| minute | elb: josch: the charging port currently works as a usb host only on docks/monitors | 00:39 |
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| minute | elb: josch: i.e. the device you connect to it has to charge the pocket, then it can also be a device. | 00:40 |
| minute | it might also work if the device is self powered / a powered hub | 00:40 |
| minute | in the early days, the port would output 5v by default, but since ch's refactoring, this as no longer the case | 00:41 |
| minute | s/as/is | 00:41 |
| minute | once we were discussing that this could be a switch (for example in the oled menu) | 00:42 |
| josch | minute: oooooh! | 00:43 |
| josch | how is a device that can charge my pocket but is also a usb hub called? | 00:44 |
| minute | josch: dell monitor for example | 00:44 |
| minute | josch: or, usb-c hub with PD charging capability? | 00:44 |
| josch | huh i think i should look into getting one of those! | 00:45 |
| minute | or, usb-c dock with pd | 00:45 |
| minute | yeah when i come home at night, i put the pocket on my desk and connect it to my dell monitor with a usb-c cable that charges it and provides 2.5gbit ethernet, sound interface, mouse and keyboard over that cable | 00:45 |
| minute | (and second cable is microhdmi, not 100% elegant but then i still have the full usb3 bandwidth ;) ) | 00:46 |
| josch | sounds handy! | 00:47 |
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| josch | minute: i have a system image with a custom MNT plymouth theme for you to have a look at: | 02:23 |
| josch | sudo bmaptool copy https://source.mnt.re/josch/reform-system-image/-/jobs/12900/artifacts/raw/reform-system-any.img.gz /dev/mmcblk0 | 02:23 |
| josch | though maybe plymouth should not pop up during the first boot because that one takes longer as the root partition is getting resized (or maybe there is a way to communicate this happening to plymouth...) | 02:24 |
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| elb | minute: oh that's actually useful to know, so a pass through breakout hub would work | 05:03 |
| elb | btw I had an interesting experience today (maybe well known), but plugging in an HDMI monitor to the micro HDMI and _then_ booting wasn't what I wanted ;-) | 05:06 |
| elb | the screen came up sideways on the external monitor | 05:06 |
| elb | and like ... half cut off on the internal | 05:07 |
| elb | I did hyper+enter 0 and then unplugged the HDMI and waited until I'd logged in to plug in the display and that worked FB as usual | 05:07 |
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| ch | josch: when do you actually sleep? :D | 07:15 |
| Asmadeus | m | 07:19 |
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| * reform1703 -> rwa_ | 07:38 | |
| josch | ch: most hated advice as a parent "sleep when your baby sleeps" XD | 08:11 |
| ch | hah | 08:29 |
| ch | josch: re usb on pocket: indeed the firmware currently requires the other side to speak PD. its on my list to figure out the correct state machinery to support non-PD devices (and thus do 5V again) | 08:31 |
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| josch | ch: funky, so this is "just" a firmware issue? | 08:37 |
| ch | josch: not entirely sure; i disabled the 5V because i couldnt get PD to work otherwise | 08:41 |
| ch | josch: IIRC the pd chip didn't detect CCx changes with 5V on reliably | 08:45 |
| ch | certainly something to look at in more detail | 08:45 |
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| josch | ch: thank you for your recent MRs btw, i think we may leave it in this state for now until :) | 08:50 |
| josch | ah drats i meant to remove the "until" as well (it was part of: "until somebody finds time to add a machine readable output method") | 08:51 |
| josch | but there are certainly more important issues | 08:51 |
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| Zaba | usb-c is not supposed to have 5V by default, the passive protocol for enabling it is using 5.1kOhm pulldowns on the CC lines | 08:52 |
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| ch | which is not enough if you need usb2 compat | 09:10 |
| Zaba | no, it is enough, because any usb c to a adapter will also include those resistors | 09:48 |
| Zaba | there are literally *zero* usb-c devices with this kind of non-compliant implicit powering out there and no functionality is lost through their non-existence | 09:51 |
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| minute | elb: ah hm, that half cut off stuff normally happens only on the console, as soon as gdm starts it's fine | 10:38 |
| minute | Zaba: that's right, i guess the work is detecting/handling that in the fw/with fusb302 | 10:41 |
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| josch | minute: there is now an ITP for https://github.com/paperwm/PaperWM/ -- i think i remember this was mentioned here before but i must be remembering wrongly because it's not anywhere in the logs... Do you want this for the Reform? Because the packager is looking for a sponsor. | 12:07 |
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| rwa_ | today when the battery protection kicked in the keyboard was "reset by watchdog", so i was able to power on again after plugin ac in | 15:01 |
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| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~Thunderbi@98.19.131.193) | 15:21 | |
| gordon1 | what is the meaning of charge_empty value reported by EC in reform classic? it reports 430 mAh but battery clearly can discharge more than that, judging by charge_now value | 15:21 |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 15:33 | |
| jfred | I really should set up a USB-C dock at the desk I have my Reform at now, that'll be where the Reform Next lives when I get that and I could use it for the Pocket until then. Even if it can't do DisplayPort alt-mode having all the USB peripherals connect while charging would be nice | 15:41 |
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| elb | minute: oh, maybe I should have waited longer | 17:05 |
| elb | btw I've been running that WD Blue SSD for days now with no issues, the problem was certainly the SK hynix | 17:07 |
| elb | I have a PCIe adapter to stick it in a regular motherboard right here, but I haven't had a chance to do so; I want to see if it's damaged or just a firmware compatability problem | 17:07 |
| elb | I need to find my little baggie of extra m.2 hardware | 17:08 |
| elb | now that I've migrated to encrypted SSD, I do have the problem that about one out of four or five boots it just doesn't ask me for the decryption passphrase, instead it complains every few seconds that it's waiting for encrypted disks to start and never gets past that; nothing is mounted R/W by then so I just power off and back on via the system controller, but still | 17:09 |
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| spew | there's no suspend support for the rk3588 classic reform? | 18:31 |
| gordon1 | no | 18:32 |
| elb | I believe there's no support for suspend for rk3588 on any reform platform | 18:35 |
| josch | spew: you can suspend on some i.mx8mq classic reform | 18:43 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 18:48 | |
| spew | thanks all | 18:50 |
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| ch | Zaba: ok, it doesnt work IME | 21:34 |
| Zaba | with what devices? | 21:38 |
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| abortretryfail | My imx8mq classic reform hangs on suspend. I suspect it's the NVMe's fault though. | 22:46 |
| josch | abortretryfail: the original imx8mq also never was able to come back from suspend | 22:55 |
| josch | abortretryfail: then i switched to the imx8mq from BoostIsBetter (exact same system image from sd-card) and there it worked flawlessly | 22:56 |
| josch | this suggests that there is "something" in the hardware which makes it work for some boards but not with others | 22:56 |
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