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| rwa_ | my "old" IdeaPad has been reinstalled with LMDE and will be forwarded to my sister | 08:51 |
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| rwa_ | so from today the Reform will be may main linux computing device :) | 08:51 |
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| josch | big step :) | 09:32 |
| josch | rwa_: let us know how it goes -- i also have a rcore-dsi rk3588 reform with me but my a311d is still the main device and the other is to tinker | 09:33 |
| rwa_ | i've already mainly used it in the last days, everything i need day to day is available in Debian stable | 09:41 |
| rwa_ | biggest step was the switch from Arch to Debian, but alas the Reform does not need a rolling distro | 09:42 |
| rwa_ | not sure how i keep my AUR PKGBUILDs updated... :D | 09:42 |
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| gordon1 | i think that is a steady state of kernel compilation, at least after 20 mins or so https://0x0.st/KzQY.txt (first two cooling devices are pcie aspm? they are always active, last four - cpu thermal throttling that are all 0s) | 11:08 |
| rwa_ | hm...a lot cooler than mine | 11:27 |
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| gordon1 | tbh now i am worried that thermal throttling does not work at all, how to test it? | 11:54 |
| gordon1 | ah, nvm, all thermal trips are at 85°C, not 80°C that i thought for some reason | 11:58 |
| gordon1 | rwa_: if i had to guess that is either related to a laptop stand or (which is unlikely) to the small thermal interface i added between heatsink and the metal case on the back | 12:00 |
| rwa_ | i drilled some holes in the bottom plate and added a bit of thermal grease between the heatsink and the backplate | 12:08 |
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| rwa_ | i left the device when the batteries where at 2.7V - a few minutes later it only shows this: https://ibb.co/gMQ7gz0D | 13:41 |
| rwa_ | device is now unresponsive, OLED still shows this state | 13:42 |
| andreas-e | But you do have the new battery boards? I sometimes got deep discharges with the old ones, and that probably kills the batteries. But probably I am missing context from yesterday :) | 13:46 |
| rwa_ | the device is only a week old, so yes it should have the protected battery boards | 13:47 |
| rwa_ | will try a systemcontroller reset then | 13:52 |
| rwa_ | LPCRST has no effect, OLED still showing the values, circle menu unresponsive | 13:59 |
| rwa_ | removing all battery cells did the trick, it's now charging | 14:05 |
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| minute | rwa_: just let it charge | 16:13 |
| minute | rwa_: ah, i see you did something already. it is not necessary to do anything though. if it happens again, just wait. those measurements are not real (BB is in protection mode), but it's hard to determine and show that | 16:14 |
| josch | minute: are the step files the preferred form of modification for the pocket reform case? Or am i failing to find the original source of the step files in the pocket-reform repo? | 16:18 |
| rwa_ | minute: ah ok, thanks :) | 16:18 |
| minute | josch: step is best, otherwise there's only fusion which is windows/mac only | 16:18 |
| josch | okay! | 16:19 |
| josch | minute: does this mean that if i want to contribute an improvement i create a merge request for those step files? | 16:20 |
| minute | josch: that's a possibility, but it won't get merged as any improvements would go through ana and her fusion design. a step will help, but most important would be some drawings and a rationale | 16:23 |
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| josch | ah okay, thank you | 16:39 |
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| amk | heya, is the antenna still meant to be stuck down on the 3.5mm jack board for the pocket? the molex/antenna cable thing isnt long enough to reach, is there another good option? | 17:11 |
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| amk | ended up sticking it to the left of the backplate, seems to work alright :) | 18:08 |
| amk | typed from my new pocket! | 18:09 |
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| gordon1 | so, i took the SiN ball, heated it up cherry red, and sprayed it with 81% phsosphoric acid from a small pulverizer, it did create optical pattern on the surface of the ball, but unfortunately it did not improve trackball tracking | 20:32 |
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| josch | amk: congrats! | 21:24 |
| josch | gordon1: oh wow you went all out! | 21:24 |
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| minute | gordon1: sounds involved! does it look interesting? | 21:48 |
| minute | also: we just launched rcore on crowd supply: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt-research/mnt-reform-rcore-v2-with-rk3588 | 21:48 |
| josch | $1 goal? :D | 21:49 |
| josch | in the table, a311d is listed as 4 gb which i guess is technically correct but only 3.6 GiB can be used by linux | 21:51 |
| josch | minute: in the table it says "yes" for imx8mq compatibility with pocket reform | 21:53 |
| minute | josch: yes, $1 means we will do it even if there's only 1 sale ;) | 21:57 |
| minute | josch: imx8mq technically can work in pocket :D | 21:58 |
| minute | not sure if i ever published the dts for that though | 21:59 |
| josch | heh :) | 21:59 |
| josch | okay, good to know! | 21:59 |
| ch | reminds me i have a pending order | 21:59 |
| josch | ch: for the rcore v2 upgrade board? | 21:59 |
| ch | yes | 22:00 |
| josch | yeeeh same hear :) | 22:00 |
| josch | *here | 22:00 |
| minute | the team is currently working on a batch with all orders till beginning of july i think | 22:01 |
| minute | if i'm not mistaken we've caught up with may (except for a few a311ds and one order with rkx7) | 22:01 |
| minute | josch: ch: which order dates? | 22:02 |
| josch | i think i ordered right when it was announced, so August 8 | 22:03 |
| minute | ahh the upgrade board (carrier) | 22:03 |
| josch | yup | 22:03 |
| ch | august 7 | 22:04 |
| ch | yeah | 22:04 |
| josch | i'm travelling to portugal right now and while lte internet works, having wifi at the same time would be reeeeally nice :) https://mister-muffin.de/p/vx8D.jpg | 22:06 |
| ch | hm | 22:07 |
| ch | support.mnt.re order -> another issue with my order -> submit fails with Something went wrong. Try again later. | 22:07 |
| ch | in two browsers | 22:07 |
| minute | ch: oh no | 22:08 |
| minute | why does it happen when i'm finally outside eating something :D | 22:08 |
| ch | error "invalid_email_from" | 22:08 |
| ch | in the json from /api | 22:09 |
| minute | weird! but your email is super valid? | 22:09 |
| ch | my name wasnt | 22:10 |
| minute | ch: maybe you can dm me the input that wasn't accepted | 22:10 |
| ch | had a , in there | 22:10 |
| minute | huh. | 22:10 |
| minute | ahh and in the backend this is glued to the email i guess | 22:11 |
| minute | so there's a name in libredesk | 22:11 |
| minute | btw semi related, this was a fun one https://github.com/abhinavxd/libredesk/issues/122#issuecomment-3201519643 | 22:12 |
| minute | (in case you're wondering what i'm doing when not fixing bugs in the actual products) | 22:14 |
| ch | oh my | 22:15 |
| ch | i'm on 'fun' tasks like moving my paperless-ngx install. at least i dont have to debug it too | 22:18 |
| minute | haha well well | 22:20 |
| minute | i guess that's on me for using alpha software | 22:20 |
| gordon1 | minute: it doesn't really look particularly different, some areas of the ball is very slightly lighter hue, i thought that would be enough but apparently i need to do something more radical (probably just leave the acid for longer) | 22:26 |
| gordon1 | minute: https://tinystash.undef.im/il/2cuyE8NY6FhkyWDdiFYspR89DpnsyfGjiQiN6C9nBKCym1e3dpuW8temdL7yhHq1eTC24VS8QuonTNfadHgJtheM.JPG | 22:29 |
| gordon1 | is there any place where i could get those black delrin balls btw? | 22:30 |
| gordon1 | neither ebay nor aliexpress didn't yield any results | 22:35 |
| josch | gordon1: as m.inute agreed that your patch is correct, how would you like to be attributed in the Author field of the git commit? | 22:41 |
| gordon1 | josch: sure | 22:42 |
| gordon1 | i mean whatever is more convenient to you, i wont' hold a grudge if i wont be | 22:42 |
| josch | gordon1: right now the git commit has: | 22:43 |
| josch | Author: Gordon Q <@gordon> | 22:43 |
| gordon1 | good enough? | 22:43 |
| josch | but we can fix this with any name and email that you wish to see there | 22:43 |
| josch | if you tell me it's good enough then we leave it like that | 22:43 |
| gordon1 | good enough then | 22:44 |
| josch | but it would be helpful if it were the same as any potential future commits of yours are | 22:44 |
| josch | i.e. whatever you have configured as email and author in your ~/.gitconfig | 22:44 |
| gordon1 | they will, i'll use credentials i registered on source.mnt.re | 22:44 |
| josch | but you probably registered there with a "real" email address, no? | 22:45 |
| gordon1 | i did | 22:45 |
| josch | then why not put that? :) | 22:45 |
| gordon1 | ok, sure, put it there: gordon@niflheim.info | 22:45 |
| gordon1 | i'll use that if i'll do any MRs on the gitlab then | 22:46 |
| josch | okay! | 22:46 |
| gordon1 | found 25.4mm black delrin balls for sale, will they work? | 22:49 |
| minute | gordon1: which country are you in? regarding the pom balls | 22:49 |
| gordon1 | UK | 22:49 |
| minute | 25.4 is probably too thick | 22:49 |
| minute | gordon1: we can just mail you a ball or two | 22:50 |
| gordon1 | i mean it would be awesome, i can keep chat updated on my experiments then | 22:50 |
| minute | we got ours from a ball factory on alibaba | 22:50 |
| minute | gordon1: but yeah, experiments always welcome | 22:50 |
| gordon1 | yeah, i found them on alibaba but they want minimum order of 100 | 22:51 |
| gordon1 | i don't think i need that much | 22:51 |
| minute | gordon1: yeah. you could open a UK reform ball store ;) | 22:51 |
| gordon1 | i would love to, unfortunately at the moment the only ones that work well are stainless steel ones | 22:52 |
| minute | gordon1: hmm something wrong with your sensor? the original ball should normally work well. white ones also work, just not in mega sunlight | 22:52 |
| minute | white ones might be easier to get | 22:53 |
| gordon1 | it is so sad, SiN ball tracks beaitifully if you add 2-3mm distance from the sensor, but there is no space | 22:53 |
| josch | i tried the silicone nitrite ball for both classic and pocket reform and it works way better for the pocket even though the sensor is the same | 22:53 |
| gordon1 | oh, no, don't worry, original one works too | 22:53 |
| josch | maybe it is related to other factors like distance of sensor from the surface? | 22:53 |
| gordon1 | i meant in addition to original one | 22:53 |
| minute | gordon1: could you make a new holder for a bit smaller SiN ball? | 22:54 |
| gordon1 | yeah i think that might work | 22:54 |
| gordon1 | for 20mm or so | 22:54 |
| minute | yeah or just few mm less so that it all maths out? | 22:54 |
| gordon1 | i also tried little teflon balls instead of stainless bearings in the cup and the movement is so much smoother, however there is no reasonable way to hold them in there, they work fine with the ball in, but the moment you take the ball out they threaten to fall off to the sensor, and CA doesn't help to hold them | 22:56 |
| gordon1 | i tried to model a rim but my printer is not capable of printing such details, maybe SLA can do the job | 22:57 |
| minute | ahh, intricate | 22:57 |
| gordon1 | but yeah, i think i'll give 20mm ball a try next | 22:58 |
| gordon1 | wow they like 0.5x the price | 22:59 |
| minute | spherical volumes are very counterintuitive :D | 23:00 |
| jfred | all this customization talk reminded me that one of these days it'd be fun to try making my own reform like jacqueline did | 23:00 |
| gordon1 | yep | 23:00 |
| jfred | but, eternal project list | 23:00 |
| gordon1 | you just need a cnc and a 3d printer! (maybe two) | 23:01 |
| jfred | we have both of those at the local hackerspace :) | 23:01 |
| gordon1 | perfect | 23:02 |
| jfred | (now, am I cleared to use the CNC on my own yet? absolutely not lol) | 23:02 |
| jfred | SMD soldering I also don't have much experience yet, that'd be a big learning experience (but one I've been wanting to do for a while now) | 23:03 |
| jfred | s/experience/experience with/ | 23:03 |
| gordon1 | that is much simpler than people tend to think btw | 23:03 |
| jfred | oh really? | 23:04 |
| gordon1 | you do want some magnification if you do <0603 | 23:05 |
| jfred | I guess with a stencil putting solder paste in all the right places is probably straightforward | 23:05 |
| gordon1 | well, that's cheating | 23:06 |
| jfred | heheh | 23:06 |
| gordon1 | i was talking about soldering it with hot air or soldering iron | 23:06 |
| gordon1 | just get yourself some smd solder practice kit and give it a try, you'll be surprised | 23:06 |
| gordon1 | oh, one more piece of advice, face mask is also of immense help | 23:07 |
| kfx | just don't get old! might as well use the stencil. sooner or later you're gonna | 23:07 |
| gordon1 | so you won't blow the pieces off | 23:07 |
| jfred | aha, hadn't thought of that | 23:07 |
| gordon1 | well, that's true | 23:07 |
| gordon1 | tbh stencils are so cheap now there is no reason to order a board without one | 23:08 |
| gordon1 | but with jlc and their prices very soon you just can order it preasembled, they are embarrassingly cheap | 23:08 |
| jfred | now *that's* cheating :P | 23:09 |
| jfred | learning how to solder SMD parts by hand is useful regardless if you need to repair something (I've had to repair my reform before) | 23:09 |
| gordon1 | that is true | 23:09 |
| jfred | what I would have given for a pair of hot tweezers at that point lol | 23:09 |
| gordon1 | just use a bigger tip | 23:11 |
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