| josch | the switches are very interesting -- i have only been using the browns so far | 00:00 |
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| josch | the keyboard *does* require getting used to but that's no surprise :) | 00:00 |
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| wickedshell | lol I've had the mouse buttons not match the document that shipped with the pocket for so long I just gove very confused after updating :P | 00:42 |
| josch | what was the original mapping? somehow i keep trying to use the left-most button as the scroll wheel button instead of using it as the middle mouse button | 00:51 |
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| wickedshell | Yeah, left most was scroll, and I keep trying to use it like that still :) | 01:24 |
| wickedshell | I'll probably just retrain myself, not a big deal | 01:24 |
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| josch | it's probably habit from my classic reform where i operate the ball with my right thumb an hit the scroll button with my left thumb | 01:30 |
| wickedshell | Yup, that's exactly what the old was setup for, and right click was the button on the right closest to the ball | 01:35 |
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| digitalrane | Is the uboot for pocket reform + im8mp meant to be able to boot from an NVMe? I haven't reviewed the config yet, but I'm not seeing my NVMe detected in uboot logs? | 03:50 |
| digitalrane | I'm sure I can use the emmc for /boot but I was just curious | 03:51 |
| digitalrane | OK the config doesn't seem to enable it, so I'm assuming no, and will try adding it to the config | 03:53 |
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| reform3835 | zeha: charges from my thinkpad adapter as well :) | 09:59 |
| zeha | \o/ | 09:59 |
| zeha | could also try a phone charger or something else more constrained | 09:59 |
| zeha | thanks for testing+reporting | 09:59 |
| zeha | maybe we should have a list of known good/bad chargers somewhere | 10:00 |
| reform3835 | im still waiting for an | 10:00 |
| reform3835 | for any substantial problem to show up | 10:00 |
| zeha | ideally that doesnt happen ;) | 10:02 |
| reform3835 | but srsly its kinda surreal | 10:03 |
| reform3835 | i pop in my image from reform.d.n and it just works | 10:03 |
| zeha | \o/ | 10:06 |
| zeha | did you try gnome at all? (i havent, so far) | 10:06 |
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| reform3835 | err... lets apt install it an | 11:31 |
| reform3835 | and see what happens | 11:31 |
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| josch | zeha: i just ran "apt install gnome" and it seems to have worked for some value of "worked": https://mister-muffin.de/p/cG5T.jpg | 12:12 |
| zeha | m( | 12:13 |
| josch | the issue is described here: https://community.mnt.re/t/gnome-integration-notes-issue-tracking/3168 | 12:13 |
| josch | so it's trivial to fix | 12:13 |
| josch | as a user | 12:13 |
| josch | it becomes tricky when we want to create a reasonable default and then we get into the territory of device specific /etc/skel | 12:14 |
| josch | we talked about this topic a bit ago and decided on using jinja2 templates in reform-tools and applied by reform-setup-wizard | 12:14 |
| zeha | i still hope we can do this in devicetree :/ | 12:15 |
| josch | yes, though there were more reasons to want a device specific $HOME | 12:16 |
| josch | zeha: also remember how i showed you that instead of pressing down, enter in the oled menu to start the pocket you can just press "1" as well? I now learned that you can also just *hold* diagonal arrow and enter and the pocket will also boot | 12:18 |
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| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-53-72.bbcust.telenor.se) | 13:02 | |
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| zeha | josch: TIL! | 14:03 |
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| josch | zeha: my daughter found this out XD | 15:06 |
| josch | turns out the pocket has the idea size for a four-year-old | 15:06 |
| josch | *ideal | 15:06 |
| zeha | :o | 15:08 |
| josch | the keyboard size fits exactly her hands :D | 15:08 |
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| jfred | like a modern XO-1 :) | 16:56 |
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| minute | josch: so glad you got the pocket now! also, i've been discussing this gdm issue a lot :D | 18:35 |
| minute | we just had a 5 hour marathon meeting here filling in data for our new self-support system (do be launched soon), now i need some other topic to wake my brain up again :D | 18:37 |
| minute | zeha: i also want to fix this on a device tree level | 18:38 |
| minute | zeha: i remember we tried something a longer while ago here but i don't remember why that didn't work | 18:39 |
| minute | https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAD=FV=V7EiaYgzr57geyeqEafLJ67G2PJa8ejZwgWNV+icD0RQ@mail.gmail.com/T/ | 18:39 |
| minute | there is drm_panel_get_orientation() | 18:39 |
| minute | > For example, some panels parse the property through device tree during probe | 18:39 |
| minute | ah, so it's up to the panel driver? as we have a custom driver now we could maybe put it there | 18:39 |
| minute | (custom since disp v2) | 18:39 |
| minute | elixir.bootlin.com doesn't find drm_panel_get_orientation | 18:41 |
| minute | so i guess at least with this name it wasn't merged | 18:41 |
| minute | ah https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.14.7/A/ident/get_orientation | 18:47 |
| minute | > err = of_drm_get_panel_orientation(dev->of_node, &ctx->orientation); | 18:48 |
| minute | * of_drm_get_panel_orientation - look up the orientation of the panel through | 18:48 |
| minute | * the "rotation" binding from a device tree node | 18:48 |
| minute | ok we just need to wire this up in the pocket reform panel driver | 18:48 |
| zeha | ah | 18:51 |
| zeha | makes sense to me | 18:52 |
| josch | minute: You know I have been reading this channel and the forum about Pocket topics from the sidelines since the beginning and I must admit I was a bit worried that I would run into one problem or the other. But my fedi post didn't like. I literally did not find an issue yet which makes this device a show stopper. I'm so impressed how mature the pocket is! | 19:00 |
| minute | josch: very nice to hear! | 19:05 |
| minute | i have a patch, but need to compile first :D | 19:15 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50) | 19:22 | |
| BoostisBetter | yep, the recent sysctrl and kb firmware has fixed all of the kb issues I was having. Although it does seem like messing with the kb backlight does still intriduce some recoverable instability. I just don't do that anymore and things have been solid. I have been up for 9 days at this point Woot!. | 19:37 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: ok very nice to hear! | 19:40 |
| josch | oh no my brain... | 19:41 |
| josch | s/didn't like/didn't lie/ | 19:41 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: yeah I am glad able to do this and figure that out before you all sent me another kb. | 19:42 |
| BoostisBetter | I'm really jelly of josch's RK based Pocket, and really looking forward to getting the upgrade as well. | 19:44 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: have you figured out a bluetooth solution? I know you said you were working on something. No rush or stress. Just asking. | 19:45 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: yes, it's almost done | 19:47 |
| minute | there will be another m.2 e-key slot for intel ax210 wifi/bt | 19:47 |
| zeha | curious how that will look :) | 19:48 |
| minute | i am testing this now in the next and will adapt it to be a replacement for the headphone/switch board | 19:48 |
| minute | i.e. it will be merged with that | 19:48 |
| zeha | ah | 19:48 |
| minute | then the wwan slot is freed up again | 19:48 |
| zeha | i think you already told me and i forgot again | 19:49 |
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| BoostisBetter | minute: sounds like a great plan. Looking forward to it. | 19:51 |
| + exark (~exark@user/exark) | 19:52 | |
| minute | zeha: lets see https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/108/diffs | 19:55 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:85f:9a00:8300:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 20:00 | |
| BoostisBetter | alrighty Abendbrot time, all the best everyone. minute: thanks for all of your and the teams hardwork! | 20:03 |
| minute | BoostisBetter: thx, enjoy | 20:04 |
| zeha | i need to leave for the evening, can try it maybe later or tomorrow | 20:07 |
| zeha | good luck! | 20:07 |
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| josch | zeha: hey, do you know who else can try this kind of stuff out now?? :D | 20:35 |
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| minute | hehe | 20:49 |
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| * mark_ -> mjw | 20:49 | |
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| minute | josch: where do i get the updated linux-base package? | 20:56 |
| minute | josch: nvm, found | 20:56 |
| minute | josch: my patch messes up my display (i did some experiments with dsi sleep stuff), i don't recommend to install | 21:01 |
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| josch | oh just in time! i was about to press the button XD | 21:11 |
| BoostisBetter | has anybody else here noticed that sound in dosbox is no longer working? | 21:13 |
| minute | heh, mnt.re/system-image now points to the reform-system-any.img.gz :0 | 21:28 |
| minute | i hadn't realized this was released yet :D need to update all (TM) of our docs | 21:29 |
| - aloo_shu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 244 seconds) (~aloo_shu@85.51.17.10) | 21:29 | |
| minute | the "any" image appears to work on my pocket reform | 21:32 |
| + aloo_shu (~aloo_shu@85.51.17.10) | 21:36 | |
| minute | also, extlinux, yay | 21:40 |
| josch | minute: that is actually wrong, sorry | 22:00 |
| josch | minute: i forgot that when you run the pipeline with custom variables, then that changes the "last successful" run... | 22:00 |
| josch | i'm going to re-run it now with default values | 22:00 |
| minute | josch: thanks! | 22:00 |
| josch | sorry | 22:00 |
| josch | my intention was not to "remove" the normal images | 22:00 |
| josch | clearly i need to add some safeguards there like for reform-debian-packages | 22:01 |
| josch | to forbid running the pipeline with different settings | 22:01 |
| minute | ah i see | 22:03 |
| josch | what i changed was, that now the reform-system-any image will be generated *in addition* to the others | 22:03 |
| josch | so now you can choose | 22:03 |
| josch | for me this has the advantage that i now flash an image to an sd-card and it works on my a311d reform, the imx8mq and the rk3588 pocket | 22:03 |
| josch | so testing is a bit faster | 22:04 |
| josch | and my other motivation was, that with so many system images, i'm running out of disk space on reform.debian.net | 22:04 |
| josch | so even if you don't like the reform-system-any images, i am planning to only ship those on reform.d.n because of space constraints | 22:05 |
| minute | josch: ah yeah, in addition to the others is good | 22:07 |
| minute | josch: i do like them. i just have a chicken-and-egg problem when needing to create a factory image incl uboot for new devices that don't have uboot yet. but this can be solved soon | 22:08 |
| josch | minute: note that you are always free to flash u-boot to the reform-system-any as well | 22:08 |
| minute | aaaaa driver based display rotation works 0__0 | 22:08 |
| josch | minute: the first partition is intentionally at an offset of 16MB | 22:08 |
| minute | i could have done this all along... | 22:08 |
| josch | that way, even rk3588 u-boot fits | 22:09 |
| minute | *head explodes* | 22:09 |
| josch | congrats! | 22:09 |
| minute | josch: that's cool @ uboot, i just need to adjust our internal tooling for that then, and documentation. so in general i'm all for the universal image, just need some more time to prepare docs etc | 22:10 |
| josch | minute: the advantage is, that there is no rush because the existing images can happily co-exist with the any-image :) | 22:10 |
| minute | ok great :D | 22:13 |
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| josch | yes, so if i didn't mess up, you can change things at your pace -- should i have added anything which forces your hand or puts any urgency on your todo list, please shout so that i can revert | 22:17 |
| minute | josch: awesome, will do | 22:19 |
| josch | pipeline succeeded | 22:36 |
| josch | https://mnt.re/system-image has all images again | 22:36 |
| josch | sorry for the confusion | 22:36 |
| minute | josch: thank uuu | 22:38 |
| josch | thank you for reporting the issue :) | 22:39 |
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| josch | okay, seems i'm lucky that i'll not need to use S2 of my pocket | 23:09 |
| josch | the case is in the way | 23:09 |
| josch | maybe angular dupont connectors exist? | 23:09 |
| minute | josch: to plug something in, i unscrew 2 of the motherboard screws and bend the back of the motherboard up a bit... :D | 23:10 |
| josch | uff | 23:10 |
| josch | guess i'll *not* install a311d into that one :D | 23:11 |
| josch | but copypasting works better with this baudrate! | 23:11 |
| minute | yeah :D | 23:12 |
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| josch | i just had display not come on with my image | 23:13 |
| josch | rebooting worked though... hrm... | 23:14 |
| minute | weird | 23:16 |
| josch | backlight was on but no content (booting from sd) | 23:16 |
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| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 244 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 23:30 | |
| josch | minute: you did it! gdm is not in portrait mode anymore! | 23:35 |
| josch | and for some reason, both terminal as well as gnome itself (where i set up landscape rotation) are rotated the right way | 23:36 |
| josch | indeed, instead of giving me the options "portrait, landscape right, landscape left and portrait (flipped)" i now get "landscape, portrait right, portrait left and landscape (flipped)" | 23:39 |
| minute | josch: oh nice, which build did you test, the latest? | 23:47 |
| josch | yes | 23:47 |
| minute | nice, thanks for testing! you have display v2 and i have v1 | 23:47 |
| josch | yes, two pipelines you said the first produced artifacts so i tested the second once it had completed | 23:48 |
| josch | coolio! | 23:48 |
| minute | great | 23:48 |
| josch | i was worried that this would cause regressions due to existing workarounds rotating stuff -- good that this does not seem to be the case :) | 23:50 |
| josch | this means that the fbcon=rotate:3 cmdline can stay in u-boot for a while longer until everybody upgraded to the fixed kernel | 23:51 |
| minute | ah yeah, i was wondering | 23:53 |
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