can try and do this | 17:33 |
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| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 21:14 | |
| minute | elb: hm, this vignette looks unusual | 21:21 |
| minute | elb: if you let the device off for a while (an hour? (or more, like overnight)), and turn it back on, is it still like that? then we should send you another display | 21:23 |
| + akira (~akira@2001:8a0:7dd7:6300:543a:ea73:d4d5:f3a) | 21:26 | |
| elb | minute: no, it only does that after it's been on for a while; as I said, I've been assuming it's heat-related | 21:42 |
| elb | actually I just powered it up right now, stone cold, and it's vignetted | 21:43 |
| elb | but it wasn't when I powered it up this morning | 21:43 |
| elb | so maybe it's more complicated than immediate heat, but certainly it doesnt' do it all the time | 21:43 |
| elb | https://lostbits.net/elb/private/vignette2.jpg | 21:45 |
| elb | that's what it looks like newly powered up, been off for maybe two hours | 21:45 |
| minute | elb: i think not heat related, otherwise i would have seen it before :D | 21:46 |
| minute | maybe it's mura | 21:47 |
| elb | in the meantime it's not keeping me from anything I need to do | 21:47 |
| minute | elb: ok :3 whenever you need a replacement panel on warranty, peruse support.mnt.re | 21:48 |
| elb | understood, thank you | 21:54 |
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| + reform26426 (~optimal@92.54.250.178) | 23:54 | |
| * switchy_ -> switchy | 23:55 | |
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| + switchy (~switchy@mechboards/switchy) | 23:56 | |
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| reform26426 | does the Pocket Reform w/ RK3588 support alt-mode displays over USB-C? i can't seem to find any documentation on this | 23:58 |
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