| gordon1 | there is no reason why trackball sensor must be on the bottom of the trackball, isn't there? | 00:07 |
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| josch | gordon1: the more to the side you put the sensor the worse it will be to detect rotations around the axis perpendicular to that one | 00:10 |
| josch | gordon1: imagine the extreme case of putting the sensor not horizontal but vertically -- then you can no longer detect rotation around the horizontal axis through the sensor | 00:10 |
| josch | you can fix this by having two sensors | 00:10 |
| gordon1 | oh yeah, you're right | 00:11 |
| gordon1 | didn't think about that | 00:11 |
| - AnimaInvicta (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net) | 00:47 | |
| + AnimaInvicta (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net) | 00:49 | |
| - AnimaInvicta (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net) | 01:25 | |
| josch | minute: i'm doing a bit of archaeology and i found this: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/129#note_16202 | 01:28 |
| josch | minute: would you like me to remove reform-help being called from /etc/skel/.profile now? | 01:28 |
| josch | it's 3 months later and i don't know if this is still something you want | 01:29 |
| + AnimaInvicta (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net) | 01:32 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 01:38 | |
| minute | josch: why do you have a mediatek patch? :3 https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/134/diffs | 01:42 |
| josch | minute: mediatek users have said that they also experience display flicker in some of my reports for a311d flicker and i was poking in the dark to find out which commit fixed the display flicker in the kernel | 01:43 |
| minute | josch: this won't do it because that driver is not used on our platforms | 01:44 |
| josch | yeah, i figured that out the hard way :) | 01:44 |
| minute | josch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/93/diffs | 01:44 |
| minute | josch: you have a draft reverting my patch that should have fixed that flickering | 01:45 |
| josch | minute: that patch does fix it | 01:45 |
| josch | but that's not how the kernel did it | 01:45 |
| josch | the fix was even applied in the stable 6.12 series | 01:45 |
| minute | josch: you mean they fixed the flickering in mainline, differently? | 01:46 |
| minute | josch: for a311d as well? | 01:46 |
| josch | but drivers/gpu/drm/meson/meson_plane.c did not get changed in a similar way as the revert does between v6.12.9 and v6.12.38 | 01:46 |
| josch | yes, i was trying to find out what fixed it but it's not super high on my priority list because now it... just works XD | 01:46 |
| minute | josch: it works with my patch removed? | 01:46 |
| josch | i was trying to find out what fixed it to leave a comment about it on the relevant bugs | 01:46 |
| josch | minute: yes, the revert patch did not get merged | 01:47 |
| josch | it also works fine in 6.16 without flicker | 01:47 |
| minute | josch: not sure if i understand correctly. did you build a 6.16 with this one removed and the flicker is gone...? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/blob/main/linux/patches6.16/meson-g12b-bananapi-cm4-mnt-reform2/0030-WORKAROUND-meson-plane-disable-afbc-32x8.patch | 01:48 |
| josch | talking about this is different because we talk about the removal of a removal :) | 01:48 |
| minute | josch: my patch there is not a revert | 01:49 |
| minute | josch: it removes some lines of code from the kernel yeah | 01:49 |
| minute | but afaik it's not reverting some kernel commit | 01:49 |
| josch | sorry, i called it a removal because things broke once the lines you removed were added | 01:50 |
| minute | ok. and you have a special kernel build with those lines still in place and the flickering is gone? | 01:50 |
| josch | yes, but the flicker looks different than it looked back then (more frequent) | 01:51 |
| josch | so i have more investigation to do -- maybe it's not even the same flicker | 01:51 |
| josch | i got help with this in #dri-devel two days ago | 01:51 |
| josch | and it might or might not also be connected with hdmi being enabled on a311d borked the startup of sway | 01:52 |
| minute | hmm ok now i'm even more confused :0 | 01:52 |
| minute | so with my patch there is a new kind of flicker? | 01:52 |
| josch | yes, i need to do more work on that topic | 01:52 |
| josch | maybe, please let me investigate more before "wasting" your time with this :) | 01:52 |
| minute | ok, no problem :D | 01:52 |
| josch | but i didn't take the time yet because yesterday when i started bisecting it broke with a nullptr error when booting... | 01:53 |
| josch | so i'll do that another time | 01:53 |
| josch | right now i'm preparing the reform-tools release | 01:53 |
| josch | minute: and i'd like your input on https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/129#note_16202 | 01:53 |
| josch | because reform-check now checks for this but the line never got removed | 01:53 |
| minute | josch: i've forgotten about this, so whatever the current shipping behavior is, it's fine | 01:55 |
| josch | okay, then i revert the checks in reform-check | 01:58 |
| + emdevt (~emdevt@2001:7e8:fa17:7901:889:cfa1:9c37:6514) | 02:29 | |
| josch | MNT Pocket Reform being sold in Germany (but already reserved): https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/3168696838 | 02:31 |
| - AnimaInvicta (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net) | 02:37 | |
| josch | bremner: i want to release the next reform-tools version soon -- maybe you can have a look at https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/issues/8 because as far as i understand you have kernel 6.17rcX running already? | 02:39 |
| - paperManu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~paperManu@72.10.129.226) | 03:26 | |
| bremner | josch: sure. Will try to do it in the next few days | 03:28 |
| bremner | I wonder if I missed an email from gitlab... | 03:28 |
| bremner | not a technical email problem, just a me not reading problem | 03:28 |
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| + dok (~dok@2a01:e0a:12:d860:3696:e5bc:8411:9bc5) | 03:57 | |
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| - emdevt (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~emdevt@2001:7e8:fa17:7901:889:cfa1:9c37:6514) | 07:43 | |
| ch | hello from a train | 07:50 |
| ch | or rather, tren | 07:50 |
| - cobra (QUIT: Server closed connection) (~cobra@user/Cobra) | 07:51 | |
| + cobra (~cobra@user/Cobra) | 07:52 | |
| - kuno (QUIT: Server closed connection) (sid299442@id-299442.helmsley.irccloud.com) | 08:01 | |
| + kuno (sid299442@id-299442.helmsley.irccloud.com) | 08:02 | |
| josch | hello! :) | 08:26 |
| chorc | hello everyone! I'm running my pocket without the charging board, and getting this spamming dmesg: power_supply BAT0: driver failed to report `voltage_now' property: -16 | 08:38 |
| chorc | this is normal, right? and is there a quick way to silence it | 08:39 |
| + reform7228 (~rene@p200300d0ff0561007fc2100dbdd09829.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 08:56 | |
| * reform7228 -> rwa_ | 08:56 | |
| - ZetaR (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~user@c-98-208-141-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 09:00 | |
| - abortretryfail (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~arf@146.ip-149-56-132.net) | 09:10 | |
| + abortretryfail (~arf@146.ip-149-56-132.net) | 09:22 | |
| josch | bremner: i just released the next reform-tools version, so testing the new codepath will be a bit easier for you :) | 10:17 |
| asjackson | Does the MT7612U wifi adapter also have bluetooth? I don't seem to have a bluetooth device 🤔 maybe the rf shield is still touching something (originally i didnt even have wifi because the shield was bent inwards slightly) | 10:34 |
| ch | https://www.mediatek.com/products/broadband-wifi/mt7612u claims bluetooth should exist | 10:55 |
| ch | i *guess* on USB though | 10:55 |
| asjackson | Yeah I have a feeling that bluetooth isn't supported, someone here will know for sure i guess :D | 11:02 |
| ch | you have a pocket with rk? | 11:02 |
| asjackson | yep | 11:03 |
| + mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 11:11 | |
| + andreas-e (~Andreas@2a02-8434-b6a3-e901-facc-8e87-8e54-890d.rev.sfr.net) | 11:12 | |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:85f:9a74:ce00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 11:30 | |
| - rwa_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 255 seconds) (~rene@p200300d0ff0561007fc2100dbdd09829.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 11:40 | |
| minute | ch: asjackson: afaik it doesn't have bluetooth, it's a bit mysterious | 12:01 |
| ch | hmm | 12:01 |
| ch | k | 12:01 |
| asjackson | ah right, no worries | 12:03 |
| minute | this is the card https://asiarf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/M27612-BU3_V1-1P.pdf | 12:04 |
| minute | so maybe if wifi is on usb, bt can't be on usb at the same time, and they didn't put an extra hub and serial-usb converter for bt on the card | 12:05 |
| asjackson | that makes sense. thanks for confirming :) | 12:07 |
| minute | there is a stamp module from ezurio that uses an older cypress/infineon/broadcom chip that has an integrated hub and has a mode where both wifi and bt can be on usb | 12:09 |
| minute | unfortunately the mainline drivers (or fw, not sure) are very broken | 12:09 |
| minute | that's the point where i gave up on usb for wifi and changed the design of rcore to yield another pcie+usb combo connector so we could use a proper card (ax210 and probably a bunch of others) | 12:10 |
| minute | buuut it reminds me there is no bt solution for classic reform yet | 12:11 |
| gordon1 | is there tusb thing but with 6 or 8 ports instead of 4? | 12:13 |
| gordon1 | it would be soo nice to have just spare usbs hanging on headers somewhere on the mb | 12:13 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@72.10.129.226) | 12:14 | |
| gordon1 | one extra can go to mini-pcie, and the rest available for mods | 12:14 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~Thunderbi@98.19.131.193) | 12:35 | |
| bremner | josch: ack re reform-tools | 12:40 |
| + reform15031 (~rene@p200300d0ff056100d042e7e3d691bc19.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 12:41 | |
| * reform15031 -> rwa_ | 12:41 | |
| rwa_ | may classic reform shut down itself due to empty battery cells - this time the OLED does not show anything | 12:42 |
| rwa_ | as minute suggested a few days ago i've plugged in a usb-c charger and left it alone | 12:42 |
| rwa_ | its now charging almost an hour at a rate of 40-45 watts but the systemcontroller is still unresponsive - circle key provokes no reaction | 12:43 |
| rwa_ | how long should i keep it on the charger before doing further steps? | 12:43 |
| - rwa_ (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~rene@p200300d0ff056100d042e7e3d691bc19.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 12:52 | |
| - minute (QUIT: Server closed connection) (~mntirc@softboy.mntmn.com) | 13:36 | |
| + minute (~mntirc@softboy.mntmn.com) | 13:36 | |
| - paperManu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~paperManu@72.10.129.226) | 14:13 | |
| + rwa_ (~rwa_@pd9ffb856.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:33 | |
| rwa_ | it stopped charging, but system controller still unresponsive | 14:33 |
| minute | rwa_: sounds like keyboard is unresponsive | 14:34 |
| minute | not sysctl | 14:34 |
| rwa_ | jep, might have mixed things up | 14:35 |
| minute | you could either: open the bottom and disconnect and reconnect both cables going to kbd, or, open the top and press reset button on kbd | 14:36 |
| rwa_ | reset button on kbd worked | 14:39 |
| - rwa_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~rwa_@pd9ffb856.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 14:57 | |
| * mjw -> Guest7340 | 15:06 | |
| * Guest5996 -> mjw | 15:06 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@h193.131.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) | 15:17 | |
| - bleb (QUIT: Server closed connection) (~cm@user/bleb) | 15:18 | |
| + bleb (~cm@user/bleb) | 15:19 | |
| cwebber | hewwo | 15:36 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~Thunderbi@h193.131.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) | 16:08 | |
| + emdevt (~emdevt@2001:7e8:fa17:7901:889:cfa1:9c37:6514) | 16:09 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 16:11 | |
| - sad_plan (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 4.7.0) (sadplan@tilde.club) | 16:27 | |
| + ZetaR (~user@c-98-208-141-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 16:34 | |
| bremner | josch: what version of reform-tools am I looking for? | 16:34 |
| bremner | (to test the 6.17 compat) | 16:34 |
| minute | rwa_: great | 16:36 |
| minute | cwebber: hi! | 16:36 |
| bremner | josch: assuming 1.77, should I expect to install that via apt? | 16:38 |
| josch | bremner: yes, but dinstall only ran now | 16:39 |
| josch | bremner: according to: | 16:39 |
| josch | curl --silent http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-arm64/Packages.xz | unxz | grep --after-context=1 --line-regexp --fixed-strings 'Package: reform-tools' | 16:39 |
| josch | at least my local mirror still has 1.76... | 16:40 |
| josch | and yes, via apt but as you know, going from "git push" to "apt install" can take 6+ hours... | 16:40 |
| bremner | Ah OK. I'll try again later today | 16:40 |
| bremner | not sure if I just bumped the serial console cable or there is some bad software juju, but apt went into block drawing character mode: https://0x0.st/Kopn.png | 16:51 |
| bremner | I had to quit the tio session and run reset in the containing (alacritty) terminal | 16:51 |
| josch | bremner: i had a very similar experience when upgrading from bookworm to trixie -- everything became unreadable | 16:53 |
| josch | bremner: copying the console content to gedit turned the garbage into readable characters | 16:53 |
| - Guest7340 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 16:53 | |
| bremner | huh. 8th bit problem maybe. Was yours also in a serial console? | 16:53 |
| josch | no, with xfce-terminal | 16:54 |
| bremner | huh^2. | 16:54 |
| + bleb_ (~cm@user/bleb) | 16:57 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 17:01 | |
| - bleb (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~cm@user/bleb) | 17:02 | |
| - minute (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~mntirc@softboy.mntmn.com) | 17:02 | |
| - switchy (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~switchy@mechboards/switchy) | 17:02 | |
| - brennen (QUIT: *.net *.split) (~brennen@user/brennen) | 17:02 | |
| * bleb_ -> bleb | 17:02 | |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 17:02 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 17:03 | |
| + minute (~mntirc@softboy.mntmn.com) | 17:07 | |
| + switchy (~switchy@mechboards/switchy) | 17:08 | |
| + brennen (~brennen@user/brennen) | 17:10 | |
| - emdevt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~emdevt@2001:7e8:fa17:7901:889:cfa1:9c37:6514) | 17:26 | |
| josch | bremner: never mind, the package is still (for more than 6 hours now) in "Needs-Build" state: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=reform-tools | 17:50 |
| josch | so it will hit the archive in 4.5 hours at the earliest | 17:50 |
| - colinsane (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~colinunin@97.113.128.255) | 17:56 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 18:23 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@h193.131.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) | 18:24 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 18:39 | |
| josch | minute: i'm looking into making a simple plymouth theme for the next reform-tools release. Would you like the plain MNT logo or rather display the existing wallpapers like y2k? | 18:49 |
| josch | we can also prepare multiple themes, for example a non-free one with the logo and a free one with y2k or something (we just need names) | 18:54 |
| + AnimaInvicta (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net) | 19:03 | |
| minute | josch: oh cool! your second idea sounds good, i'd like to test when you have something ready | 19:23 |
| josch | okay, for example this is the "spinner" theme but with y2k as background: https://mister-muffin.de/p/6VLd.jpg | 19:26 |
| josch | i'll create a system image with it | 19:27 |
| josch | note though that this should only work on rk3588 | 19:27 |
| - chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:85f:9a74:ce00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 19:32 | |
| minute | imx8mplus kernel 6.15.3 was pretty broken eh | 19:35 |
| minute | josch: cool | 19:36 |
| minute | maybe we could get rid of ubsan warnings for qcacld2 like this https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/blob/fd51786f86e4e39ce3aa0a4ab8c44935496ff7c2/module/os/linux/zfs/zio_crypt.c#L233 | 19:53 |
| minute | via https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/16278#issuecomment-2197759936 | 19:53 |
| minute | josch: btw why does plymouth work only on rk3588? (just curious) | 20:06 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~Thunderbi@h193.131.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) | 20:16 | |
| gordon1 | what is emmc offset of uboot env on rk3588? | 20:20 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 20:22 | |
| gordon1 | CONFIG_ENV_IS_NOWHERE=y no :( | 20:23 |
| - jfred (QUIT: Server closed connection) (c9b58a1025@libera/sponsor/jfred) | 20:34 | |
| + jfred (c9b58a1025@libera/sponsor/jfred) | 20:34 | |
| + sad_plan (sadplan@tilde.club) | 20:37 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Killed (tantalum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))) (~mjw@2001:1c06:2486:a800:7602:5eff:dc71:a72c) | 20:51 | |
| * mark_ -> mjw | 20:51 | |
| + Guest6424 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2486:a800:7602:5eff:dc71:a72c) | 20:51 | |
| - wose (QUIT: Server closed connection) (wose@mail.zuendmasse.de) | 21:06 | |
| + wose (wose@mail.zuendmasse.de) | 21:06 | |
| + colinsane (~colinunin@97.113.128.255) | 21:11 | |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:85f:9a74:ce00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 21:22 | |
| - colinsane (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~colinunin@97.113.128.255) | 21:24 | |
| josch | minute: it didn't work out-of-the-box on a311d nor on imx8mq | 21:27 |
| josch | gordon1: i can give you the offset of u-boot but not of the environment | 21:28 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 21:29 | |
| + colinsane (~colinunin@97.113.128.255) | 21:30 | |
| elb | the pocket reform handbook says that the USB PD port is usable for USB, but as far as I can tell, nothing I plug in actually works | 21:43 |
| elb | should it? | 21:43 |
| josch | elb: it is not usable for usb-data -- where in the handbook does it say that? | 21:44 |
| elb | under "USB 3.0 hub" it says two internal and two external USB ports, and then under right side ports it says "2x USB-C:" and then "Both ports support the connection of USB 3.0/2.0/1.0 devices." | 21:45 |
| elb | both on the hardware page | 21:45 |
| elb | if it's not expected to work, that's workable for me, I just wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong based on the documentation | 21:46 |
| josch | huh, does it actually work? one sec... | 21:49 |
| josch | nope, the usb-c charging port does not do anything when i plug devices into it | 21:52 |
| josch | minute: ^ | 21:52 |
| elb | I haven't checked the schematics yet | 21:54 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 21:55 | |
| gordon1 | josch: yeah, i know the u-boot offset, but env does not exist | 22:12 |
| gordon1 | which is very sad because the only thing i wanted is to increase u-boot boot timeout without re-flashing the whole u-boot | 22:17 |
| jfred | TIL about Zink... could it be possible to use that with PanVK to get more complete OpenGL support on rk3588? | 22:27 |
| gordon1 | i would love to test it with paraview but paraview is broken for python3.13 right now | 22:37 |
| gordon1 | it needs geometry shaders | 22:39 |
| gordon1 | >WARNING: Some incorrect rendering might occur because the selected Vulkan device (Mali-G610) doesn't support base Zink requirements: feats.features.fillModeNonSolid feats.features.shaderClipDistance | 22:50 |
| gordon1 | not a great start, but glxgears work | 22:50 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@72.10.129.226) | 22:50 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~Thunderbi@66.110.201.50) | 22:55 | |
| - andreas-e (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~Andreas@2a02-8434-b6a3-e901-facc-8e87-8e54-890d.rev.sfr.net) | 22:57 | |
| jfred | ah, drat | 22:59 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@98.19.131.193) | 23:01 | |
| gordon1 | superslicer works, freecad works as well | 23:01 |
| gordon1 | kicad works | 23:04 |
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| - colinsane (QUIT: Quit: bye) (~colinunin@97.113.128.255) | 23:09 | |
| + jbmorley_ (sid21953@id-21953.tinside.irccloud.com) | 23:10 | |
| gordon1 | $ vulkaninfo|grep geom | 23:11 |
| gordon1 | geometryShader = false | 23:11 |
| gordon1 | ACTION immediately lost interest | 23:12 |
| + colinsane (~colinunin@97.113.128.255) | 23:12 | |
| josch | gordon1: the variables bootdelay is at offset 8999771 | 23:34 |
| gordon1 | i wanted to use u-boot-tools to change it with fw_setenv, not sure if i'm brave enough to edit my only way of booting the maching with r2 | 23:39 |
| josch | gordon1: it is also entirely possible that the stuff around u-boot (it's not only u-boot that gets flashed but also other stages of the bootloader chain) contain a checksum of u-boot which make this sort of hack impossible but i couldn't say -- just something to look out for | 23:40 |
| - colinsane (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~colinunin@97.113.128.255) | 23:40 | |
| gordon1 | josch: i really doubt that but i don't want to find out :D | 23:57 |
| gordon1 | gonna just live with it now, at least until when i'll get permanent second device | 23:57 |
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