| minute | elb: awesome, sounds like a great fit | 00:01 |
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| minute | gordon1: you mean filling the gap between heatsink and case with some thermal pad/paste? | 00:02 |
| gordon1 | minute: correct | 00:02 |
| minute | gordon1: yeah, that should do something. pad is probably less messy | 00:03 |
| gordon1 | i tried pad first, but even 0.1mm shifts the heatsink so screws are tensioned uncomfortably at an angle when trying to screw those, so i swapped it with thermal paste | 00:04 |
| minute | gordon1: ohh ok | 00:05 |
| elb | josch: yeah that's exactly why I went for the rk3588 | 00:05 |
| elb | I'm running sway, it worked fine business | 00:05 |
| gordon1 | minute: ah, sorry, misinformation, i tried 0.2mm, worth trying with 0.1mm then, but i don't have it at hand | 00:07 |
| gordon1 | do they exist? i'm pretty sure i saw one | 00:08 |
| gordon1 | ah, that might be carbonaut | 00:08 |
| gordon1 | which probably not worth it | 00:09 |
| gordon1 | uh oh EC feels a bit unwell https://0x0.st/Kozy.txt | 00:17 |
| gordon1 | and it sometimes reads ironious values | 00:18 |
| gordon1 | http://0x0.st/Kozt.txt | 00:19 |
| gordon1 | battery screen on the keyboard is fine tho | 00:20 |
| gordon1 | well, as fine as it can be, with flickering etc | 00:21 |
| gordon1 | reboot helped | 00:22 |
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| vkoskiv | josch: I completely forgot to reply the other day! re: kernel & mesa version, currently running 6.15.6-mnt-reform-arm64 and mesa 25.0.7, though I see I have 919 updates pending :D | 01:26 |
| minute | btw anyone having a similar issue of clipped colorspace (esp in shadows) on hdmi? i wonder if rk3588 driver or LG screen issue https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/115092022941048929 | 02:01 |
| henesy | minute: mine looks like the color on the left | 02:06 |
| henesy | on rk3588 | 02:06 |
| henesy | speaking of - recent reform2 image on rk3588 and gnome insists every F key press should be a media key even with hyper held, is there a key combination to access the function keys directly? | 02:08 |
| minute | ok then there might be a HDMI tx driver issue after all | 02:09 |
| minute | henesy: sounds like you engaged hyper lock | 02:09 |
| henesy | what's the key bind for hyper lock? | 02:09 |
| minute | henesy: what type of keyboard is that? | 02:10 |
| minute | henesy: rgb or white backlight? | 02:11 |
| henesy | white | 02:11 |
| minute | (because i couldn't reproduce it with my rgb one now) | 02:11 |
| henesy | i had checked the handbook and didnt see anything | 02:11 |
| minute | maybe it was hyper+esc? | 02:11 |
| henesy | hyp+esc was my first try, didn't do anything for me | 02:11 |
| minute | hyper circle, hyper enter? :D | 02:12 |
| henesy | AHA | 02:12 |
| minute | i forgot, need to check the old fw code | 02:12 |
| henesy | hyper circle! | 02:12 |
| minute | ahhh | 02:12 |
| henesy | i didnt realize the circle key could be bound that way, but if it's fw level that makes sense | 02:12 |
| minute | obscure feature! | 02:12 |
| henesy | NO idea when i triggered that lol | 02:12 |
| henesy | many thanks | 02:13 |
| minute | np! | 02:13 |
| henesy | btw minute for the keyboard v4 what are the dip switch settings for putting the v4 keyboard into the reform2? | 02:14 |
| henesy | the labeling on the dip switches was a little confusing | 02:14 |
| henesy | someone on the forum posted an image of their keyboard switches put in, but i couldn't get my keyboard v4 to be recognized when i had tried | 02:15 |
| henesy | do i have to flash firmware to the keyboard before installation? | 02:15 |
| henesy | i couldn't get the keyboard to be recognized standalone, either | 02:15 |
| minute | henesy: if your switches seem to say "NO" they're just upside down. it says "ON" | 02:16 |
| henesy | i definitely tought they said NO | 02:16 |
| henesy | in my mind i think 1 is on and 0 is off | 02:16 |
| henesy | i just found it a little confusing | 02:16 |
| minute | henesy: maybe you sent a support req about this? because i thought i answered one like that a few days ago | 02:17 |
| henesy | oh i think i did | 02:17 |
| henesy | maybe the response got spammed | 02:17 |
| minute | henesy: 1 is pin 1, ON is on :D | 02:17 |
| minute | henesy: sniff | 02:17 |
| minute | we need different dip switches, these are hella confusing | 02:17 |
| henesy | haha fair enough | 02:19 |
| henesy | https://community.mnt.re/t/upgrading-the-mnt-reform-keyboard-to-v4/2906/3 | 02:19 |
| henesy | this is the thread i was looking at | 02:19 |
| henesy | i don't see a response to my support message in my email | 02:19 |
| henesy | i hope gmail didnt reject it | 02:19 |
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| rwa_ | is there a way to increase the trackball speed in Gnome? i've already set "Pointer Speed" in settings to "fast" but it still rather slow | 07:57 |
| rwa_ | additionally i need to do something with my trackball, it's not running "smooth" in the bearings - it feels uneven or so | 08:09 |
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| josch | vkoskiv: ah okay then with your kernel you should not see the flicker -- it's too new :) | 10:31 |
| josch | yeah +1 for the dip switches :D | 10:34 |
| [tj] | are the rcore boards on the mnt shop the same thing as the rcore v2 boards in the crowdsupply? | 10:35 |
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| rwa_ | fuck, broke one of the nipples of my left mousebutton when i removed it: https://ibb.co/ch7VMm1q | 11:56 |
| gordon1 | rwa_: i did another crude calc here and expect heatsinks on the back of the case to not contribute much to cooling, maybe 3-4 degrees (with perfect, ideal thermal interface again) | 11:57 |
| josch | rwa_: i got one of those out by heating a needle, sticking that into the plastic of the stuck leg/stem in a bit of an angle and then waiting for the plastic around the needle to harden again | 11:57 |
| gordon1 | sla printed caps not supposed to be thermoplastic, do they? | 11:58 |
| gordon1 | rwa_: i know it is too late now, but i usually use cap puller on top and bottom edges of trackball caps to avoid this outcome | 12:00 |
| josch | what i recently changed is to not remove the round keys at all -- i learned that holding the reform up and then just blowing onto the ball very hard un-sticks most of the debris from the sensor below the ball | 12:01 |
| rwa_ | josch: at the moment it's fine where it is, the cap is still somewhat fixed - nice hint with the heated needle, will try this once i decide to replace the cap | 12:03 |
| rwa_ | gordon1: 3 to 4 degress are 3 to 4 degress more then nothing ;) and i just wanted to test this | 12:03 |
| gordon1 | rwa_: well, i expect reality to be more disappointing than 3-4 degrees, probably sub 1 degree, with all the thermal interface-to-anodizing junctions | 12:05 |
| gordon1 | but i still am interested if i'm wrong | 12:05 |
| rwa_ | well see, they should arrive tomorrow | 12:05 |
| rwa_ | for sure it would be more usefull if the back where ribbed from the beginning, but this will probably be more costy | 12:06 |
| gordon1 | i got myself this style of cap puller for trackball caps, it can be bent to widen and it is thin enough to slip between case and the cap | 12:07 |
| gordon1 | https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384981619801 | 12:07 |
| rwa_ | now that i have 3 reform keyboards i should get one of those gadgets... | 12:08 |
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| abortretryfail | Do the rcore CPU boards run any cooler or use less power than the old imx8 does? | 12:40 |
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| josch | abortretryfail: the imx8mq or the imx8m+? | 12:59 |
| josch | abortretryfail: the rk3588 consumes power depending on how you use it -- i get wildly different battery runtimes depending on how i use it | 12:59 |
| gordon1 | rk3588 with thermal paste mode is idling at 48°C rn | 13:07 |
| gordon1 | s/mode/mod/ | 13:07 |
| bremner | do you have to redo that every time you open the back? | 13:32 |
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| josch | the paste is connecting the heatsink with the back of the case, no? then nothing to redo when opening the acrylic, right? I'm considering to perform the same mod to avoid throttling at 85°C | 13:47 |
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| josch-pocket | ch: maybe we can handle this more gracefully: https://paste.debian.net/1393486/ | 13:55 |
| ch | ugh | 13:57 |
| abortretryfail | imx8mq from the reform2 | 13:58 |
| abortretryfail | which idles kind of hot. :) | 13:59 |
| abortretryfail | 85C is 🔥 though. | 13:59 |
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| abortretryfail | I guess what I'm asking is: which is more efficient at sitting around doing something almost idle, like keeping a terminal with an IRC application open. | 14:03 |
| josch | abortretryfail: i can check for you once i'm back home in mid-september | 14:04 |
| ch | josch: did the old version also crash like this? | 14:06 |
| josch | ch: i didn't check the old version, hold on | 14:07 |
| abortretryfail | heh thanks | 14:08 |
| josch | ch: yes | 14:08 |
| josch | abortretryfail: please ping me because i will forget :) | 14:08 |
| abortretryfail | So will I, so we're probably both off the hook. :D | 14:11 |
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| ch | josch: ok :) | 14:14 |
| ch | thanks for checking | 14:14 |
| josch | ch: your todo list or mine? :) | 14:15 |
| josch | i was also thinking about a good interface for now that reform-check can use to print the firmware version | 14:16 |
| josch | but i think i'll just grep the list output with a regex | 14:16 |
| josch | since both reform-mcu-tool and reform-check are from the same source package we can improve that as we go | 14:16 |
| josch | (without having to do version checks and do the right thing depending on the version) | 14:16 |
| gordon1 | bremner: no, only if you remove the heatsink | 14:17 |
| ch | josch: mine. wouldnt mind if you make a ticket "somewhere" and assign me | 14:17 |
| ch | josch: right, re version check + grep | 14:17 |
| josch | ch: thank you! https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/issues/9 | 14:19 |
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| ch | ACTION opens yet another browser tab | 14:20 |
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| gordon1 | minute: it might be confirmation bias, but it feels that i'm getting pl330 dma error only when i'm carrying the reform around in my hands while it is playing something | 14:58 |
| gordon1 | maybe some flex in connectors can cause it? | 14:59 |
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| minute | gordon1: intuitively doesn't sound compelling | 15:41 |
| gordon1 | i agree, but i don't think i ever got this error with reform just quietly sitting somewhere | 15:43 |
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| josch | ch: also, when running the tool with sudo, the Version part is missing from the end even though my firmware is from may and june this year | 17:04 |
| ch | josch: hmm thats weird | 17:05 |
| ch | josch: and fwupdtool --something-something can see it? | 17:08 |
| ch | (it should, but just to double check) | 17:08 |
| josch | i'm flashing the latest official system image which i scheduled yesterday (the last one was 2 weeks old and we have linux 6.16 now) to my sd-card and will check | 17:16 |
| ch | i hope that makes no difference | 17:17 |
| ch | but lets see | 17:17 |
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| josch | ch: yes, fwupdtool get-devices shows both sysctl and keyboard with their respective version | 17:32 |
| josch | and gnome-firmware also shows it | 17:32 |
| ch | then i probably did something stupid! | 17:34 |
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| josch | ch: it's a problem with debian stable -- it works on unstable | 17:40 |
| josch | ch: you are running unstable i guess? | 17:40 |
| ch | ugh | 17:40 |
| ch | yeah, or testing i guess | 17:40 |
| josch | close enough :) | 17:41 |
| ch | .oO( but how... ) | 17:41 |
| josch | no worries, it works | 17:41 |
| ch | with stable you mean trixie? | 17:41 |
| josch | yes | 17:41 |
| josch | ch: it doesn't matter as long as it works in unstable | 17:41 |
| ch | cant say that makes any sense to me | 17:41 |
| josch | i'll figure out what is wrong with trixie | 17:41 |
| ch | python-libusb1 is the same version | 17:41 |
| josch | kernel version? | 17:42 |
| ch | i hope not | 17:42 |
| ch | what the script does is pretty boring usb transactions | 17:42 |
| ch | i cant check before sept 16th however | 17:43 |
| josch | you don't need to -- debian stable maintenance is on my todo list :) | 17:43 |
| ch | to be more clear: i don't have access to my pocket until then | 17:43 |
| josch | if you have too much free time, maybe think about a more machine readable output format instead | 17:43 |
| josch | pff... i have the pocket reform and *two* classic reforms with me ;) | 17:44 |
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| ch | yeah, i was trying to not carry around too much stuff | 17:47 |
| josch | this reminds me: did anybody else notice how the pocket reform is nearly just as wide as the classic reform is deep? | 17:49 |
| josch | and their height is very close too | 17:50 |
| josch | two pockets nearly completely fill the space of one classic reform | 17:50 |
| josch | now i wonder whether the MNT Reform 3 will either be half the size of the Pocket or twice the size of the classic :D | 17:50 |
| ch | two thirds? x) | 17:51 |
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| josch | ch: i thought about adding this to reform-check: https://paste.debian.net/1393516/ | 18:00 |
| ch | s/unable do/unable to/ | 18:01 |
| ch | and maybe s/I: Version/I: Version of/ | 18:02 |
| ch | but this is all nitpicking | 18:02 |
| ch | i think its good | 18:02 |
| josch | thank you for the nits -- fixed! | 18:04 |
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| josch | minute: what is the status on this half year old MR? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/111 | 19:33 |
| f_ | 23:45 <josch> elb: nice! I teach C/C++ and the rk3588 has the advantage over my A311D classic reform that I get to have output on both the internal screen and hdmi | 19:39 |
| f_ | josch: huh? A311D can't output to both the internal screen and hdmi? | 19:40 |
| josch | f_: if it can, please teach me how :) | 19:41 |
| josch | to enable hdmi i have to do: | 19:42 |
| josch | swaymsg output eDP-1 disable; swaymsg output HDMI-A-1 enable | 19:42 |
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| minute | f_: on mainline it can't | 20:48 |
| minute | f_: the hw itself can, but afaik narmstrong didn't figure out how to do it on mainline | 20:48 |
| f_ | ah, right | 20:48 |
| f_ | guess there's less chance the A311D Reform can be my laptop successor for now then | 20:49 |
| f_ | (rk one could! though) | 20:49 |
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| elb | versus with rk3588, I just ... plug it in | 22:38 |
| elb | and magic happens | 22:38 |
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