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| erle | my reform is making a slight sound when i tilt it. i hope it's not again a loose screw. | 00:53 |
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| rwa_ | just curious: is RCORE-DSI the same as RCORE v2? | 09:55 |
| minute | rwa_: dsi means you use the dsi output for internal display instead of a hdmi converter (on classic reform) | 10:52 |
| minute | the main difference between rcore v1+v2 is the signals on the wifi/bt port. on v1, it's sdio+usb. on v2, it's pcie+usb. | 10:53 |
| josch | minute: but i thought there was a hardware difference which means that those who upgraded their classic reform early with rcore v1 have to de-solder a resistor to convert it from non-dsi to dsi? | 10:55 |
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| minute | josch: that is another difference, right. v1 doesn't have the reset signal for the dsi to edp converter connected, v2 does | 11:20 |
| josch | ah right | 11:26 |
| josch | rwa_: then i think "rcore-dsi" is the name for the device tree which an be used for both adapter boards (v1 and v2) but v1 needs a small hardware mod for the rcore-dsi dtb to work | 11:27 |
| rwa_ | hm | 11:28 |
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| amk | does the pocket support hdmi/DP out on the USB-C ports? or is it just the microhdmi? | 12:43 |
| josch | amk: just microhdmi | 12:44 |
| amk | ah cool, explains my docks not displaying :D | 12:44 |
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| asjackson | got my mnt pocket kit and its all working now. had an odd issue with the wifi, wasnt showing up despite many reseats. i noticed the shield was a bit squashed and bent it up, and now its working. think it might have been shorting slightly | 13:17 |
| asjackson | that took me ages to type. gonna take some time to get used to this tiny keyboard | 13:17 |
| minute | asjackson: uh oh @ shield, glad it still works! and great the diy build works | 13:21 |
| asjackson | it was great fun, really impressed with how everything was packaged. well done everyone at mnt and thanks for the cool tiny gay laptop | 13:23 |
| grimmware | you get used to the keyboard :) | 13:24 |
| asjackson | i am slowly getting faster (and pressing backspace less) :D | 13:26 |
| asjackson | this thing is adorable | 13:31 |
| rwa_ | have fun :) | 13:33 |
| rwa_ | what i really like on my Classic Reform is that i can knock out anoying people and it still will work after that :D | 13:33 |
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| josch | rwa_: it will also survive 3 year olds jumping on it, falling off tables, bike crashes and first year students -- ask me how i know ;) | 13:46 |
| josch | i'm currently in a train between barcelona and sevilla and the spanish train system does an x-ray of all luggage -- i am slightly annoyed that they did not find either of the three reforms I carry... | 13:47 |
| rwa_ | lol | 13:49 |
| ch | :D | 13:51 |
| ch | will you stay in sevilla for some time? | 13:51 |
| josch | yes, for about 23 minutes | 13:52 |
| josch | final destination is south of portugal | 13:52 |
| josch | ch: why, did i miss a VAC message on debian-devel? ;) | 13:52 |
| ch | rn on a plane to valencia, and next wed i'll take a train to malaga | 13:53 |
| ch | could also check out seville then :) | 13:53 |
| ch | josch: i didnt write one ;) | 13:53 |
| ch | ah 23min is a bit too short :) | 13:53 |
| josch | yeah, neither will i -- i'll be online too often for that to be necessary i think :D | 13:54 |
| ch | yes | 13:54 |
| josch | and i took half my hardware in the hope that i get a few reform todo items done during "vacation" :) | 13:54 |
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| ch | i was pondering to take some but i have enough work to take care off anyway | 13:56 |
| josch | with imx8mq and a311d there was the point where no more work needed to be done because it was... finished :) | 13:59 |
| josch | just a few more items left for pocket, rk3588 and mb3.0/keyboardv4 | 14:00 |
| ch | can you actually continue by train to portugal? | 14:13 |
| ch | it seemed like the train network doesnt reach there | 14:13 |
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| amk | another silly question, how might i start sway from a tty? when i do my trackball doesnt work (but usb mouse does), it works okay when started via gdm though | 14:56 |
| ch | just "sway" afaik. maybe the input devices in /dev/input dont have the correct permissions? | 15:03 |
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| amk | i think it is actually working, but only if i move it in very small increments, so maybe its some sort of sensitivity issue | 15:06 |
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| josch | ch: that is correct. Me and two other poor souls are currently in a bus from Sevilla to Faro. They stopped all train connections between spain and portugal with covid... | 15:41 |
| josch | amk: if the trackball does not work there is usually some dirt on the sensor | 15:42 |
| josch | amk: try holding it up and then blow on the trackball -- doing that usually gets rid of the debris | 15:42 |
| josch | if that does not help, remove the round keys, unscrew the trackball lid, remove the trackball and visually inspect whether any dirt is covering the sensor | 15:43 |
| amk | huh yep that worked, it just happened to coincide with me disabling gdm lol working again now, thanks! | 15:43 |
| gordon1 | i did a bit of a disgusting discovery, if you take the ball (even the stock POM one) and wash and scrub it thoroughly with IPA, it stops tracking well for a while, but then it recovers after a while | 16:06 |
| gordon1 | so i did handle SiN ball for 30 minutes just rolling it in my hands and it tracks way better now, though still not satisfactory | 16:07 |
| gordon1 | okay, something interesting happened in dmesg https://0x0.st/Kipl.txt | 16:19 |
| gordon1 | video stuttered for a bit in mpv, but after a restart it works fine again | 16:19 |
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| bremner | I guess IPA is not beer in this context | 18:00 |
| gordon1 | correct, that is isopropyl alcohol or rubbing alcohol | 18:01 |
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| kop316 | bremner: I knew a guy who did spill that type of IPA on his laptop. We actually were able to clean it up with the right IPA and get it fixed | 18:20 |
| frickler | regarding trackball: does anyone else have the issue on the pocket that it is getting almost unusable when the keyboard is tilted upright? like while lying on your back? even more than 45° become difficult | 18:23 |
| frickler | or did I maybe assemble it wrong? | 18:24 |
| gordon1 | once i learned why you not supposed to use IPA in ultrasonic cleaner, surprisingly nothing burned down, even the cleaner still worked after that | 18:24 |
| gordon1 | only new pair of trousers was required | 18:24 |
| minute | frickler: it is definitely an achilles heel of the trackball that it can "fall" upwards | 18:25 |
| frickler | minute: yes, that leads to big jumps when touching it and when removing the finger again. any solution to that would be great | 18:28 |
| minute | josch: are you getting cell connection to pocket in that bus or how are you online? | 18:28 |
| minute | frickler: yeah. if you find a solution, do tell | 18:29 |
| minute | unipolar magnet sth sth | 18:29 |
| gordon1 | need to solve quantum physics first, then we'll get nice things! | 18:32 |
| gordon1 | is pocket ball rides on small bearing balls like classic reform? | 18:34 |
| gordon1 | maybe adding more balls can help | 18:34 |
| gordon1 | *more small balls | 18:34 |
| minute | gordon1: right, bearings on top could work. | 18:37 |
| gordon1 | something like six balls in two concentric circles, five fixed and one that fits through a hole and is locked from the back, so you can drop the ball, put locking ball in and it makes everything captive | 18:40 |
| gordon1 | not sure if i explained it well | 18:40 |
| asjackson | my mnt can raytrace in kicad faster than my intel laptop 🪛 | 18:44 |
| asjackson | amazed how fast it is | 18:44 |
| minute | asjackson: nice! for me also the rk3588's GPU is faster in kicad than my dedicated intel gpu in my work pc... not sure why :D | 18:48 |
| asjackson | pretty wild | 18:50 |
| asjackson | might say more about intel gpu :D | 18:51 |
| minute | yeah. not sure what's going on there | 18:53 |
| minute | ironically i bought this GPU for an Ampere Altra build. but that didn't happen because my radeon died and i needed the gpu for work | 18:54 |
| minute | anyway. MNT Reform Next motherboard revision 4 pcb samples finally ordered... whew | 18:54 |
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| josch | minute: yes, the quectel modem was getting a connection in france, spain and now portugal without problems | 20:25 |
| minute | josch: nice! | 20:26 |
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| jfred | The table on this newsletter page with shipment dates seems to go backwards for the Pocket Reform upgrade bundles (2025-06-12 to 2025-04-04?): https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2025-07-31-july-update.html | 20:43 |
| jfred | Is the end date supposed to be 08-04? (If so, drat, guess I just missed that batch ordering on 8/8?) | 20:43 |
| minute | jfred: ah meh, sorry for that, i think it's 2024-06-12 | 20:52 |
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| minute | jfred: will feedback this but it'll be updated only on monday i think | 20:52 |
| jfred | no worries! | 20:53 |
| minute | afaik all of the ones ordered til 04-04 are shipped now | 20:53 |
| minute | the current batch reaches to july iirc. i'll get this table updated on monday | 20:53 |
| jfred | mine was the new rcore board without the rk3588, if that makes a difference | 20:53 |
| minute | jfred: sorry, looking at this again, i guess the 2025-06-12 is correct, but the end date is wrong and i don't know the correct one by heart, but it'll be fixed | 20:55 |
| jfred | that's okay, thank you :) | 20:55 |
| bremner | In case anyone is curious, I have rebased the reform patches on top of 6.17~rc2 https://salsa.debian.org/bremner/collabora-rockchip-3588 | 20:58 |
| bremner | Seems to work OK, I haven't really stress tested it, but I am typing this on a pocket booted into that kernel | 20:58 |
| bremner | that branch (reform-patches) also has some PCI reset patches on it | 21:00 |
| minute | bremner: oh nice, futuristic kernel | 21:03 |
| bremner | yes ;) | 21:03 |
| josch | minute: do you want to hit the merge button on 6.16.1? :) | 21:05 |
| minute | josch: yeah | 21:06 |
| josch | it also has the display freq fix but untested for older innolux displays | 21:06 |
| josch | on the other hand, those people who i know have upgraded their old classic reform with rk3588 like vagrantc or gsora are also not online right now | 21:07 |
| josch | oh sorry, gsora is idling | 21:07 |
| josch | just vagrant is not here | 21:07 |
| gordon1 | last time i tried this pci reset patch was waking up nvmes from hibernate | 21:23 |
| josch | gordon1: with 6.17? | 21:24 |
| gordon1 | if we're talking about the same thing | 21:24 |
| gordon1 | no, it was 6.15 something iirc | 21:24 |
| gordon1 | it was a while ago | 21:24 |
| josch | we might've merged "that patch" with 6.16.1 i think? | 21:24 |
| bremner | gordon1: it's not waking up something for me, it never comes back | 21:24 |
| gordon1 | bremner: black screen after return from hibernate? | 21:25 |
| josch | did you try without pcie? just booting from sd-card? pcie is "just" for nvme or wifi, no? | 21:25 |
| gordon1 | i'm pretty sure there is something else with panfrost | 21:25 |
| gordon1 | josch: i never tried it on reform, tried it on rock5b+ from initramfs and checked which devices woke up | 21:26 |
| bremner | gordon1: yes, some messages about unable to resume PHY on the serial console | 21:26 |
| gordon1 | now that i have display on my reform finally - i can look at what happens with panfrost | 21:26 |
| bremner | I can grab the messages, 1 sec | 21:27 |
| gordon1 | just need another machine, was too hasty to decommission my thinkpad | 21:27 |
| gordon1 | (plan is to have serial console on uconsole, excuse the pun, but whenever it comes - nobody knows) | 21:28 |
| bremner | https://paste.debian.net/1392902/ | 21:28 |
| gordon1 | bremner: that's with 6.17, isn't it? | 21:29 |
| bremner | yes. | 21:29 |
| bremner | + a few patches from mani@kernel.org | 21:29 |
| gordon1 | yeah, i thought this thing was fixed by link reset patch, but apparetnly it didn't | 21:29 |
| bremner | I have been meaning to mention on the appropriate mailing lists that this isn't working, but the messages are pretty much the same as the first time I asked (and was suggested an an additional series of 4 patches), so I am not too optimistic. | 21:32 |
| bremner | josch: interesting idea. I'm not sure if the kernel needs modding too, or just not use the devices. nvme is currently idle and wifi module is removed. | 21:36 |
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| elb | hmmm I installed an NVMe SSD in my Pocket Reform and the machine seems to have hard locked at 70% of reform-migrate | 23:06 |
| elb | not responding to the keyboard, trackball, or pings | 23:06 |
| elb | ok, simply mounting a filesystem on the device and doing a lot of I/O results in a lockup | 23:15 |
| josch | elb: ouch -- what nvme is that? | 23:15 |
| elb | sk hynix gold p31 | 23:16 |
| elb | I'm going to try to ssh in and leave a dmesg going, see if it squeezes out any errors on the way | 23:16 |
| elb | unfortunately nothing that made it out via ssh, at least | 23:24 |
| elb | is there a serial console enabled by default on the .1" header on the motherboard? | 23:30 |
| elb | the handbook doesn't seem to say | 23:31 |
| elb | oh wait yes it does, I was in the wrong chapter | 23:31 |
| elb | huh the pinout in the pocket reform handbook is wrong | 23:43 |
| elb | man I'm getting really terrible copy off this port, I'm not sure my adapter is good for 1.5 Mbps | 23:46 |
| elb | when I opened it up to plug in a serial cable, I reseated the ribbon cable on the SOM adapter board at both ends (I assume it's PCIe, I didn't look), the SOM adapter board, and the NVMe, and so far I've written out 7 10 GiB files without problems, maybe it was a connection issue? The back also isn't on, and it does put a fair bit of pressure on the SOM, I wonder if problems will show up if I reinstall the back plate | 23:54 |
| elb | ok never mind, just got a spontaneous reboot | 23:57 |
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