2025-05-20.log

joschthe new naming scheme will be part of linux starting with v6.15-rc100:02
joschso the next collabora patch stack will probably have this cleaned up :)00:02
joschand until then, i need to adapt the 6.12 patches for arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-base.dtsi to use the new naming scheme (because obviously it uses the old)00:03
joschlike so: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8ac19089/00:03
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digitalranejosch, sorry, shoukd have been clearer, I was intending on lifting the sections from another dts already working, I wasn't clear on you wanting to use the 6.14 dts on 6.1200:43
digitalrane*I should00:44
joschdigitalrane: no worries! :)00:45
joschdevice trees are still black magic to me00:45
minutejosch: btw hdmi0 is no longer in base, but in extra now iirc01:29
minuteor was it hdmi1?01:29
minuteand yeah, i also remember this discrepancy of the one phy being renamed but the other not yet01:30
minuteit also took me quite a while to get comfy with device trees over the years :D the only thing i haven't fully understood yet is how address-cells etc work, so i should read up on those last details01:32
minutehttps://devicetree-specification.readthedocs.io/en/stable/devicetree-basics.html01:33
minuteahhh01:37
minuteaddress-cells defines the address space for the child nodes in steps of 32 bits01:38
minuteso address-cells = <1>; says that the children are addressed in a 32 bit memory space, 2 would be 64 etc01:39
minutethe address of a node is specified via reg = ...01:39
minutesize-cells is the same but for the size that this node occupies starting from its address01:40
minutes/this node/this node's children/01:40
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bremnerDid I hallucinate the WWAN card option for the pocket reform? I can't find it on shop.mntre.com now. 01:46
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bremnerhrm. Or maybe I need to examine the configuration of my pocket reform to see if the slot is being used by a wifi adapter. 02:08
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digitalranethere was a specific WWAN card for sale for a bit IIRC but depending where you live you'll likely want to investigate which cards cover the most appropriate LTE/5G bands for your area04:03
digitalranefor me for example in Australia I have an EC25 which is slow but covers LTE band 28 (important here)04:04
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digitalraneon device trees, a game changer for me was realising I could use dtc to also decompile devicetree binaries back to source (although, without nice names on nodes) for easier comparison between systems04:05
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joschminute: did you ever want to just boot into a shell on a fresh system image for debugging purposes instead having to click through the wizard first? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/12705:40
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bremnerdigitalrane: right, thanks. I am thinking about Canada, Europe and Japan, so probably want a "global" card06:46
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joschminute: and what are your thoughts about making the switch from boot.scr to extlinux.conf in the default system images? That would be https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/12609:26
+ mjw (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)09:58
minutejosch: i'm all for extlinux! :D10:09
anzuUpdate about my move of /boot from sd-card to emmc: I didn't do anything since the last time I messaged here about this, but I now tried again to boot without sd card and it just works now. I used the reform but did not even update it or anything like that.10:35
anzuWell, I plugged in an HDMI cable now, and it used the internal screen. But it also works now without HDMI cable inserted10:37
joschanzu: does that mean that all problems are gone now?10:54
anzujosch: Looks like it10:54
joschniiiice!!10:55
joschminute: okay, then i'm going to press the merge button and if somebody happens to find a problem i'll deal with it as usual10:55
josch(or even revert in the worst case)10:55
anzuJust don't know how xD Maybe the HDMI cable somehow impacted it? There was this A311D questions thread recently which also discussed the behaviour of internal/external screen choice after migrating the /boot10:56
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joschminute: merged. There is now a new file called reform-system-any.img.gz -- flash that to an sd-card and now that sd-card will boot on *all* Reform platforms *if* they have a recent u-boot flashed to eMMC11:20
joschand next up: building system images for Debian Trixie https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/12811:27
joschAnd just in time. Now back in the garden because UPS is supposed to arrive between in 2 minutes and 4 hours.11:28
grimmwarecourier delivery is a joke11:50
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joschIT ARRIVED!!!13:35
joschwickedshell: ^13:35
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joschokay13:56
joschi had *not* expected this13:56
joschthis thing is FAST13:56
joschwow13:56
joschi am totally not used to this13:56
joschi love my a311d and all but wow13:57
joschzeha: draws 30 W from my usb-c adapter and charges the batteries \o/13:59
joschand also works with my lifepo4 power bank \o/14:01
zehanice14:03
zehathx for testing14:03
joschthank you for making it work so well! :D14:04
joschuh oh14:04
josch0 W14:04
joschnevermind XD14:05
grimmwarejosch: did you get a 3588?14:05
joschgrimmware: yuuuup14:05
grimmwareit's fucking good isn't it?14:05
joschi wanted to avoid using that wording but YES XD14:06
grimmwarehahah14:06
joschit's such a difference!14:06
joschi'm currently building a universal debian trixie image on reform.d.n -- i'll test that on it next14:06
joschlets see how long it takes before i have to take out the usb uart serial adapter XD14:07
joschminute: the only issue i had was, that from the leaflet that came with the pocket, I was not sure what to do with the standby power switch. It doesn't say whether there is something in it that has to be pressed or slided or something.14:08
joschi think one needs to slide it with a sharp object14:08
joschat least it turned on now :D14:08
joschminute: but maybe the paper that comes with it should say that there is something to slide and in which direction it should be pushed14:09
elbI'm pretty sure that's in the handbook, I know I read it somewhere14:17
elbporing over the docs before my pocket reform ships ;-)14:18
elbyeah, it's step one in the quick start in the operator handbook14:19
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+ mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)14:38
joschhah nice, i just didn't RTFM :D14:38
joschelb: thank you for checking!14:38
joschthis will be really funny because i've read all these experience and bug reports of pocket users and i only half remember them because they didn't affect me back then14:39
joschlets see into which issues i'll be running into!14:39
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+ reform8920 (~mmmm@ip2504e528.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)14:50
reform8920Linux mmmm 6.12.27-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.12.27-1+reform20250518T211405Z (2025-05-18) aarch64 GNU/Linux14:50
reform8920hello from the pocket14:51
reform8920with yyytrn14:51
joschwhoops14:51
joschwith debian trixie :)14:51
reform8920learning the ke14:52
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joschhrm.. neo2 is a bit challenging on that keyboard14:52
reform8920i will have to remap some keys14:53
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joschokay, so for everybody who wants to try out Debian Trixie on their reform, you can flash it like this:14:55
joschsudo bmaptool copy --fingerprint 3AC6EB840FA5CE3FF31BAD80EF93221F8A44FEB2 --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg https://reform.debian.net/images/reform-system-any.img.xz /dev/mmcblk014:55
joschthe image should boot on all Reform platforms that have a recent-enough u-boot on eMMC14:55
josch(worked out-of-the box on my rk3588 pocket)14:55
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joschhuh i just had a weird effect when trying to unlock luks it would refuse my passphrase several times15:29
joschtook me ten times before it worked and my passphrase was just mmmm so little chance that i typo-ed that15:30
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wickedshelljosch: sweet!23:46
wickedshellregarding LUKS, for some reason my pocket *really* likes to double the e key when I release it and that sometimes leads to LUKS pain23:47
wickedshellI should actually debug that at somepoint, but I've been to lazy, and just pay attention to how many e's show up...23:47
wickedshellHaving just said that I just realized that I've never updated the keyboard firmware, and there's over a year of updates available, that seems like a great starting point :P23:59

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