2025-05-07.log

minuteok, i'm back!00:00
minute> Linux pocki3000 6.14.5-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.14.5-1~exp1+reform20250506T193533Z (2025-05-06) aarch64 GNU/Linux00:00
vagrantcpromising :)00:05
minuteworks fine :3 tomorrow i'll also update u-boot :D i wonder if my usb hub reset thing will fix the usb-not-working-on-10%-of-boots or nah00:07
minutelater it'll turn out that it's wonky dwc3 again that relies on a certain loglevel for timing :D00:07
joschls1028a traumatization is no joke00:08
vagrantcapparently running 8 builds in parallel letting each build use 8 cores cranks the load up to ~60 ... but it was still pretty responsive. :)00:10
minutejosch: yeah00:16
joschreform-system-rk3588-dsi.img.gz: found 1 matching artifact files and directories 00:19
joschjob succeeded00:19
josch(will just spend the next 15 minutes uploading the artifacts)00:20
minuteniice00:20
joschminute: do you want to test the images first?00:20
minutejosch: yeah, but can only do it tomorrow00:20
joschokay!00:21
joschthen i'll leave it up to you to press the merge button :)00:21
svpmy memory must be getting foggier than i thought, i didnt remember the good ol' i.mx8mw getting as spicy as ive been feeling it lately00:28
svper, mq*00:28
joschsvp: spicy?00:29
svpjosch: hot00:29
svpi do have an idea besides repasting but it depends on whether or not i can find that side-blowing fan i have...00:30
vagrantcjosch: the patched rk3588-mnt-reform2.dts ... did not go as smoothly as i would liked. might give it another try another time. :)00:38
zehaminute: could you try this on your pocket? https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/3600:39
joschvagrantc: what happened?00:40
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minutezeha: awesome, thank you very much for working on this! will install00:57
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reform24713hello from imx8mq :)00:58
reform24713Linux mmmm 6.14.5-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 6.14.5-1~exp1+reform20250506T203207Z (2025-05-06) aarch64 GNU/Linux00:58
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joschseems to work :)00:58
joschthat was with the new system image from the pipeline00:59
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minutejosch: nice!01:00
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minutezeha: lost usb hub of monitor for a few seconds after updating but then it came back :D01:04
minutezeha: and is still charging01:04
zehauh ok01:08
zehaupgrading resets the pd state01:09
zehaso not totally unexpected that the usb hub also resets or so01:09
minutezeha: yeah totally01:09
minutezeha: it's kind of luxurious that this works at all01:09
minute"part of my computer rebooted"01:10
zehahah yeah01:12
zehathe MR works for me with my usual charger, and with the aukey charger selfawaresoup mentioned01:13
zehacan try tomorrow with more chargers01:13
zehabut i think it should be fine for selfawaresoup to try01:13
minutezeha: yes, very nice01:14
minutei'll also test a bunch01:14
minuteone bugfix we could do is: after sysctl update, some state in sysctl forgets that power is on, so if you accidentally hit oled->1, it'll hard reset the system01:16
^alex"part of my computer rebooted", specifically the part that controls the power!01:16
minutehaha yes01:16
^alexalso yeah, i think we observed the same issue on the pocket01:16
^alexw/r/t forgetting exactly what was on, so saying "turn on" from the menu is a hard reset01:17
minuteyeah01:17
^alexbut at least doing the upgrade itself isn't a hard reset anymore01:17
minutetotally... i'm sure it's just some flag not being set in the function that recovers from the reset01:18
minuteheh, with 6.14 i now have /dev/video0-401:18
zehai think hitting 1 while on is always a hard reset01:19
zehatheres just no check01:19
zehalet me try this01:19
zehahmm01:20
minutezeha: there's just a logic error in turn_som_power_on()01:23
minutezeha: the latch is enabled before setting the values01:23
minutei mean, "error"... i just did it that way and also with the 10ms stair for the enables... not even sure if that's great or necessary01:24
zehai wonder if turn_som_power_on shouldnt just return if som_is_powered is already true01:25
zehabut if you know how to make turn_som_power_on safe, please do :)01:26
minutezeha: that would be a quick fix yeah.01:26
zehai dont really understand why it only happens after a sysctl upgrade01:26
^alexwe might not have restored all of the state across resets01:27
^alexwe meant to revisit that code a while ago but the world kinda exploded :)01:27
minutezeha: ok, it's like this: the external latch holds the gpio values for the enables. after reset, the gpios are off, but the latch still keeps the old values going... until someone sets the latch to 1, which happens in the first step in turn_som_power_on01:27
zehaahh01:28
zeham(01:28
minuteyeah.01:28
^alexyeah i think we don't store all of the GPIO states, just kinda hack it when coming back up post-reset01:28
minutecorrect01:28
^alexwe would probably do something like store the GPIO states in the low bits of those (iirc) watchdog registers01:29
^alexso that a reset can restore them correctly01:30
minuteinteresting. but we should also know the gpio states, if i'm not mistaken01:30
minutethey're simply those that result at the end of turn_som_power_on01:30
^alexoh! well then 01:30
minuteanother fix would be to not latch in the beginning of the function if som_is_powered01:31
minute(but latch at the end, for a moment)01:31
minuteanyway, i should be sleeping :D can look into this later01:31
^alexgo sleep! 01:31
zehawith the stair in, i think it doesn't really make sense to do the turn-on dance when its already supposed to be turned on01:31
zehabut yeah, tomorrow01:32
minute(also, i wonder how to actually use all those video decoders we have now? mpv doesn't seem to like them out of the box)01:32
minuten8n801:32
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zehatried a few more chargers and it seems solid11:03
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zehai think i'm for the first time conciously seeing what minute meant with 'the charger chip seems to hang sometimes'11:06
minutezeha: how did you trigger it? the cases i know of happen if the rp2040 is reset/flashed at the wrong moment, presumably during some comms with the charger or monitor11:07
zehaunplugged a usb-c charger11:08
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minutezeha: oh weird11:21
minutezeha: with your new fw it does charge here at home on all 3 chargers i have (ravpower, dell monitor, apple phone charger)11:24
zehacan you try a bit of unplugging/replugging, to see if its now more likely to hang?11:24
zeha:\11:24
zehasuper weird11:38
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wickedshellzeha, minute is this the PR for the respect charger power limit? I can flash it here and test my various chargers if you need wider testing17:17
zehahttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/3617:18
zeha^ this17:18
wickedshellzeha: yup that's the one I was thinking of. Are you looking for more testing of it/is it ready for that?17:20
zehayeah, please test17:21
wickedshellwilco17:24
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wickedshellOkay, I've done this before, but I've apparently forgotten things in the last 3 months, or not awake enough yet. update-sysctl-firmware.sh can't find the rp2040, or thinks more then one is found. Any pointers?17:33
wickedshellhuh, looks like it's a usb devid mysmatch. I have 1209:6d07 which says it's the generic pocket reform system controller, but the script is looking for a different idea. Might just change the script to look for the devid it currently is?17:36
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wickedshellOkay, I'm a bit stuck, can't seem to get the system controller into bootloader mode currently it's running PREF1SYSR1202025011817:46
zehai guess your sysctl is new enough for fwupd17:56
zehain that case you can try: sudo fwupdtool install  --allow-reinstall --allow-older ./sysctl.cab17:56
zehaif that doesnt work, probably this should work: sudo reform-mcu-tool bootsel pocket-sysctl-1.0  ; sudo picotool load -f sysctl.uf2 ; sudo picotool reboot17:57
wickedshellHuh, never used fwupd before. Annoyingly apparently last round of updates broke apt. I'll go with the mcu tool for now and figure out apt later18:01
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joschwickedshell: do you have some output that apt give you? Maybe it's easy to fix18:06
wickedshelljosch: it was complaining about a read only filesystem inside of the apt stuff (something with a path of partial) I went for easy mode, rebooted (not expecting it to work) and if uh isn't a problem anymore18:08
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zehareadonly fs might have been triggered by the fw update attempt18:10
wickedshellzeha, interesting. I didn't have fwupdtoool available, so not sure what flagged it into that.18:11
zehasome of the update shell scripts do it, iirc18:11
wickedshellAfter apt worked fwupdtool was used and worked to load it. After using fwupdtool though I will note I was getting weird key repeats off the keyboard/input lag. Not a problem after a subsequent reboot18:12
joschzeha: if the firmware update script can leave the filesystem read-only then an exit trap is missing which reverts the system state in case of an error?18:15
zehajosch: iirc you're supposed to reboot afterwards18:15
zehahttps://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-factory/-/blob/main/pocket-reform/update-sysctl-firmware.sh?ref_type=heads#L13118:16
zehadunno how one should recover from this18:16
joschi see18:17
wickedshellzeha: steam deck, pine power, dell laptop charger, anker 6 in 1 all work18:18
joschat least that should not be a problem anymore after the firmware is on that revision as afterwards fwupd can be used without this drawback, right?18:18
zehajosch: yes18:18
zehawickedshell: great!18:18
wickedshellA USB-C battery pack that can only do 5V3A, 9V2A, 12V1.5A does not work18:18
zehahmm. 12V1.5A should work in theory18:19
zehacan you capture the debug output on /dev/ttyACM0?18:19
wickedshellIt worked with the firmware that it shipped from the factory to me with way back when, but didn't after any of the USB-C rework stuff. (Although that making steam deck chargers work was much more valuable then the battery bank)18:19
zehai guess a battery pack might do some "interesting" stuff and i don't have one for testing. so if you could get the debug output that might be helpful18:20
wickedshellzeha what's an easy way to capture stuff from a serial port for sharing? My normal version of just connect screen isn't exactly friendly for sharing18:21
joschminute: uuuh you merged https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/124 *partyemoji*18:22
joschwait, i got this: 🎉18:22
wickedshelloh god. It worked after replugging it enough times :P18:22
zehawickedshell: could you try minicom -C capture.log -D /dev/ttyACM018:22
zehaugh18:23
wickedshellFirst 4 times didn't work, the fifth magically did18:23
zehathen i'm even more interested in debug output :D18:23
potatoespotatoesheyo! I'm setting up the rk3588+guix image and I'm having a bit of trouble detecting the wifi card (the AsiaRF Wi-Fi card with MT7612U chipset). Is that supposed to work out-of-the-box on 6.12 or do I need mediatek drivers?18:25
potatoespotatoesThe other person who was loud about getting this working seemed to indicate that the former was possible, but no dice for me : (18:26
potatoespotatoes*getting guix+mntreform working18:26
joschpotatoespotatoes: in debian at least you need the non-free firmware-mediatek package18:26
zehadriver should be in the stock kernel though18:27
zehamt76x2u / mt76x02_usb18:27
potatoespotatoesif it's in stock kernel, do I just need to add this to the list of modules loaded at boot? Where can I even find that list (I've tried looking)18:28
wickedshellzeha I blame this battery pack as being weird. I now can't get the exact message I saw with screen before. But it also appears to releate to how I interact with the battery pack. (IE don't touch anything with the display off, plug it in and it charges me, if I press the button on it first it tells me to get lost)18:29
zehapotatoespotatoes: i took it from my working pocket18:32
zehawickedshell: :/18:32
wickedshellzeha: https://pub.microbin.eu/upload/snail-dog-goat18:32
potatoespotatoesoh! are you running guix? that would be very cool18:32
wickedshellI wouldn't obsess about the battery pack too much, it was a free unexpected item in a box from scamazon, if it works it's kinda cool, if not I'm not upset :)18:33
zehapotatoespotatoes: no, that was from a debian host18:34
potatoespotatoeszeha: ah, okay. I'm always curious (many hands make light work : ))18:35
zehawickedshell: looks like there's some baudrate issue with this log18:36
zehawickedshell: can you try again and add -b 115200?18:36
wickedshellzeha I'll admit to having never used minicom and didn't spec the baudrate, I did when I used screen18:36
wickedshellWill do18:36
zehasorry18:36
potatoespotatoesI think it should be in this mediatek-firmware package from the nonguix repo, so I'm crossing my fingers and I'll probably add a few more wifi drivers in case other users are using different chipsets18:37
wickedshellzeha: nah, that's on me18:37
wickedshellzeha: https://pub.microbin.eu/upload/snail-duck-whale18:39
zehastill looks kinda borked, but ok18:40
wickedshellzeha honestly looks like that in screen locally as well18:41
zeha# [pd] PD_STATE_ATTACHED_SNK timeout while handshaking, sending soft reset18:42
zeha# [pd] PD_STATE_ATTACHED_SNK timeout while handshaking, reset18:42
minutejosch: i just flashed the rk3588-reform2-dsi image from here to sd card and booted it in the device, which works fine, and then i did reform-migrate to try to install to emmc. i still got a "W:" about the machine not being supported. is that still expected? https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/9789/artifacts/browse18:42
zehanot that great behaviour18:42
zehawickedshell: so the # should always be at the start of a line. dunno why that doesnt work on your machine18:42
wickedshellThe one that works at the end is what happens when I plug it in without having turned the device screen on with the button (who knows what modes that toggles through)18:43
joschminute: what was the warning message?18:43
joschminute: the machine.conf for rk3588 has EMMC_BOOT=warn18:43
joschminute: should this not be the case anymore?18:44
wickedshellzeha that's a USB CDC device right? So we really shouldn't lose anything...18:44
minutejosch: i have to do it again to see. ah, the warning was "unsupported machine" or "machine not supported"18:44
joschwas it: E: writing to eMMC not supported on18:44
zehawickedshell: yeah18:45
joschah no wait, it was:18:45
joschW: Using eMMC on $(cat /proc/device-tree/model) is not without risk.18:45
zehamaybe the minicom defaults are wrong or something18:45
joschthere is a bit more text informing about the risk and then you can press "y", yes?18:45
wickedshellzeha: yeah, except that screen shows me the same thing, which is surprising, unless minicom has confused the rp2040?18:46
zehaah hm18:46
wickedshellAny important changes to the pico SDK since january? I didn't pull any updates there first18:46
minutejosch: "W: unsupported machine: MNT Reform 2 with RCORE-DSI RK3588 Module"18:47
joschooooh shoot18:47
joschthat's the initramfs18:47
minutei just reran: sudo reform-boot-config --emmc /dev/mmcblk0p218:47
joschokay, at least it doesn't exit 1 or anything18:47
minuteso it outputs that after > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.14.5-mnt-reform-arm6418:47
joschgood, then i know where to fix this18:47
joschone sec...18:47
minuteand some a bit weird sounding messages of "WARNING: Unknown X keysym "dead_greek""18:47
minutefwiw, the system doesn't manage to boot from emmc after this. only from sd18:48
zehadont hate the dead greeks!18:48
joschminute: bin/reform-hw-setup also does not do the right thing so init_rk3588 and init_wm8960 are never run -- can you confirm?18:49
minutejosch: i think i saw a systemd error about this yeah18:49
wickedshellzeha: what version of pico-sdk is expected?18:49
zehai'm compiling with pico-sdk-source 2.1.1-118:50
minutei'm testing the a311d reform2 image and the display is coming up fine, but it's rotated :D my guess is that this bananapi cm4 has the pocket uboot on emmc18:51
zeha:D18:51
minuteyeah, sway isn't rotated18:52
joschrotated? i thought we are talking about classic reform with rk358818:53
joschnext round of fixes: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/11918:53
minutejosch: yeah i'm doing multiple tests on multiple machines in parallel to not have waiting times18:53
joschminute: but the pocket reform has nothing to do with dsi, right?18:53
minuteah yes, did reform-flash-uboot emmc on the a311d test reform and now the console is rotated correctly again.18:53
minutejosch: i don't recall mentioning pocket!18:54
minutejosch: ah i did18:54
joschi also thought only pocket had the rotated display18:54
minutejosch: it's just that i have random test modules flying around. i took one that must have been used in a pocket before18:54
joschah okay! :D18:54
minuteso it's emmc uboot was used and made the console rotated.18:54
minutejosch: looks good, should i merge or will you?18:55
joschif this is the last fix, i'll cut a new reform-tools release18:55
joschor should we go via another reform-debian-packages patch first?18:55
josch(the latter will be faster as it does not have to wait for Debian)18:56
minutejosch: ah, yeah i need this working tonight, or i'll have to do local patching on the machines18:56
joschgood, then lets patch reform-debian-packages now18:56
joschone sec...18:56
minute(because tomorrow is feiertag i only have today to finish prep for the classic reform2 rk3588 installations that will happen on friday)18:56
minutejosch: i can also pretest it by applying your diff on the test machine18:57
joschfeel free to do that18:57
minute(btw a311d classic is fine with latest system)18:57
wickedshellzeha: okay I'm on a much older one, I just have the 1.5.1 since that's what install-fw-dependencies.sh gave me18:58
wickedshellSo that could easily be related18:58
zehayou could try the built fw from https://source.mnt.re/zeha/pocket-reform/-/jobs/9790/artifacts/download?file_type=archive18:59
zehai think that should also use a current pico sdk18:59
zehaactually i'm somewhat surprised it compiles with 1.518:59
minuteah i guess i need to patch the files on the emmc rootfs...19:00
wickedshellzeha: to be fair I had to make build.sh look at where install-fw-dependencies dropped the sdk. But yeah, looks like the fw dep script needs an update19:00
wickedshellI'm going to just update the SDK here19:01
zehayou can install pico-sdk-source from debian testing19:01
minutejosch: ah, this fix doesn't look like its critical for the function maybe? because that case doesn't do anything?19:01
zehathen build.sh should work as is19:01
minutejosch: but i can confirm the warning is gone19:01
joschminute: the initramfs-tools change indeed is harmless19:02
joschminute: but the reform-hw-setup problem should not be harmless as no hardware setup is happening19:02
minutejosch: got it19:03
minutethen i need to debug in depth why this system isn't booting from emmc19:04
joschi pushed the fix directly to main of reform-debian-packages19:04
joschbuild_patched_arm64 job succeeded19:05
minutenice19:08
wickedshellzeha: okay fixed it by going to newer SDK version19:09
joschminute: re booting emmc: consider that i might've screwed up my changes to the linux device tree to make it compatible with u-boot. Maybe I have removed too much.19:11
josch(if you are talking about the dsi dtb that is)19:11
minutejosch: ah hmm yeah19:11
minutejosch: it works on sd card though19:13
joschi'm not going to pretend that i know what i'm doing :D19:13
zehawickedshell: oh wow, good to know19:13
minutejosch: debugging has commenced19:16
joschi hope it's not too crazy!19:34
minuteweird, now that i connected a serial debugger, it boots from emmc ;S19:37
joschls1028a déjà vu intensifies19:41
minuteah. different module, different story19:41
minutemmc_load_image_raw_sector: mmc block read error19:42
minuteSPL: failed to boot from all boot devices19:42
minute### ERROR ### Please RESET the board ###19:42
minutepower cycled, now it works19:42
josch\o/19:42
minuteso it seems emmc support in uboot for rk3588 is wonky19:42
minute;/19:42
minutenot the first time that uboot emmc support is wonky...19:43
minutemaybe we need to lower the clock in the uboot dts...19:43
minuteat least i can say that the whole reform-migrate to emmc process works now19:44
joschalternatively, you could try reform-flash-rescue which downloads and flashes the latest image to emmc19:45
minuteah yeah, i always mega forget about this... maybe because there is no more "rescue" per se19:45
minutedoes that use bmaptool btw?19:46
joschif it's available then yes19:47
joschit falls back to dd if it's not installed19:47
josch(checks via command -v)19:47
minuteneat19:47
joschand with Debian Bookworm images from reform.debian.net it also checks the GPG signature of the image :)19:47
minuteinteresting, the dts files for reform2 and reform2-dsi have different mmc freqs19:48
minute(in uboot)19:48
minuteso i already lowered the freq for linux once but not for uboot... but the lowering is already in the reform2-dsi dts i'm testing with... meh19:49
minutemaybe uboot works better @ 200mhz mmc? :D19:50
josch(reform-debian-packages pipeline succeded)19:50
+ manis (01a66df340@185.72.67.185)19:55
minutenice19:59
minutelooks like it was already deployed?20:01
minuteok, will now try to install gnome on this desktop reform system (which now miraculously boots from emmc)20:10
minutesudo systemctl disable greetd; sudo apt install gnome20:10
minutethat's all that's needed to get it running20:24
minuteinteresting, gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock (debian package) is not recognized by gnome as an extension... or possibly i have to relogin20:33
minuteok, i need to remove this "DEBUG: ti_sn65dsi86_suspend skipped." spam from our driver20:36
minutepushed20:45
joschi can confirm that disabling greetd and installing gnome is all that's needed -- that's also how i installed it here on a minimal system image on imx8mq21:14
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+ jacobk (~quassel@47-186-65-73.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net)21:58
- gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-78-82-38-134.bbcust.telenor.se)22:15
- jacobk (QUIT: Ping timeout: 248 seconds) (~quassel@47-186-65-73.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net)22:22
joschminute: is everything ready? should i upload a new reform-tools version?22:25
minutejosch: the new ping doesn't work :D operation not permitted22:29
- chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:85f:9ac9:6600:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)22:33
minutejosch: with reform-tools everything seems to be fine yeah22:33
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joschminute: what do you get when you run this: getcap /usr/bin/ping22:36
joschand do you have linux-sysctl-defaults installed?22:41
minutejosch: sorry, can't do it atm, need to drive home22:43
joschokay!22:45
joschminute: I was able to reproduce the problem on the 6.14 system image on imx8mq and installing linux-sysctl-defaults is indeed the fix22:48
joschi'll just add it as a depends to reform-desktop-minimal22:49
minutejosch: nice, thanks22:57
joschminute: each pipeline run of reform-system-image now creates nearly 14 GB of artifacts. Maybe you want to re-evaluate the concept of a unified system image? It would only exclude those platforms with ancient u-boot (never updated imx8mq) and platforms where you didn't flash u-boot with dtbpath set (original imx8mplus pocket)23:17
minutejosch: sounds good! 23:35
+ mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)23:36
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* mark_ -> mjw23:36
+ Guest5299 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2486:a800:7602:5eff:dc71:a72c)23:37
joschminute: maybe the pipeline can have a setting which allows to build all images every once in a while but have the unified non-device-specific image the default?23:37

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