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reform13896 | history | 08:58 |
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reform13896 | names | 08:58 |
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frickler | minute: still need to do more detailed testing, but it sure does work much better than with the old one | 09:18 |
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minute | frickler: good to hear! | 10:25 |
zeha | does anyone know what mpris-proxy.service is? | 10:32 |
zeha | shutdown earlier today was delayed by it for the full 1min30s systemd timeout | 10:32 |
zeha | and i dont even know what its good for | 10:32 |
zeha | https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/bluez/mpris-proxy.1.en.html this doesn't tell me anything | 10:32 |
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gordon1 | i feel lucky, i think that is what we're missing for hibernate for pcie https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-rockchip/patch/20250430-b4-pci_dwc_reset_support-v1-1-f654abfa7925@wdc.com/ | 11:15 |
zeha | nice | 11:20 |
gordon1 | btw on a mildly unrelated note, i noticed with previous set of PCIe patches ( https://0x0.st/8O77.txt ) nvmes behave much more reliably, i had issues before where i observed hiccups that lead to controller reset and failed attempts to init the device during the boot, but nothing of this happened during last few weeks after i applied those patches | 11:22 |
gordon1 | not sure which one exactly did it, and tbh not in a mood to find out since it will require too much time because errors are so intermittent | 11:25 |
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ryukazou | After months of using pocket reform as my primary device, I decide switch to framework 12 once it comes out. Pocket reform will cause my eye fatigue after two and half hours of work. | 12:30 |
ryukazou | Pocket reform will still remain my secondary device. | 12:34 |
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andreas-e | ryukazou: Interesting! May I be so indiscreet as to ask your age? Since I turned 45 and needed progressive glasses, I have become very unhappy with small screens, which is why I did not opt for the pocket reform. The regular one has just the right screen size (if I increase the font size a bit...). | 12:51 |
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ryukazou | andreas-e: I’m 33-a editor work at a major Japan book publisher, I choose pocket reform as my primary device cause I often need to meet the writer I’m responsible with face in face, so I don’t really have much time sit in the office to finish my other editing work. So I choose pocket reform to build my work environment around so I can finish some work when I transition via JR or HSR. The other factor I choose pocket | 13:08 |
ryukazou | reform is I got a lots of raw paperwork from my writer and bringing another bag for computer is a really rough experience, pocket reform is small enough to fit inside my purse. | 13:08 |
ryukazou | Switch to framework 12 might actually be a downgrade to me cause besides the eye fatigue problem, I’m pretty comfortable with my pocket reform work flow. | 13:11 |
josch | i'm 38 and my eyes are already getting worse XD | 13:14 |
ryukazou | Yeah, I already need supplement to keep my eye healthy. | 13:17 |
ryukazou | It’s sad that new foldable portable monitors now only comes with usb type c and no hdmi option | 13:20 |
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josch | minute: hello from B-Südkreuz! :) Just a friendly ping that you wanted to add a tag to the new reform-handbook release. If you want this version in the next Debian release, then there are only 4 more days where this is easily possible. | 15:18 |
jfred | If commercially available display glasses ever get to the point of being near-indistinguishable from normal glasses and something you could just wear around, something like the Pocket Reform paired with those could be very nice. Large virtual display when you need it, small built in display when you don't | 15:23 |
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zeha | minute: update scripts worked for me | 15:52 |
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zeha | (had to flash back my dev firmware, really have to do the settings thing one day) | 15:58 |
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minute | zeha: thanks for testing! | 20:07 |
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minute | josch: thanks for the reminder, tag pushed! | 20:08 |
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minute | now rebasing patches on 6.14... | 20:26 |
minute | nice, dw_mipi_dsi2.c is upstreamed there | 20:27 |
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zeha | nice | 21:15 |
- Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Quit: Konversation terminated!) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 21:35 | |
minute | josch / zeha: do you know if the debian quilt/patch stack stuff supports .mbx or just .patch? | 21:36 |
minute | to answer my own question, no .mbx | 21:42 |
josch | i usually send the mbox files through git first | 21:48 |
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minute | yeah turns out i had to edit those patches anyway :3 | 22:01 |
josch | also, my tests with dual display imx8mq are still looking good | 22:02 |
josch | not a single crash yet while with single-display i had around one crash per day | 22:02 |
minute | josch: huh. so perhaps DCSS is the culprit | 22:02 |
josch | i even enabled dpms on/off instead of brightness 0/100 | 22:02 |
josch | and still no crash | 22:02 |
minute | josch: does the system have nvme or no? | 22:03 |
josch | nvme | 22:03 |
josch | runs from nvme | 22:03 |
josch | i always test the same setup with firefox open and idling in the mntre.com gitlab 24 hours per day | 22:03 |
minute | because one other change in the dual display version is that we use the undocumented QoS registers to deprioritize pcie transfers iirc | 22:04 |
josch | uuuuh interesting | 22:04 |
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josch | then something else i could test is to remove the nvme and run the system from sd-card | 22:04 |
minute | 0003-lcdif-fix-pcie-interference.patch | 22:05 |
josch | i can also test a kernel with or without that patch if you think that would allow some inference of the underlying problem | 22:05 |
josch | (but testing each setup takes a long time because of how random the issue is) | 22:05 |
josch | (and i want to be sure i don't accidentally get a false positive) | 22:06 |
minute | josch: well, this patch can also be turned into a C program using devmem | 22:06 |
minute | (or a bash script) | 22:06 |
minute | i mean, enabling that pcie tweak | 22:06 |
josch | let me have a look at the patch... | 22:06 |
minute | the function imx8mq_pcie_qos_for_lcdif | 22:06 |
josch | oh i see | 22:07 |
josch | just writing the right magic numbers | 22:07 |
minute | history https://community.nxp.com/t5/i-MX-Processors/i-MX8MQ-LCDIF-FIFO-starved-by-PCIe-traffic/m-p/1649581/highlight/true | 22:07 |
josch | bookmarked | 22:07 |
minute | what if other stuff is also starved/locked up by pcie, for example... and for the dual display version this is circumvented | 22:08 |
josch | this might be interesting because i see the problem with firefox open and firefox constantly writes to my drive | 22:08 |
minute | (just an idea) | 22:08 |
minute | the other idea is that there's some kernel or hw bug related to DCSS that makes it crash | 22:08 |
josch | yes, another thing i want to test is the debian bookworm kernel 6.1 | 22:08 |
josch | to see if it's the same issue there | 22:08 |
josch | but i first want to be *really* sure that it's not happening with the dual display | 22:08 |
josch | so more idling... | 22:09 |
minute | josch: btw 0001-scripts-package-builddeb-allow-hooks-also-in-usr-sha.patch doesn't apply with 6.14, can it go away? | 22:10 |
josch | i'll rebase it | 22:11 |
josch | why is this in the rk3588-mnt-reform2 directory?? o0 | 22:12 |
minute | no idea... maybe i moved it there by accident? | 22:14 |
josch | wait what? | 22:15 |
josch | that's the wrong patch | 22:15 |
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josch | that one got applied upstream | 22:15 |
minute | i have a 6.14 branch now, i should probably push? | 22:15 |
josch | yes | 22:15 |
josch | 0001-scripts-package-builddeb-allow-hooks-also-in-usr-sha.patch can be safely deleted | 22:16 |
josch | it does not affect anything at all | 22:16 |
minute | good, thx | 22:16 |
josch | i wonder if i just accidentally did git add for that one | 22:16 |
josch | it patches scripts/package/builddeb which has zero use in the Debian context | 22:16 |
minute | huh. | 22:17 |
josch | it's now upstream commit ac2c30f98f28a6606af89ce44bff77af5d558fe8 | 22:17 |
josch | 6.14 has it if anybody would like to use my changes in scripts/package/builddeb | 22:18 |
Zaba | by the way, is it possible to connect to a hung imx8mq with a debugger to see what exactly happens there? | 22:21 |
minute | Zaba: not trivially, requires hardware modification of the som iirc | 22:21 |
minute | (moving a resistor network) | 22:21 |
josch | minute: i had a look at the reform-handbook repo. You changed the tag format from YYYY-MM-DD to YYYYMMDD -- intention or accident? | 22:22 |
minute | josch: accident... i can add another one | 22:22 |
minute | if that helps :D | 22:22 |
minute | can one rename a tag? so many questions | 22:22 |
josch | i think you can just delete the existing one and add a new one | 22:22 |
minute | btw https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/100 | 22:22 |
minute | josch: ok | 22:23 |
josch | minute: is what comes out of that ready to be tested on my a311d and imx8mq? | 22:23 |
josch | minute: still two different dts for rk3588 classic reform? Is that supposed to stay? | 22:24 |
josch | minute: you might want to cherry-pick 0f741b241552c0b08c51a9993d317d732c992872 | 22:25 |
josch | (because i uploaded sbuild with that fix to unstable recently) | 22:25 |
minute | josch: ok new tag pushed for reform-handbook | 22:26 |
josch | thank you, that worked! | 22:26 |
minute | josch: currently i don't have a solution to make a unified dts for rk3588 classic unfortunately yes... | 22:26 |
minute | josch: cherry pick 0f741b241552c0b08c51a9993d317d732c992872 from where? | 22:26 |
josch | minute: from main | 22:26 |
minute | josch: hmm i thought i had rebased on main | 22:26 |
josch | oh wait | 22:27 |
josch | but why is it failing then? | 22:27 |
minute | old pipeline, sec | 22:27 |
josch | minute: ah drop "switch from Bookworm -> Trixie" | 22:28 |
minute | ah let me see... also i forgot to change some dts stuff, will do at the same time | 22:29 |
josch | if there are two dts for rk3588 classic reform -- how does u-boot know which dts to choose? how do we generate system images for it? | 22:29 |
minute | josch: there have to be 2 different system images | 22:30 |
minute | josch: it's like 2 different machines | 22:30 |
minute | (but this is not yet prepared) | 22:30 |
minute | so far i couldn't really test because 6.14 came when i was about to test 6.13 | 22:30 |
josch | i fear this will become messy... | 22:31 |
minute | lets discuss this later, it's really only in the testing phase | 22:31 |
josch | probably nothing to discuss if it has to be done that way | 22:31 |
josch | i'll think about how to best solve it in practice | 22:31 |
minute | well, i tried to do some unified thing but it would need another hardware add-on to terminate the internal HDMI HPD signal | 22:32 |
minute | or maybe we can solder a resistor there on each module | 22:32 |
minute | so, that's what i mean with, lets discuss later ^^ | 22:33 |
josch | all not ideal indeed | 22:33 |
josch | i'll be a bit afk now but i hope i'll find a minute to check back here in a bit in case the pipeline gets stuck again on something that i committed XD | 22:33 |
minute | maybe it's possible to do hpd on that port differently by switching it to a gpio and turning on internal pulldown etc | 22:33 |
minute | josch: i will do git revert 8bcb8a05c244a343460660e78f25b1c58f5756a3 or how would you do the "drop"? | 22:34 |
josch | minute: just git rebase -i and remove the commit? | 22:34 |
minute | josch: ok, i'll try that, don't have practice with that | 22:34 |
josch | you can also just git revert :) | 22:34 |
minute | ok :D | 22:34 |
minute | ohh, job succeeded https://source.mnt.re/mntmn/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/9510 | 23:28 |
+ Gooberpatrol66 (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 23:35 |
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