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| josch | minute: I tested the same setup again. I get 1:36 hours of runtime. | 00:07 |
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| josch | both cells report 3.4 V | 00:11 |
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| josch | oh no... did it just switch off because the sysctl reports 0% battery so gnome or upower shuts it down? | 00:37 |
| josch | minute: why is there CriticalPowerAction=HybridSleep in /etc/UPower/UPower.conf? | 00:38 |
| zeha | https://sources.debian.org/src/upower/1.90.9-1/etc/UPower.conf/?hl=104#L104 default? | 00:41 |
| josch | zeha: i know -- my question is, why did we not change this? | 00:41 |
| zeha | why should you? | 00:41 |
| josch | because my pocket seems to be running quite a bit longer than 0% indicates? | 00:42 |
| zeha | but that is a problem in the domain of sysctl/batterymgmt, not in the upower domain | 00:42 |
| josch | yes | 00:43 |
| zeha | i would expect "0% battery" means: cannot continue running. i think this is not unreasonable | 00:44 |
| josch | i agree | 00:44 |
| josch | i do not know enough about the pocket but at least the classic reform lpc "learns" what 0% means first | 00:44 |
| josch | but if gnome/udisk switches it off before 0% is reached, the real 0% is never learned by the lpc | 00:44 |
| zeha | i've tried a bit with mine, but the learning doesnt seem to work | 00:45 |
| josch | well, i'm using gnome with 0% battery right now | 00:45 |
| josch | and that's not because my charging board is broken :D | 00:45 |
| zeha | :D | 00:45 |
| josch | no usb-c cable plugged in this time | 00:45 |
| zeha | the other day i had like "15%" and it couldnt boot | 00:45 |
| josch | funky | 00:46 |
| josch | well, at least to measure "how long does the battery last" i should disable upower | 00:46 |
| zeha | it made me appreciate that the other laptops battery gauge probably does some very interesting things | 00:46 |
| zeha | yeah | 00:46 |
| josch | i'd hope that there is some undervoltage protection which switches the thing off when it becomes unsafe for the cells | 00:46 |
| zeha | i think so | 00:47 |
| zeha | the packs have their own management and i think that will just cut the power | 00:47 |
| josch | oh indeed they do | 00:47 |
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| josch | and it's still running :) | 01:09 |
| josch | zeha: so something is deeply wrong with the sysctl computes the battery percentage, no? | 01:10 |
| zeha | afaik there -is- some learning. but i'm wary on the quality of it | 01:12 |
| josch | minute: i have another POC locally where i switched the partition table format of the system image from MBR to GPT and set up EFI boot. It seems to work at least under qemu with EFI: | 01:19 |
| josch | [ 18.479128] Run /init as init process | 01:19 |
| josch | Loading, please wait... | 01:19 |
| josch | Starting systemd-udevd version 257.6-1 | 01:19 |
| josch | maybe it will even run on real hardware with EDK2 | 01:19 |
| josch | i'll make it pretty tomorrow | 01:19 |
| zeha | nice | 01:24 |
| zeha | josch: but yeah, someone with more focus than me at the moment needs to read the battery gauge data sheet and appnotes and figure this out | 01:24 |
| minute | josch: zeha: i think the new reform2_lpc doesn't report 0% anymore | 01:25 |
| zeha | but the sysctl sometimes does (i think) | 01:26 |
| josch | minute: nice! I'm going to try this out tomorrow :) | 01:26 |
| zeha | or is that also clamped to something now? | 01:26 |
| minute | zeha: yeah but afaik i filter that now | 01:26 |
| zeha | ah | 01:26 |
| zeha | nice | 01:26 |
| minute | because 0% doesn't make sense | 01:26 |
| minute | :D | 01:26 |
| zeha | (now i vaguely remember seeing sth in your changes) | 01:26 |
| josch | pocket is now at 0% for an hour :) | 01:26 |
| zeha | yeah | 01:26 |
| josch | ah it switched off! | 01:27 |
| zeha | boom | 01:27 |
| josch | great stuff | 01:27 |
| zeha | ;) | 01:27 |
| josch | then tomorrow the real test :) | 01:27 |
| josch | 1.5 hours sounded a bit too bad XD | 01:27 |
| minute | josch: oh great, thanks for continuing on the amd64 image | 01:27 |
| minute | josch: this is about reform lpc, not pocket, right? | 01:27 |
| josch | minute: everything i said above was pocket | 01:28 |
| minute | ah ok | 01:28 |
| josch | UPower switched it off at 2% and i had to disable that to get an extra hour of runtime out of it | 01:28 |
| minute | i think esther's power test yielded 4h on pocket rk3588 | 01:28 |
| minute | josch: ok my plan is to clamp above 2% | 01:29 |
| minute | i think i'll do the last few percents voltage based | 01:29 |
| josch | yes, esthers results made me doubt that i do testing right | 01:29 |
| minute | the low and high end of the percentage can both be voltage based | 01:30 |
| josch | but esther is also not running gnome so maybe no upower either :) | 01:30 |
| minute | and the middle needs to be coloumb counted | 01:30 |
| minute | ah on pocket this is a hw gauge which works in mysterious ways | 01:30 |
| minute | but classic and next have fw gauges | 01:30 |
| zeha | mysterious ways :> | 01:30 |
| josch | indistinguishable from magic and all that :) | 01:31 |
| zeha | indeed | 01:31 |
| minute | hehe... patents: indistinguishable from magic | 01:31 |
| josch | aaaaanyways, enough reform for the day -- good night! _o/ | 01:32 |
| zeha | night! | 01:35 |
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| kfx | anyone using edk2 on reform with rk3588? if so, how'd you get it to use the built-in keyboard? | 07:05 |
| sad_plan | kfx: bkeys does iirc | 07:12 |
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| minute | kfx: someone should really do some customizing of edk2 for the actual reform2 device tree (not only for aio) | 11:53 |
| minute | kfx: also probably the usb hub reset should be toggled once, which i recently added to our uboot | 11:54 |
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| sad_plan | I have a feeling some of you guys would enjoy this: https://100r.co/site/uxn.html unless you already know of it ofcourse. | 13:11 |
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| CephonAltera | love UXN | 13:55 |
| sad_plan | CephonAltera: nice. ive only tested couple roms yet. what do you use it for? | 13:58 |
| CephonAltera | I used Dexe as my favorite hex viewer/editor | 13:59 |
| CephonAltera | but its also fun to program for. uxntal is a cool language | 13:59 |
| sad_plan | interesting | 13:59 |
| CephonAltera | this thing is also pretty neat https://100r.co/site/orca.html | 14:00 |
| sad_plan | neat | 14:03 |
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| bkeys | kfx: What problems are you having? It just worked for me | 15:22 |
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| josch | bkeys: i'm currently adding support for EFI booting to our Debian images by adding a unified kernel image into EFI/BOOT/bootaa64.efi. I currently boot this via qemu but i'm wondering about potentially booting that on real hardware. Do you happen to know in what way a non-qemu EFI implementation would pass board-specific Linux cmdline args? | 17:09 |
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| josch | i also fail to stop gnome from shutting down when battery percentage is reported as being critical -- anybody knows how to convince gnome to just do nothing? | 17:28 |
| josch | zeha, minute: alternatively I take patches to prevent sysctl from generating battery percentages below.... 2 percent? I'd have to read gnome code to see how this is actually implemented... | 17:29 |
| bkeys | josch: I mean grub should pass the cmdline args? | 17:30 |
| bkeys | EFI boots grub which then passes cmdline artgs | 17:30 |
| bkeys | args | 17:30 |
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| zeha | josch: i thought minute already did this | 18:03 |
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| zeha | josch: away for the evening, ping me tomorrow if nothings in master in an MR? | 18:04 |
| minute | josch: zeha: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/127/diffs#328ba5e9fbfb90bdcf78ee91fc2aeabdd10e2b64_491_449 | 18:05 |
| minute | josch: zeha: maybe try gauge < 5 | 18:05 |
| josch | minute: oooh this is in the lpc module, nice! This makes things easier to test for me. Will try, thank you! :) | 18:06 |
| minute | josch: yes :D | 18:06 |
| minute | josch: i'd like to get this merged soon-ish (next week?) | 18:06 |
| josch | but let me first find the codepath in gnome to have a good reasoning for the values we put there | 18:06 |
| josch | ah | 18:06 |
| josch | sure, merge away | 18:06 |
| josch | we can set a better value later | 18:06 |
| josch | we have family over this week so i don't get to do much XD | 18:07 |
| josch | that's why the plan was to do battery runtime experiments as those are mostly "doing themselves" :D | 18:07 |
| josch | okay, so gnome just uses UPower to figure out what to do when the battery is critical | 18:16 |
| josch | and apparently it does not understand the value "ignore" for CriticalPowerAction | 18:16 |
| josch | it only knows "PowerOff" and "everything else": https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/-/blob/main/plugins/power/gsd-power-manager.c?ref_type=heads#L459 | 18:17 |
| josch | the default value for PercentAction is 2.0 in Debian's /etc/UPower/UPower.conf | 18:18 |
| josch | so I suspect the lpc module must be prevented from reporting that and should stop at 3.0? | 18:18 |
| josch | i'll leave a comment about that in MR 127 | 18:19 |
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| josch | oh no wait there is als AllowRiskyCriticalPowerAction | 18:27 |
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| gsora | against all odds, ups delivered today | 19:50 |
| gsora | sadly, I think there’s an issue with my display :-/ | 19:50 |
| gsora | moving the display breaks the saturation of the colors, as if it isn’t connected properly, though I Inspected the cable and it looks properly seated | 19:52 |
| gsora | the fit and finish of this device is incredible by the way, I can’t believe it’s designed and partially made in a small shop in Germany | 19:54 |
| gsora | oh, there’s also a black dot on the screen… | 19:58 |
| gsora | actually more than one, and some ghosting as well | 19:59 |
| gsora | minute: ever seen anything like this? looks like either a faulty display or a broken connector? | 20:00 |
| josch | gsora: lets ping minute about the above -- otherwise, I guess write support@mntre.com | 20:00 |
| gsora | my luck keeps getting better lol crashed on my bike today as well | 20:01 |
| gsora | thinking about it, it might’ve bee damaged in shipping, as there wasn’t much packing material on the top of the box | 20:02 |
| gsora | a dog just appeared in the small screen lol | 20:06 |
| gsora | sent a mail to support so they can track the process better hopefully | 20:24 |
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| josch | bkeys: unfortunately grub cannot be installed reproducibly so you loose verifiable disk images :( | 21:46 |
| josch | gsora: right, if it arrived like that it sounds like a case of "damaged by shipment" :( | 21:47 |
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| kfx | bkeys: it mostly works, just doesn't recognize any keypresses | 22:13 |
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| + murphnj (~murph@user/murphnj) | 22:32 | |
| murphnj | tzag! Has anyone out there tried to reflash a Pocket reform by the internal connector? Does the battery power switch have to be on to do it? I have it off, and I don't see the USB device show up on the x86 laptop to do the reflash. I suspect that I need to switch the power, but don't want to let the magic smoke out, so I'm hoping for confirmation before I try. | 22:36 |
| josch | oh hello murphnj! | 22:36 |
| josch | murphnj: did you change the jumper position? | 22:36 |
| kfx | minute: edk2 recently pulled in the 6.15 device tree stuff, which includes the reform stuff | 22:36 |
| murphnj | Hi there, yes, I followed the directions carefully, but that was over a week ago, so I'll double-check beforehand. | 22:47 |
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| josch | murphnj: unfortunately I have not performed what you are trying myself yet. Maybe you want to ping minute with your qestuon | 23:27 |
| murphnj | Yeah, I'll do that on mastodon, soo how it goes. :) | 23:28 |
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