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| aphistic | hey! i've been playing around with my pocket reform (i.MX8MP) tonight to get it updated to the latest versions of things. i'm running into an issue when running `reform-check`, though, and it's saying i'm missing default kernel boot parameters similar to https://community.mnt.re/t/change-fontsize-when-booting-etc/2628/6 (the same params). it seems like this would be assigned by ${bootargs} in `/boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf` | 08:01 |
| aphistic | i found https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/blob/main/machines/MNT%20Pocket%20Reform%20with%20i.MX8MP%20Module.conf?ref_type=heads and confirmed i do have that version of the file in `/usr/share/reform-tools/machines` and i'm told i have the latest version of `reform-tools`. is there some command i should run (i did do `u-boot-update`) to get these params included? | 08:03 |
| aphistic | it's bed time here but i'll check back in the morning :D | 08:03 |
| aphistic | oh, i also have the latest versions of the system controller and keyboard/mouse firmware installed | 08:04 |
| josch | aphistic: hello! | 08:07 |
| josch | aphistic: i'm maintaining reform-tools and i do *not* have the imx8mp pocket reform so it is entirely possible that its output is wrong | 08:08 |
| josch | aphistic: is your output the same as in that community thread? | 08:08 |
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| + erle_on_ic (~erle_on_i@ip-185-104-138-140.ptr.icomera.net) | 14:28 | |
| erle_on_ic | hi | 14:28 |
| erle_on_ic | does anyone have a tutorial on how to install debian on reform2 nvme in an encrypted LVM? | 14:29 |
| erle_on_ic | minute i don't know if that has been reported yet and i am a bit late, but the installer should probably set keymap=y in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf before it updates the initramfs. otherwise, after selecting a keyboard layout you can easily end up with a greeter that does not use it. | 14:34 |
| erle_on_ic | (and yes, this happened to me) | 14:34 |
| erle_on_ic | josch, you use neo2 too, right? do you also change keymap=y in the initramfs on every debian machine? | 14:40 |
| erle_on_ic | or is there some different solution that i have not found? | 14:40 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 14:49 | |
| + AnimaInvicta (~AnimaInvi@88-120-179-216.subs.proxad.net) | 14:50 | |
| josch | erle_on_ic: the problem you see with the reform-setup-wizard not immediately applying the keymap you chose for the greeter is this one: https://source.mnt.re/reform/mnt-reform-setup-wizard/-/issues/16 | 15:03 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: though you must've used some of the older system images, right? Because tuigreet is no longer used in the current images (replaced by gdm). | 15:04 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: no, I have KEYMAP=n in my /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and am still able to use neo2 layout to enter my LUKS key | 15:05 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: tutorial for encrypted nvme should be reform-setup-encrypted-disk --help | 15:05 |
| josch | if you see information missing from the --help output, lets add it | 15:05 |
| erle_on_ic | josch thank you very much. i must have an older one then, yes. | 15:06 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: where did you download it from? | 15:07 |
| - wielaard (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:07 | |
| erle_on_ic | josch my reform had a malfunction some time ago and i got it back some other time ago and then procrastinated setting it up due to horrible depression | 15:08 |
| josch | ah okay, sorry to hear | 15:08 |
| erle_on_ic | so i didn't download it, i got it directly from the source (after it was repaired, it booted into the shiny new installer) | 15:08 |
| josch | ooooh okay | 15:08 |
| erle_on_ic | just to be clear: my existing data was safe and nothing was overwritten | 15:09 |
| josch | okay, nice :) | 15:09 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: then what is left? What do you need help with? | 15:10 |
| erle_on_ic | btw, if you play minetest/luanti, the performance goes up a lot when you a) force shaderless renderer (they removed that in 5.11 though due to the devs absolutely not caring about old/weak hardware, they all have gamer GPUs) b) activate mipmaps | 15:10 |
| - lanodan (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~lanodan@2a01:e0a:d6:9930::35) | 15:10 | |
| josch | erle_on_ic: what platform are you on? | 15:11 |
| erle_on_ic | aarch64 | 15:11 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: no i mean which reform SoM | 15:12 |
| josch | they all are arm64 :) | 15:12 |
| erle_on_ic | how do i know that? lshw? | 15:12 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: cat /proc/device-tree/model | 15:12 |
| josch | or run "sudo reform-check" | 15:12 |
| erle_on_ic | hold on i want to read what this does | 15:14 |
| + lanodan (~lanodan@2a01:e0a:d6:9930::35) | 15:14 | |
| josch | erle_on_ic: tell me if the --help output or the man page are not sufficient | 15:14 |
| erle_on_ic | i am reading the code actually ^_^ | 15:14 |
| josch | or that :) | 15:14 |
| erle_on_ic | this script is longer than my djb redo implementation, i give up. i'll run it! | 15:17 |
| erle_on_ic | I: Contents of /proc/device-tree/model: MNT Reform 2 | 15:18 |
| josch | okay, now i know that "erle_on_ic" is indeed the person i was connecting this account name to in my head ;) | 15:18 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: then your platform is i.MX8MQ | 15:18 |
| josch | and yeah, minetest on that platform is okay with some quirks :) | 15:18 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: let me know if you have any other issues | 15:18 |
| erle_on_ic | uh, minetest is never “okay”, rendering wise. you can fire up apitrace and see that it is *very* wasteful. or just have a lot of nodeboxes in your inventory and then open the inventory dialog and see how the fps drops. | 15:19 |
| erle_on_ic | (because every item is re-rendered in every frame, just on the off-chance that maybe it's an animated one) | 15:20 |
| josch | didn't they rename minetest recently? | 15:20 |
| erle_on_ic | yes, luanti | 15:20 |
| josch | ah okay | 15:20 |
| andreas-e | josch: Sorry, I also followed your advice and ran the script, and it complains about lots of things! | 15:20 |
| andreas-e | However, I do not think I have done anything but "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or similar. | 15:20 |
| erle_on_ic | don't upgrade to luanti 5.13 though, it breaks scroll containers somehow. like, mineclonia creative inv is unusable with that. | 15:20 |
| erle_on_ic | anyway | 15:21 |
| andreas-e | For instance, the kernel: | 15:21 |
| andreas-e | E: the reform.debian.net repository is not known to apt | 15:21 |
| andreas-e | E: the linux-image-arm64 package cannot come from the reform.debian.net repos | 15:21 |
| andreas-e | W: The deprecated meta-package linux-image-arm64 is installed. | 15:21 |
| andreas-e | W: Please install the new meta-package linux-image-mnt-reform-arm64 | 15:21 |
| andreas-e | W: and remove the old meta-package linux-image-arm64. | 15:21 |
| andreas-e | Is that sound advice? | 15:21 |
| erle_on_ic | josch, do you know why firefox is so slow with some rendering? like, *most* stuff works fine, scrolling is smooth, but e.g. noscript dialogs take forever to paint | 15:21 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: sorry, i am not very knowledgable about these rendering issues -- but i can confirm they exist | 15:22 |
| erle_on_ic | and in general, *every* menu has a bit of lag before it shows up | 15:22 |
| erle_on_ic | (in firefox) | 15:23 |
| josch | andreas-e: first you should take care of the E: (error) entries | 15:23 |
| josch | andreas-e: are you using the MNT Debian repos or the reform.d.n repos? | 15:23 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:23 | |
| andreas-e | In /etc/apt/sources.list, there are just the vanilla debian bookworm entries. In /etc/apt/sources.list.d, there is a file reform_bookworm.sources with entry "reform_bookworm.sources". | 15:26 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: this community forum post has more things in it than i'd be able to tell you out-of-the-top-of-my-head: https://community.mnt.re/t/poor-browser-performance/2042 | 15:26 |
| andreas-e | Should I change this? It is clearly nothing I have added by hand. | 15:26 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: essentially, there are bugs and they are getting fixed, albeit slowly :) | 15:26 |
| andreas-e | Entry: URIs: https://reform.debian.net/debian | 15:26 |
| erle_on_ic | thank you josch | 15:26 |
| andreas-e | Copy-paste problems. | 15:26 |
| f_ | oh hey look | 15:26 |
| josch | andreas-e: if you have not added this by hand, then it means that you downloaded the image you installed this from from reform.debian.net | 15:26 |
| f_ | https://gitlab.postmarketos.org/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/6820 | 15:27 |
| f_ | someone ported pmOS to a311d reform | 15:27 |
| f_ | :> | 15:27 |
| andreas-e | josch: Maybe. Is this good or bad? :-) Should I change anything? | 15:27 |
| josch | andreas-e: it depends on what you want :D | 15:27 |
| josch | andreas-e: if you want to use Debian stable instead of unstable and *if* you are okay with relying on me as the single point of failure then i guess you can use reform.debian.net :) | 15:28 |
| andreas-e | Stable sounds better. Anyway, we have one more day, right? | 15:28 |
| josch | andreas-e: one more day? | 15:28 |
| erle_on_ic | debian stable sounds a bit better than debian unstable to me | 15:28 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: it is only as stable as its maintainers. As I said, i'm currently the only one maintaining it and that might make it more unstable than unstable :) | 15:29 |
| josch | for example right now, updates are blocked because of linux 6.16 in experimental | 15:30 |
| erle_on_ic | so? | 15:30 |
| - wielaard (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:30 | |
| josch | and i have to still manage to allocate time to test this and then roll it out | 15:30 |
| andreas-e | Will there not be a the trixie release tomorrow? Or in a few days at least? | 15:30 |
| erle_on_ic | like, i *usually* don't run experimental kernels | 15:30 |
| josch | you do not | 15:30 |
| josch | but they get shipped | 15:30 |
| erle_on_ic | or unstable, for that matter | 15:30 |
| josch | and if it doesn't work then stable doesn't work | 15:30 |
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| erle_on_ic | oh well | 15:30 |
| josch | and sure, if i find the time, then soon there will be trixie on reform.debian.net | 15:31 |
| + ericsfra` (~user@2a00:23cc:b464:9901::99e) | 15:31 | |
| josch | but what is soon? it is whenever i find the time | 15:31 |
| andreas-e | I am happy if things do not break... Should I nevertheless blindly follow the reform-check "E" suggestions, or do nothing? After all, the machine is running now! | 15:32 |
| erle_on_ic | once the partner of the person who wrote inform7 told me that it is definitely going to be released as free software, when the author has the time to do that well. | 15:32 |
| josch | andreas-e: keeping the linux-image-arm64 meta-meta-package is not breaking anything | 15:32 |
| erle_on_ic | several years later (IIRC) i saw the release. she did not lie! | 15:33 |
| josch | andreas-e: the error is there because in May 2024 the name changed from linux-image-arm64 to linux-image-mnt-reform-arm64 | 15:33 |
| josch | erle_on_ic: yes, i also like stable and i'd like to do this work but it only gets done in my free-time on a best-effort basis | 15:33 |
| erle_on_ic | as a lot of things are | 15:34 |
| josch | andreas-e: i think the messages are most useful for situations when something *does* break and you want to find out why | 15:34 |
| erle_on_ic | once someone told me my build system works badly if used with a) windows b) NFS c) deeply nested directories | 15:34 |
| andreas-e | E: the reform.debian.net repository is not known to apt | 15:34 |
| andreas-e | E: the linux-image-arm64 package cannot come from the reform.debian.net repos | 15:34 |
| andreas-e | E: the currently running kernel is not the one provided by linux-image-mnt-reform-arm64 | 15:34 |
| andreas-e | E: reform2_lpc is not loaded | 15:34 |
| andreas-e | E: /usr/lib/modules/6.4.0-1-reform2-arm64/updates/dkms/reform2_lpc.ko{.xz} does not exist | 15:34 |
| josch | andreas-e: if you paste the whole output into a pastebin and send me a link then i can tell you if there is anything in it that you should definitely touch soon | 15:34 |
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| erle_on_ic | many years later i have yet to debug that combination (yes, all of them together make it weird, not only one of them) | 15:34 |
| andreas-e | It is all very mysterious, since I have not done anything "by hand" as far as I can tell. | 15:35 |
| erle_on_ic | andreas-e so how new is the image then? | 15:35 |
| erle_on_ic | or rather, when did you get it? | 15:35 |
| josch | andreas-e: since the trixie release is imminent, maybe ping me in a week or so and then i can help you upgrade from bookworm to trixie using reform.debian.net repos | 15:35 |
| andreas-e | The initrd.image is from July 2023. | 15:35 |
| andreas-e | Okay. I just try to get over my confusion; as said, I have no complaint right now, everything is working as expected. | 15:36 |
| josch | andreas-e: could you show me your contents of /etc/motd | 15:36 |
| andreas-e | I think I pinged you two years ago and got help to move to bookworm :) | 15:36 |
| josch | haha okay :) | 15:36 |
| andreas-e | System Image v4: 2024-06-28 | 15:37 |
| josch | great, thank you! | 15:37 |
| andreas-e | Interesting! Younger than the initrd? | 15:37 |
| josch | andreas-e: this is probably not the initrd you use to boot | 15:38 |
| josch | andreas-e: you might have this on a /boot partition from before you moved your system to System Image v4 from 2024-06-28 | 15:38 |
| josch | andreas-e: you can figure out the initrd you used to boot your current kernel by doing: | 15:38 |
| andreas-e | Ah, quite possibly so. I boot from the SD card, and / is from the SSD. | 15:38 |
| josch | ls -l "/boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r)" | 15:39 |
| andreas-e | And I realise that /initrd.img is a symlink from 2023, the actual file is from June. | 15:40 |
| josch | oh you were talking about the literal initrd.img in / | 15:40 |
| josch | that symlink is not used by u-boot at all | 15:41 |
| josch | it's still there mostly because of historical reason | 15:41 |
| josch | there was a recent discussion about removing these symlinks | 15:41 |
| josch | but they'll probably stay because they don't hurt anymody | 15:41 |
| andreas-e | Well, I can wait for problems and ignore reform-check anyway :) | 15:43 |
| josch | yes | 15:44 |
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| vagrantc | huh. when running off of battery, my mnt/reform spews a variable amount of noise to the serial console ... when plugged into power, works 99.9% without noise ... | 19:34 |
| bremner | I vaguely remember that the charger is chatty, but on a different fake serial device | 19:36 |
| bremner | (on the pocket, anyway) | 19:36 |
| vagrantc | heh | 19:38 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:53 | |
| ch | yeah on pocket the firmware is chatty | 19:57 |
| ch | no idea about the big box | 19:57 |
| josch | vagrantc: i can generate random chatter on serial by touching a cable which is connected to the serial port of the reform but not otherwise connected | 20:18 |
| josch | vagrantc: this has caused me many hours of headache because i was unable to reliably reproduce a problem of i.MX 8MQ suspend | 20:18 |
| josch | it turns out the problem only showed when i happened to be in physical contact with the serial cable | 20:18 |
| josch | vagrantc: https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2025-03-21.log.html#t13:11:16 | 20:18 |
| vagrantc | yeah, electromagnetic ... can do all sorts of fun | 20:24 |
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| Zaba | might be a good idea to have like 1MOhm pullups on the serial lines for when all drivers are off | 20:26 |
| vagrantc | i didn't have this problem with the a sparkfun board https://www.sparkfun.com/sparkfun-serial-basic-breakout-ch340c-and-usb-c.html | 20:26 |
| vagrantc | but i think i fried that | 20:26 |
| vagrantc | this one spits out noise https://www.sparkfun.com/usb-to-ttl-serial-cable.html | 20:28 |
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| Zaba | I think the activity LEDs of the first adapter *might* somewhat stabilize the voltage on the uart lines when it’s left otherwise undriven | 22:47 |
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| + avsej (~avsej@user/avsej) | 23:26 | |
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