2025-06-23.log

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joschbkeys: you might be interested in me just having added the export of the Debian source package to the MNT repository00:32
joschbkeys: since earlier you were asking for the source i'm building from00:33
joschand indeed it's true that our "source" is the Debian package which we then patch00:33
joschbut the result does not get stored anywhere00:33
joschnow it does00:33
bkeysAlright, I just got back to my keyboard00:33
joschif you want to see how it looks like, add this to your sources.list:00:34
joschdeb-src [trusted=yes] https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/11395/artifacts/raw/repo reform main00:34
joschand then you can do:00:34
joschapt-get source linux=6.15.3-1~exp1+reform20250622T21102100:35
bkeysThe Fedora ARM maintainer seems to think edk2 is somehow the issue with getting Fedora to boot; so I'm seeing if u-boot on an SD card is at all capable of booting it00:36
bkeysjosch: I'll try that out when I get a system image up00:49
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bkeysI'm coming to the conclusion that edk2 isn't the problem at all, but the kernel is unlikely the problem either.02:21
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gsorai don't recall who wrote that macbook chargers don't work well with reform, but i can attest it's been charging mine just fine for over a week09:54
gsorait's a 65w one09:54
joschgsora: rk3588 classic reform charges differently compared to the pocket reform -- but even in the latter case a lot of improvements have happened, so i would not be surprised if these days mac ac adapters are no problem either10:02
joschgsora: remember that you are currently among the first field tester of motherboard 3.0 and its usb-c charging :)10:03
gsoraoh right, because it's a port over from next10:05
gsora #blessed10:05
joschbkeys: the MNT repository now carries the Debian linux source package from which the corresponding binaries were built. If you don't care about GPG verification, then you can just grab it via dget:10:09
joschdget https://mntre.com/reform-debian-repo/pool/main/l/linux/linux_6.15.3-1~exp1%2Breform20250622T211021Z.dsc10:09
joschif you don't have dget, you can wget/wcurl the dsc and the files it references manually10:09
joschunpack with dpkg-source -x10:09
joschand that will then give you something which contains everything to build the Debian kernel including all patches, all device trees and the kernel config10:10
chgsora: are you on a reform ('classic') or on a pocket?10:34
chclassic has the charging logic in a TI chip, pocket in firmware10:34
gsorai'm on a v3.0 classic10:34
chk. i think there TI just did it right in the chip :)10:35
chbut also on pockets it should work with semi-current firmware. its what i use often enough10:35
minutejosch: very cool & useful @ source package btw10:56
grimmwarehey team - when I installed my new backplate I didn't install the new molex. Should I remove both of the other antennas from my asiarf?11:24
grimmwarealso does it matter which socket on the asiarf that it goes into?11:24
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bkeysjosch: Thanks, I'll see about getting it built today at the shop14:48
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bkeysjosch: dpkg-source: error: cannot fstat file ./linux_6.15.3.orig.tar.xz: No such file or directory16:30
bkeysIs what I get when I try to unpack it16:30
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joschbkeys1: then you did not use dget to download it16:55
joschbkeys1: and i said that if you don't use dget, then you need to wget/wcurl the other files manually16:55
bkeys1I did though?16:55
joschthen, do you have a ./linux_6.15.3.orig.tar.xz in your current directory?16:56
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bkeysOh wait, I moved it to a new directory and I forgot the orig file16:56
bkeysTo move the orig file to the new dir16:56
joschto move all files together you can use dcmd from the devscripts package16:56
joschdcmd foo.dsc ./new/location16:56
joschthat moves foo.dsc and everything it references to ./new/location16:56
joschthat way, you cannot forget to move something16:57
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minutehmmmmm https://github.com/raspberrypi/pico-sdk/blob/master/src/rp2_common/pico_fix/rp2040_usb_device_enumeration/rp2040_usb_device_enumeration.c#L2517:03
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minutech: btw debian picotool says > ERROR: unexpected option: --ser 17:08
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chduh17:21
ch        --ser <ser>17:23
ch            Filter by serial   asdf17:23
chthat should work, no?17:23
chdifferent picotool version?17:23
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minutech: sorry, possible that apt cache was outdated17:34
minutejosch: i think something with the linux-image 6.15.3 is borked17:34
minutejosch: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-mnt-reform-arm64:17:34
minute linux-image-mnt-reform-arm64 depends on linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64 (= 6.15.3-1~exp1+reform20250622T211021Z); however:17:34
minute  Package linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64 is not configured yet.17:34
minute linux-headers-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64 depends on linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64 (= 6.15.3-1~exp1+reform20250622T211021Z) | linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64-unsigned (= 6.15.3-1~exp1+reform20250622T211021Z); however:17:34
minute  Package linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64 is not configured yet.17:34
minute  Package linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64-unsigned is not installed.17:34
minutethe ...-unsigned thing is totally new for me and also it doesn't exist17:35
minutei just experimentally put the display of the chip version in the system status display here17:37
minute(rp2040 chip version)17:37
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chnp, was just worried17:52
grimmwareminute: hey could I pester you to comment on my message from this morning?18:03
minutegrimmware: i'm not sure if i 100% understand the situation18:04
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chorcHey everyone. Does anyone have an occasional random powercycle on Pocket? I just had a third one within couple of days, I'm wondering if it's a known issue, otherwise I'll start looking into which component might've caused it.19:00
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joschchorc: yes, i do19:01
joschchorc: i worked around it by downgrading the sysctl firmware (until it's fixed)19:01
chorcAll three occured for me while the Pocket was connected to PSU, external display and Ethernet. I left the machine overnight, but it didn't happen while I was away.19:02
joschsame here19:02
chorc@josch ah, good to know, I'll just exercise my patience then :-)19:02
joschit only happened while using it, not so much while idle19:02
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joschminute: i tested installing linux 6.15 in a fresh system image and i upgraded a system image with linux 6.14 to 6.15 without issues. I just tested both scenarios again successfully (see this reform-system-image job for example https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/11421)19:05
joschminute: so we have to find out how your system status differs from a vanilla system image. I think the next step would be for you to run the upgrade with these extra options and pastebin me the output: -oDebug::pkgProblemResolver=true -oDebug::pkgDepCache::Marker=1 -oDebug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=119:05
josch(answer might take a while because of dinner)19:05
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minutejosch: ok, i don't have sudo access to that machine anymore, but can you tell me what the -unsigned package is?19:14
minutejosch: linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64-unsigned19:15
minutehm > Notice: Can't select versions from package 'linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64-unsigned' as it is purely virtual19:16
minuteif i do apt show19:16
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grimmwareminute: I have the asiarf card with the two laird antennas and I have the replacement molex that comes with the replacement backplate - do I just use the molex by itself and if so, does it matter which socket I insert it into on the asiarf?19:21
minutegrimmware: yeah i'd say use it by itself, i'm not sure if the socket matters19:22
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joschminute: the *-unsigned package is the package containing the linux image and modules which will be used as input for the signing machinery where the microsoft keys get used to create the *-signed package such that secure boot works. In your case, the linux-image-*-unsigned package is in an "or" relationship with linux-image-6.15.3-mnt-reform-arm64 so you only need the latter and the *-signed package 19:26
joschshould be irrelevant.19:26
minutejosch: ahh ok, thanks for the explainer19:26
minutechorc: which sysctl firmware version?19:27
chorc@minute I've just upgraded to the latest using fwupdtool, it shows 'Pocket Reform System Controller 1.019:36
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chorcI mean I updated some time ago, these powercycles happened after that update19:37
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joschchorc: this will show you the current sysctl firmware version as well: cat /sys/devices/platform/feb10000.spi/spi_master/spi1/spi1.0/firmware19:39
joschor you look it up on the oled screen19:39
joschminute seems to have released 20250623 today -- i'll upgrade to that now too :)19:40
chorcjosch: PREF1SYS R1 2025060919:40
joschchorc: that's the one with which i experienced reboot problems as well. minute theorized that it was due to the watchdog performing the reset and that should be solved with 20250623 -- does that upgrade show up in gnome-firmware?19:41
chorcah, that would be nice19:42
chorcdoesn't show in fwupdtool get-updates yet19:43
minutejosch: i haven't released it to lvfs yet 19:53
minutebut i hope this will address the issue19:53
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chorcouch, just got that powercycle again :-( couldn't be worse, let me be an early tester as well19:55
chorcminute: do I need to update only sysctl-fw, or the keyboard as well?19:56
minutechorc: only sysctl20:02
minutei can do the lvfs update only tomorrow though, gotta run. you can use the "convenience oneliner" though20:03
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chorcthank you! I'll do curl to bash, yep20:07
bremnerwell, that was painless: plugged a passive micro-HDMI to hdmi adapter into a pocket-reform and up popped a second desktop.20:07
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BoostisBetterminute: thank you for the new keyboard. I just got it. So far things are looking good!20:14
minuteBoostisBetter: awesome!20:14
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bremnerand my new ix industrial ethernet cable was plug and play too, now I just need a routing that doesn't go through everything.20:18
josch\o/20:18
joschmy micro hdmi adapter also works flawlessly20:20
joschreminds me to make a "this is how i present my lectures with my pocket reform" fedi post for the clicks ;)20:21
chorcI've got unlucky and my Rockhip module was defective, didn't work with external display at all, I've amassed a sizable collection of those microHDMI adapters and cables trying to troubleshoot ;)20:26
BoostisBetterjosch: you are using your pocket in full Classic Reform manners? Very cool! The Pocket is a little warrior of a machine20:26
joschBoostisBetter: what is the full classic reform manner?20:27
BoostisBetterjosch: I am also super keen on trying out the same batteries as you to get that awesome 10 hours of battery life. 20:28
BoostisBetterjosch: I mean that you are using your pocket in the same way you were using your Classic. I always thought you were kind of inspirational with how you were making the Reform your only computer. 20:28
BoostisBetterjosch: just cool to see that kind of thing carrying on with the Pocket. 20:29
joschoh i think the pocket is waaaaay too powerful for its size -- of course i'm doing the things i was doing on the classic and more (see factorio)20:29
chorcminute: oneliner is broken, points to an old build job: curl -sfL mnt.re/update-pocket-sysctl | grep BUILD_JOB=20:31
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chorcEdited that script, now the Pocket runs PREF1SYS R1 20250623, I'll report back in case of resets20:36
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