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| BoostisBetter | minute: do you have the old wayfire configuration file that shipped with the MNT default image? | 08:47 |
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| josch | BoostisBetter: I have a bunch of them -- which one do you need? | 08:51 |
| josch | BoostisBetter: here is the initial version: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/blob/9a2e523f67fa3ec6482ca90723398f434a7cfd44/etc/skel/.config/wayfire.ini | 08:59 |
| BoostisBetter | josch: thanks that is a good start. I can just build from there using my sway config | 08:59 |
| josch | BoostisBetter: if you tell me the date in your /etc/motd then I can give you the wayfire.ini which probably shipped with your unit | 09:00 |
| BoostisBetter | josch: it says 2025-01-27 | 09:02 |
| josch | BoostisBetter: in that case, this was probably the one that came with your device: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/blob/016043e39f70b4e95e4acb77734c3edeb4b57312/etc/skel/.config/wayfire.ini | 09:05 |
| josch | BoostisBetter: but why do you need to do git archeology instead of just looking it up in /etc/skel/.config/wayfire.ini? Did you delete or change that one? | 09:06 |
| BoostisBetter | josch: when I removed wayfire I did a purge | 09:07 |
| BoostisBetter | josch: but I also just don't know all that stuff. Or I forgot. | 09:08 |
| josch | BoostisBetter: a purge of any package (except bash, which is essential so you will never purge it) will not touch anything you have in /etc/skel | 09:09 |
| josch | if you still have it there then you could start from that version | 09:10 |
| BoostisBetter | josch: hmm, then maybe it is because on the stable branch I am using from you, did not have wayfire at all included. So when I installed it now, I installed it from scratch. It is weird, because even though the super key is defined it doesn't work for changing workspaces. | 09:10 |
| BoostisBetter | josch: all kinds of things are wonky under wayfire. The application finder (super + d) doesn't seem to access to ALL applications, and I can't move betweeen workspaces, or move things to different workspaces. | 09:13 |
| josch | the images on reform.d.n are built using the same git repo as the images served by MNT. Only very few selected changes are done. I did not change anythin regarding the wayfire config. | 09:13 |
| BoostisBetter | then I might have grabbed it AFTER MNT decided to drop Wayfire. | 09:14 |
| BoostisBetter | There was a reason I stopped using wayfire. | 09:14 |
| BoostisBetter | I think it was because I attributed issues with using psuspend with it. Sway was more uniform in that regard. But I can't really remember. | 09:14 |
| BoostisBetter | I will be getting the new keyboard here soon for the Pocket and I am looking forward to using it much more again. | 09:15 |
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| kfx | got a working alpine linux build on an sd card, but when I boot from nvme I don't get any video | 09:59 |
| kfx | still: progress | 09:59 |
| abortretryfail | nice | 10:04 |
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| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 15:36 | |
| bremner | huh, sounds like a lot of heat, basically a pocket-pocket-reform: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/liberux-nexx--3/#/ | 15:44 |
| bremner | not sure how much that is just vapourware. | 15:44 |
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| vagrantc | hot pockets may produce steam | 15:55 |
| minute | yeah this is gonna be hot | 15:56 |
| vagrantc | the rk3588s vs. rk3588 might make some difference ... though how much? | 15:59 |
| josch | vagrantc: it might interest you that i rebased the patch stack onto 6.12.32 | 16:03 |
| bremner | so I'm a bit lazy. Is it worth persuing thermal tape for wifi problems on my rk3588 if I can duplicate the issue below 50C? I sent like 2000 pings last as a test, only 0.2% lost packets, but some very long times, up to 9s. This is with very strong signal (5 bars). | 16:07 |
| bremner | (rk3588 pocket reform) | 16:07 |
| bremner | I guess I should try with a different access point before I go much further. | 16:07 |
| vagrantc | josch: you are correct! :) | 16:09 |
| Zaba | isn’t the rk3588s literally the same chip but in a smaller package with correspondingly fewer signals brought out to pins? | 16:09 |
| josch | bremner: i really wish for them to succeed. I began my journey into open hardware with openmoko 17 years ago and neither it nor the projects after it was ever more than a device to tinker with. I really would like an open hardware phono to exist and I wish them all the luck. It's just very, very, very hard. It's crazy how many things can go wrong... | 16:14 |
| vagrantc | josch: they also appear to apply fine on v6.12.33 | 16:17 |
| josch | sweet! | 16:17 |
| vagrantc | now for the hard part ... does it build and boot? :) | 16:18 |
| vagrantc | hrm. the most recent tag on reform-debian-packages is 2023-07-10 ... any chance we could get a fresher tag at some point? :) | 16:30 |
| minute | josch: when will you be around at gpn? :3 | 17:15 |
| minute | bremner: the real solution will be to upgrade to the r2 version of rcore and use the new m.2 slot with intel card we'll launch soon :3 | 17:16 |
| bremner | oof | 17:16 |
| bremner | I prefer to use things a little first... | 17:17 |
| bremner | Greta thunberg tells me I cannot thrown away a 2 week old SOC ... | 17:21 |
| minute | bremner: nono | 17:31 |
| minute | bremner: no the soc. it's only the adapter | 17:31 |
| bremner | oh! | 17:31 |
| minute | bremner: the rcore is made of two parts. the adapter (called rcore) for the firefly icore 3588q and the actual icore | 17:31 |
| minute | bremner: one can unplug the firefly module from it | 17:32 |
| bremner | will it still support a WWAN card? | 17:32 |
| bremner | (in addition) | 17:32 |
| minute | bremner: yes. | 17:32 |
| bremner | nifty. | 17:32 |
| minute | bremner: you can use 3 m.2 cards then. nvme, wwan and wifi/bt | 17:33 |
| minute | this is the config i'm typing from atm :3 | 17:33 |
| minute | i'm finally online here on the grass @ gpn with cell 4g connection in the pocket reform | 17:33 |
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| josch | minute: we're arriving to karlsruhe tomorrow evening and will try snatching a day ticket on saturday early in the morning :) | 18:32 |
| kfx | ok: fully* functional alpine linux achieved | 19:30 |
| kfx | * termas and conditions apply | 19:30 |
| kfx | for some reason the ethernet connection resets every few seconds, but otherwise it looks good | 19:31 |
| sigrid | would love to get my hands on this | 19:32 |
| sigrid | is there a git repo you could put it on, perhaps? | 19:32 |
| kfx | I will write up what I have so far | 19:33 |
| sigrid | thanks | 19:33 |
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| josch | vagrantc: it builds just fine. The hard part is a different one: craft a patch such that the same dtb boots with both 6.12 *and* 6.15.... | 19:35 |
| josch | kfx: about ethernet, you might need "manual ethernet phy reset" from reform-hw-setup | 19:35 |
| josch | zeha: do you rememeber what you pasted me here? https://mntre.com/reform-irc-logs/2025-05-17.log.html#t09:08:35 Maybe you already committed that one? | 19:41 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp178059008065.access.hol.gr) | 19:52 | |
| vagrantc | josch: yeah, building 6.12.33 against reform-debian-packages 27af49ccdb972b755d786e9970500276a14af633 linux/patches6.12: rebase on 6.12.32 ... still no boot. | 20:00 |
| vagrantc | ugh. and it also does not respond to the circle key anymore | 20:01 |
| vagrantc | so it's just hung | 20:01 |
| vagrantc | guess it is time for the reset button... | 20:01 |
| vagrantc | which worked. | 20:07 |
| vagrantc | curious that the kernel would crash the lpc or whatever | 20:07 |
| kfx | josch: thanks. does this need to happen every boot? | 20:10 |
| vagrantc | josch: guess i should try the old .dtb with the new patchset? or are there definitely incompatibilities? | 20:12 |
| josch | kfx: i'm afraid i don't know the details | 20:13 |
| josch | vagrantc: i cannot say either. You are trying to boot 6.12.33 on rk3588? | 20:14 |
| vagrantc | yes | 20:14 |
| josch | vagrantc: and that is *not* the dsi variant, right? | 20:14 |
| vagrantc | right | 20:14 |
| josch | good | 20:14 |
| josch | (that one is only supported for 6.14 and later) | 20:14 |
| josch | vagrantc: with 6.12.32 i'll try to make it work with the latest dtb | 20:15 |
| vagrantc | seems worth a shot ... worst case (i hope) is i have to hit unscrew the bottom and hit the reset button again | 20:15 |
| josch | just today i had to unplug the batteries to get the oled of imx8mq classic reform to turn on again at all :( | 20:16 |
| vagrantc | my first build attempt with the latest patches failed to build ... because i left my custom patch reverting an upstream commit. :/ :) | 20:17 |
| vagrantc | i guess rather than unplug the batteries, one could maybe wedge a firm hard plastic in between one of the contacts, breaking the circuit | 20:17 |
| vagrantc | actually pulling those batteries out is pretty nervewracking, even though i've done it a handful of times now | 20:18 |
| vagrantc | those clips are really quite strong | 20:18 |
| kfx | josch: I see it ships a systemd unit that runs reform-hw-setup every boot as a oneshot. I'll figure out how to cram this into openrc. thanks! | 20:18 |
| josch | kfx: i can confirm that yes, reform-hw-setup is run at every boot but i cannot tell you anything about why this particular hack is needed -- does it fix your issue? | 20:20 |
| kfx | josch: seems to so far! | 20:24 |
| josch | phew nice :) | 20:27 |
| kfx | I wonder if I can hack the kernel to do this reset | 20:28 |
| kfx | just another to-do list entry for now | 20:28 |
| sigrid | I think that specific part could be done via /etc/modprobe.d | 20:31 |
| vagrantc | fwiw, diffoscope output on the working vs. non-working .dtb: https://paste.debian.net/1381164 ... quite a bit of probably inconsequestial address differences, but also a handful of significant ones (hdmiX_phy_pll vs. pll_hdmiphy) | 20:31 |
| kfx | josch: speaking of to-do lists, I seem to recall there was a tweak to get the lpc to actually cut power on systemctl poweroff. does this ring a bell? looking for more | 20:32 |
| sigrid | ah wait no, I was looking at the wrong function | 20:32 |
| vagrantc | there are also a handful of minor configuration differences added with the old vs. new patches | 20:32 |
| josch | kfx: yes, this used to work, alas it does not work for me right now -- i'm not sure about the current state of things though as minute was the last one touching the relevant code in the recent rework | 20:33 |
| kfx | copy that, thanks | 20:34 |
| vagrantc | CONFIG_DRM_CDNS_* ... and CONFIG_PHY_ROCKCHIP_SAMSUNG_DCPHY=m vs. y | 20:34 |
| josch | vagrantc: i have been touching names like hdmiX_phy_pll as they also changed in the collabora stack over time | 20:35 |
| josch | vagrantc: is CONFIG_DRM_CDNS_* not the cadence mhdp8501 from imx8mq? | 20:36 |
| kfx | sigrid: no, I think you're right, something like 'install dwmac_rk gpioset <etc>; modprobe dwmac_rk $CMDLINE_OPTS' should do it | 20:36 |
| vagrantc | josch: i can neither confirm nor deny why CONFIG_DRM_CDNS_* were added, but what you say suggests they are not relevent for me anymore :) | 20:39 |
| vagrantc | josch: well, booted the new kernel with the old .dtb, and it appears to work! | 20:46 |
| josch | \o/ | 20:47 |
| vagrantc | i mean, i haven't tested HDMI or anything, but it boots and doesn't crash the LPC :) | 20:47 |
| vagrantc | although... the keyboard appears to have stopped working | 20:48 |
| + murphnj (~murph@user/murphnj) | 20:48 | |
| vagrantc | keyboard worked well enough to log in and type a few commands. .. | 20:53 |
| vagrantc | worked on a second try... | 20:54 |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 21:05 | |
| + Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 21:05 | |
| grimmware | Phew, just finished changing out the keyswitches on my pocket reform for kailh sunsets | 21:49 |
| grimmware | It is quite significantly quieter now - not quite as quiet as gl0b's twighlights (his pocket is the quietest laptop I've ever completely failed to hear) | 21:49 |
| grimmware | *twilights | 21:49 |
| grimmware | even | 21:49 |
| josch | grimmware: what did you have in before? | 21:52 |
| grimmware | whites | 21:53 |
| sigrid | kfx: perhaps it could even be done through device tree | 21:54 |
| grimmware | I found that I wasn't using the pocket as much as I'd like on public transport because I wasn't sure whether it was making people want to stab me or not | 21:55 |
| kfx | sigrid: I'll die before I learn to write device trees, but I'll use a blob someone else makes | 22:07 |
| sigrid | I can look into it as long as I don't have to figure out the whole alpine-for-reform from scratch :) | 22:11 |
| josch | grimmware: nice work! jacqueline also switched hers for sunset orange: https://chaos.social/@jacqueline/114590822902464890 | 22:23 |
| grimmware | yeah I saw! I was considering them already and then I saw she'd done it and figured it was probably time to actually try some out | 22:24 |
| grimmware | really lucky that gl0b had both the keyswitches that I wanted to try out | 22:24 |
| josch | sweet! | 22:25 |
| josch | zeha: i got GRML with fluxbox running on the Reform: https://mister-muffin.de/p/VQdK.jpg | 22:26 |
| grimmware | josch: oh man I've just seen your battery mod! That's really cool! | 22:27 |
| josch | zeha: it reminds me of this mouse trail thing from windows 95 :D https://mister-muffin.de/p/H3Pg.jpg | 22:27 |
| grimmware | I'd better add that to the list :) | 22:27 |
| josch | grimmware: okay! i'll let you know in case these blow up XD | 22:28 |
| grimmware | josch: oh you should try the silicon nitride trackball again btw given that the ones for the pocket are *much* cheaper | 22:28 |
| josch | hahaha true! | 22:28 |
| josch | grimmware: do you happen to have the aliexpress seller handy where you got yours from? | 22:29 |
| grimmware | ah I got mine from ebay, lemme see if I can find the link | 22:33 |
| grimmware | https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/176539527132?var=476151451713 | 22:34 |
| grimmware | it's the 15mm one | 22:34 |
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| + Gooberpatrol_66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 22:38 | |
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| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@ppp178059008065.access.hol.gr) | 22:52 | |
| gl0b | grimmware: how are you finding the new switches? i really like them on my TOTEM but was going for silence on the pocket | 23:01 |
| gl0b | the pocket chassis does seem quite resonant too, but i’m not certain there’s much l | 23:03 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@72.10.128.164) | 23:07 | |
| grimmware | gl0b: I really like that you've gone stealth with your pocket :) | 23:08 |
| grimmware | gl0b: you know I miss the clickies a little bit but that's mostly out of familiarity. If I think about it objectively I think I like everything about these switches more. | 23:09 |
| grimmware | It feels more like a tiny GRiD Compass | 23:09 |
| josch | grimmware: thank you, ordered! | 23:24 |
| grimmware | josch: np :) | 23:41 |
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