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| ^alex | reform-flash-rescue did the job, ta | 00:06 |
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| ^alex | (it still barfed up the sanitizer errors but it didn't halt boot this time) | 00:06 |
| gordon1 | okay, fixed superslicer 2.7.61.8 with bunch of patches, now it works | 00:21 |
| ^alex | hmm so even with the latest sysctl firmware from the tree, it looks like disconnecting the power-devilry cable leaves the charger thinking the AC is good? | 00:27 |
| ^alex | like, its goes from "ON BAT" to "ON AC" and doesn't go back when unplugged | 00:28 |
| ^alex | maybe when the PD state machine goes from plugged-in to unplugged it should reset the charger IC | 00:28 |
| minute | erle: yes, etnaviv is partially broken nowadays for some games like neverball, i hope it'll be fixed some day | 00:44 |
| minute | ^alex: maybe ch has some insight on that | 00:44 |
| ch | hmm | 00:45 |
| ch | iirc this happens because of the backfeeding | 00:45 |
| ch | ^alex: does the PD state actually change? :) | 00:49 |
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| ^alex | ch, the state changes, yes | 01:08 |
| ch | the AC/BAT indication is base off the acok flag from the charger. it is documented as: V_in > V_in_uvlo | 01:20 |
| ^alex | hm | 01:20 |
| ch | should probably take another look | 01:20 |
| ch | resetting the charger might help, but it sounds a bit like fixing the 'wrong' issue. https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/37 has initial logic to enable the watchdog on the charger | 01:21 |
| ch | i'm a bit sceptical of resetting the charger, say, in charger_disable_charge, as the charger POR defaults are not great | 01:21 |
| ^alex | i mean we would then follow up to set it back to the desired state. | 01:25 |
| ^alex | also hm, the datasheet isn't particularly clear about the behavior of that pin, besides the insistence that it have a pull-up | 01:26 |
| ch | yeah the datasheet is not clear about anything | 01:26 |
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| erle | for future reference (historical record in irc logs), the difference in fps between shaders off and shaders on in the MNT reform2 with mineclonia is 40fps vs ~15 fps, so playable vs not playable. | 03:17 |
| erle | (with minetest/luanti) | 03:17 |
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| bremner | oops, what happened there | 03:20 |
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| ^alex | bremner, seems to be a quit message. (if it were an actual kline it would have not said `Quit: ` at the start.) | 04:20 |
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| josch | bremner: i went to school together with erle -- they have a hang for the dramatic ;) | 07:23 |
| josch | (erle was the one who made me learn about MNT and their laptop four years ago) | 07:24 |
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| rwa_ | gordon1: you mentioned some sort of electronic noise emitted by your Reform after you've patched the PWM of the display - i can hear that too, it's not "loud" by any means, but perfectly noticeable when there is only ambient noise in the room | 09:22 |
| rwa_ | have you by chance tried if different PWM values actually make a difference? | 09:22 |
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| gordon1 | rwa_: nah, too lazy for that, sorry, maybe when i'll get to testing suspend/hibernate | 09:38 |
| gordon1 | generally i think the higher the better so 1000 Hz should improve things, but that is maximum freq from the datasheet so potentially can be unstable | 09:39 |
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| rwa_ | yeah, thats fine, was just curious - thanks that you actually had the time to dig into this issue :) | 09:50 |
| gordon1 | tbh the only reason of me being lazy here is that reform kernel ebuild is very strange, it does not install the sources and does not allow me to compile my own kernel, so it forces me to either hack in dts or build it from scratch every time | 09:55 |
| gordon1 | i need to make a more classic one, like in gentoo-sources | 09:55 |
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| rwa_ | i think i've read it somewhere but can't find it anymore, whats a "safe" lower boundary of battery voltage on the Reform? | 12:00 |
| rwa_ | iirc it's something like 2.6V that the device still can operate on | 12:00 |
| rwa_ | at the moment all cells show 3.1V but the percentage says 0%... :D | 12:01 |
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| gordon1 | 2.5V is a protection cutoff iirc | 12:04 |
| gordon1 | if you're talking about lifepo4 | 12:05 |
| rwa_ | yeah, talking about the 18650 in classic reform | 12:05 |
| gordon1 | yeah, i think that's because EC needs to learn the capacity, before i charge-discharge cycle my reform first time it also reported 0% for couple of hours of worktime | 12:07 |
| gordon1 | now it is more accurate | 12:07 |
| gordon1 | okay, i think i totally misjudged the thermals on classic reform, i was sure that it needs active cooling to sustain long heavy loads, but it actually totally fine with compiling stuff for prolonged amount of time without even hitting throttling threshold, it all just get a bit warm, like a cat | 12:14 |
| gordon1 | i think i judged by my rock5b that i crammed with two nvmes and poe in a very confined case so i had to add a fan on lowest rpm to force some air | 12:15 |
| gordon1 | glad i don't need to do that with reform | 12:15 |
| rwa_ | hm...i had some thermal issues under sustained heavy load: https://community.mnt.re/t/rk3588-overheating/3672/9 | 12:21 |
| gordon1 | interesting, i did compile the kernel and it never reached 80°C for me | 12:22 |
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| gordon1 | also compiled superslicer like 10 times since yesterday | 12:28 |
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| rwa_ | do you have any case mods in place or some sort of stand the device is on? | 12:55 |
| rwa_ | the bottom plate got pretty hot, so i think the heatsink is in place properly but the hot air does not get out of the case fast enough | 12:56 |
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| gordon1 | rwa_: i have a laptop lap cushion with flat plastic top | 13:08 |
| gordon1 | i also put slim thermal interface between the heatsink and case where it touches metal part of the back | 13:09 |
| gordon1 | but not 100% it made any difference | 13:10 |
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| gordon1 | also pl330 issue didn't reappear after i tweaked some DMA settings in the kernel and compiled alsa stuff into a module, despite me having mpv playing on background for the whole day | 13:14 |
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| gordon1 | rwa_: okay, so i've added cpu frequency indication on my status bar so i can see at a glance if it is throttling, will report later | 13:17 |
| gordon1 | if gonna do some heavy compiling or something | 13:18 |
| rwa_ | thanks | 13:26 |
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| rwa_ | using the back of the device for additionally thermal capacity and surface seems a neat idea | 13:53 |
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| erle | when should the reform totally hang under normal circumstances? | 21:52 |
| erle | i think it might be a 3d issue, given i played luanti, but i can not tell | 21:52 |
| erle | anyone knowing how to debug such a thing? journalctl is silent | 21:52 |
| gordon1 | i think the best way is to enable serial console and see the kernel output during a hang, panic or kernel oops could happen and it will output some useful information there | 21:56 |
| erle | i have literally no idea how to do that haha | 21:57 |
| erle | also i have had only one hang so far | 21:57 |
| erle | i thought there were maybe log files or so | 21:57 |
| gordon1 | but yeah not sure if i can suggest something more user-friendly, that would be my go-to | 21:57 |
| gordon1 | are we talking about classic reform or pocket reform? | 21:58 |
| erle | MNT reform2 with imx8 something, vivante GPU | 21:58 |
| erle | (i think) | 21:58 |
| gordon1 | if kernel dies completely nothing is left to write some logs | 21:58 |
| erle | i don't even know if it does | 21:58 |
| erle | all i see is no screen change | 21:59 |
| gordon1 | there is a feature called kernel crash log but i never tried using it | 21:59 |
| erle | and i don't have a REISUB option since there is no key for it | 21:59 |
| gordon1 | is it with new motherboard 3.0 with usb-c? | 21:59 |
| gordon1 | or older one? | 21:59 |
| erle | (the magic sysRQ thing) | 21:59 |
| erle | no, unfortunately i do not have usb-c! | 21:59 |
| erle | (i think) | 21:59 |
| erle | brb bathroom | 21:59 |
| erle | (it can take a while, sorry for TMI) | 21:59 |
| erle | ok i am back | 22:03 |
| erle | gordon1 if i don't have a second system with a serial console i guess i can give up on figuring it out? | 22:04 |
| gordon1 | yeah, on the newer mb3.0 serial console is exposed on usb-c, but with older versions i think there is no easy way to access it without USB UART adapter | 22:04 |
| erle | gordon1 if you have the time, could you send me a screenshot of glxgears and glxgears with software rendering on your GPU when using wayland so i can see if it looks like my issues? | 22:05 |
| erle | wait, i can upload mine as well, one moment | 22:05 |
| gordon1 | erle: i mean, again, there is kernel crashlog feature that could store panic information across reboots, but i can't help you with how to enable it, never did it myself | 22:05 |
| gordon1 | i have rk3588 reform, sorry, it is probably different | 22:06 |
| gordon1 | glxgears on panfrost and on software rendering look identical | 22:07 |
| gordon1 | erle: that thing https://labcsmart.com/ramoops-keeping-linux-kernel-oops-trace-logs-persistent-between-reboots/ | 22:10 |
| gordon1 | PSTORE, that's how it is called | 22:10 |
| erle | https://mister-muffin.de/p/J6hf.png left is the wrong rendering, right is software rendering | 22:11 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~mjw@178.230.33.9) | 22:11 | |
| gordon1 | you also have to make sure you reboot the system not power off or you'll lose the crash data | 22:11 |
| + mjw (~mjw@178.230.33.9) | 22:11 | |
| erle | gordon1 sounds convoluted, but thanks for the hint | 22:12 |
| erle | anyone knows where appropriate to ask for the GPU issue of one gear missing a hole? | 22:12 |
| gordon1 | mesa bug tracker maybe? | 22:13 |
| erle | oh i thought maybe they had an irc channel so i could learn more about debugging it before doing that | 22:13 |
| erle | i mean the panfrost and lima and radeon etc. people have | 22:13 |
| erle | found it! #etnaviv on OFTC i think | 22:14 |
| gordon1 | that would work, also people on mesa bugtracker are quite helpful as well | 22:15 |
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| erle | gordon1 i got instant closure. from all responses to me asking for help, i would never have expected “I am aware of the problem and it's on my to-do list” as the first reply. | 22:17 |
| erle | amazing | 22:18 |
| josch | erle: austriancoder has been extremely helpful in the past as well | 22:18 |
| josch | (and is idling in this channel) | 22:18 |
| austriancoder | erle: hi :) | 22:19 |
| erle | hello | 22:20 |
| minute | erle: i've already reported this bug a longer time ago to austriancoder, not sure if there was a fix in the meantime that hasn't made it to debian yet | 22:22 |
| minute | ah sorry, should have read a few more log lines :D | 22:22 |
| erle | i find it interesting that i could only find two apps it affects | 22:23 |
| minute | glxgears and neverball, right? | 22:24 |
| erle | indeed. neverball has all textures black (and i think it did not do that in the past) regardless of which limits i set with MESA variables | 22:24 |
| erle | and in glxgears the green gear is missing a hole and the entire thing is a bit dimmer than it should be | 22:25 |
| austriancoder | erle: it's related do desktop gl and not gles | 22:25 |
| erle | i vaguely remember that jwz once ported xscreensaver to gles with a bunch of translation stuff that implemented desktop gl in terms of gles, does something like this exist for dynamic stuff? | 22:27 |
| erle | like, “not recompiling the entire app” | 22:27 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~mjw@178.230.33.9) | 22:31 | |
| minute | erle: there was a thing like that, in ancient times | 22:34 |
| minute | erle: https://github.com/ptitSeb/gl4es | 22:34 |
| minute | actually not that ancient | 22:35 |
| erle | thx | 22:39 |
| erle | looks really interesting | 22:41 |
| minute | erle: it's by the same person who started box86/box64 which are of course also very interesting. and another project in that vein which gets more funner https://github.com/AndreRH/hangover | 22:44 |
| minute | i can play the original deus ex (for windows) with hangover at really fast speed at high resolution and the revamped GL renderer for unreal tournament (same engine) also works | 22:45 |
| erle | every time during WHY2025 teardown when someone said “have fun” i replied “i had fun once and it was AWFUL” | 22:45 |
| erle | hehe | 22:45 |
| minute | https://www.cwdohnal.com/utglr/ | 22:45 |
| erle | this does seem like an awful amount of fun though | 22:46 |
| minute | yeah it did not disappoint | 22:46 |
| erle | i think the only non-free-software x32 game that has no free engine that i really like is earth 2150 though | 22:47 |
| erle | though i must admit i have played an awful lot of xpiratez using wine – it uses OpenXCom Extended (OXCE) but tbh just executing OpenXcom.exe or how it is called was easier than recompiling it often enough ;) | 22:48 |
| erle | minute wait is this for the original UT 1999? | 22:48 |
| erle | i might have the disc somewhere | 22:49 |
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