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| minute | typing this from my mnt reform next ^^ | 01:04 |
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| josch | _o/ | 01:08 |
| josch | minute: while you are here, could you add a new tag to https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/tags then i can package it and upload it to unstable | 01:13 |
| minute | josch: aw, i don't have my keys on this computer... | 01:13 |
| josch | no stress, i'm heading off to bed now anyways :D | 01:14 |
| minute | josch: ok, will do it as soon as i have access again :D good night! | 01:14 |
| josch | gn8 | 01:14 |
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| - plomtest (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~plomtest@user/plomtest) | 07:00 | |
| josch | yup, imx8mq got stuck over night again | 07:14 |
| josch | keyboard still on but nothing on dmesg (was connected to serial) and dead on the network | 07:15 |
| josch | this reminds me of the effect I saw years ago when I still had my own imx8mq reform | 07:27 |
| josch | but back then the problem was seemingly fixed by avoiding dmps off in swayidle | 07:27 |
| josch | and right now I'm using: exec swayidle -w timeout 300 'brightnessctl set 0%' resume 'brightnessctl set 100%' timeout 600 'swaylock -f -c 000000' | 07:27 |
| josch | now disabling swayidle completely... lets see if this makes things different | 07:34 |
| + plomtest (~plomtest@user/plomtest) | 07:59 | |
| - xktr (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~xktr@user/xktr) | 08:05 | |
| BoostisBetter | very interested in your results. The system just being unresponsive after a night of timing out and swayidle active happened to me all the time on the Reform. | 09:36 |
| josch | BoostisBetter: on the classic Reform or Pocket Reform? | 09:38 |
| BoostisBetter | both | 09:38 |
| BoostisBetter | but on the pocket since the keyboard has been wonky,and the hub not responsive I don't think we can see it as the same issues. | 09:39 |
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| + plomtest (~plomtest@user/plomtest) | 09:40 | |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-114.bbcust.telenor.se) | 10:02 | |
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| josch | wakest: I just saw that you added the MNT Research office to openstreetmap -- nice!! :D | 12:35 |
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| + paperManu (~paperManu@172.93.30.55) | 13:40 | |
| josch | minute: I managed to trigger the imx8mq hang-up with the graphical artifacts again: https://mister-muffin.de/p/cmfT.jpg | 14:37 |
| josch | the machine was just idling in firefox for a few hours | 14:37 |
| minute | josch: hmm, but firefox again like last time... | 14:38 |
| josch | yes | 14:38 |
| josch | i tried to reproduce it and it was firefox last time | 14:38 |
| josch | this time, i had it connected to wifi as well as to serial | 14:38 |
| josch | and i had dmesg -wT running over serial but no output | 14:38 |
| josch | the machine is dead on both serial and ssh | 14:38 |
| minute | josch: hmm :/ to find out if its gpu, you could try running ff with LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 | 14:40 |
| josch | and if it then does not crash then it might be gpu? | 14:40 |
| minute | josch: to find out if it's dcss vs lcdif, you could run with the dual screen dtb | 14:41 |
| minute | josch: yes | 14:41 |
| josch | debugging this will take a while because the problem is so rare | 14:41 |
| minute | josch: (i don't know which dtb you're using atm) | 14:41 |
| josch | single | 14:41 |
| minute | josch: yeah, i can't look into it myself so only if you're interested in finding a cause | 14:41 |
| josch | well, that's precisely why BoostisBetter borrowed me his machine, so that's what i'll do :) | 14:42 |
| minute | could be anything incl hw issue with the module | 14:42 |
| josch | at least i'm not stuck to it via serial anymore if there is no output on dmesg :/ | 14:43 |
| BoostisBetter | josch: you're awesome! | 14:44 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: you are too! | 14:45 |
| josch | BoostisBetter: your machine has been really useful indeed. First to track down the suspend regression, then to find the gtk gl renderer regression, then to test all the new changes in reform-debian-packages... | 14:45 |
| - LainIwakura (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura) | 14:55 | |
| + LainIwakura (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura) | 15:02 | |
| josch | hrm... I might have (at least temporarily) fixed my hinge problem: https://mister-muffin.de/p/MXfU.jpg | 15:59 |
| josch | i drilled into the welding spots with a 2 mm metal drill, slightly widening them | 16:00 |
| josch | and now M2 screws are able to hold both parts together | 16:01 |
| minute | josch: DIY to the max :D | 16:10 |
| josch | well... the "to the max" part is the fact that for some reason I do not have any M2 nuts here... but I *did* have these: https://minischrauben.com/gewindeeinsatz-zum-einpresssen-m-2-x-4-2mm-messing-10-stueck-071-m2-10 | 16:20 |
| josch | but they are slightly too long for the room in the bottom case, so I had to shorten two of them XD | 16:21 |
| josch | https://mister-muffin.de/p/wfVc.jpg | 16:22 |
| minute | oh wow ok :D | 16:26 |
| josch | ooookay, the tft screen is held in place by the frame itself and has no additional screws to hold in in place -- TIL XD | 16:40 |
| josch | these two washers at the bottom center are also interesting | 16:41 |
| josch | yay my reform is fixed again \o/ | 16:58 |
| josch | in the meantime the imx8mq reform is hung displaying firefox again -- that was quick. Lets try LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 next | 16:58 |
| josch | i'm now also running 6.12 from backports with a311d dts patched instead of copied for more testing before merging it. I also have that kernel installed on my MM Board Reform (where i have kodi running) and hdmi and audio etc work just as they usually do. :) | 17:01 |
| minute | josch: yeah the washers are a fix for that edition of the screen case where the two platforms are a bit to short, so you could overscrew and bend the part | 17:14 |
| minute | josch: nice @ a311d | 17:14 |
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| - LainIwakura41 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura) | 17:22 | |
| josch | hrm... now that my hinge works again this gets me thinking... it was probably not the smartest idea to carry around my reform by holding it on its display only as often as I did XD | 17:36 |
| minute | eeep :D | 17:46 |
| josch | instead of taking responsibility for my own actions I can just blame whoever designed this thing to look and feel as sturdy as it does and figuratively *made me* not take care when handling it ;) | 18:11 |
| josch | my take-away message: have all the replacement parts at home in advance! | 18:12 |
| josch | "in the old days" me and my partner both had thinkpads and then we had a third older thinkpad (all T-series) that we used for parts when something in our machines broke | 18:12 |
| josch | we're about to get there with MNT products | 18:12 |
| josch | unfortunately the Reform Next wasn't ready 2 years ago when my partner needed a new laptop but it's likely to become its successor :) | 18:13 |
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| BoostisBetter | Yeah the Next is really a nice improvement on the Reform Classic. I think the design of the Classis will live on forever because it is excellent, but the Next is bringing it to a more modern era with plenty of respect to the old school still made. | 18:48 |
| + gordon1 (~gordon1@citadel.niflheim.info) | 18:49 | |
| josch | Some of the best moments I have with this device are the moments when I can show it off to others by "turning it upside down" and then the other person goes "woooaaah". It's certainly a very special audience who enjoys showing off the best laptop on the planet this way. Some people just want the "normal" experience, so they settle for the second best. ;) | 18:55 |
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| + L29Ah (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) | 19:29 | |
| chorc | I | 19:29 |
| chorc | I'm still considering ordering a classic, although Pocket feels like a dream machine for my use case | 19:30 |
| chorc | Maybe I'll settle on Reform Desktop for a backup machine | 19:30 |
| grimmware | I'm kind of waiting on a desktop equivalent that uses the pocket mainboard so I can put my imx8mp in it and then I know I have a sacrificial backup should I need it | 19:48 |
| grimmware | josch: fwiw I pick my pocket up by the lid all the time | 19:49 |
| grimmware | I was actually thinking about 3d printing a handle for it heh | 19:49 |
| zeha | i guess the pocket has a different weight distribution :) | 19:52 |
| chorc | hm, a handle is an interesting challenge; I've so far added some bumpons to the bottom to make it easier to pickup | 19:56 |
| josch | grimmware: what would speak against putting your imx8mp into the desktop reform instead of a desktop equivalent with the pocket mobo? | 19:57 |
| grimmware | josch: so that if my main pocket mobo breaks I can pillage the spare | 20:35 |
| grimmware | same thing as you really, I'd like to have enough dupe parts locally that if I'm down I'm not down for very long | 20:36 |
| josch | hm... we certainly need the pocket mainboard by itself buyable in the store and then somebody could easily create a 3d printed case for it or something :) | 20:38 |
| + LainIwakura (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura) | 21:15 | |
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| + jacobk (~quassel@47-186-65-73.dlls.tx.frontiernet.net) | 21:29 | |
| BoostisBetter | The only thing I think would be awesome if if the pocket connections were a seperate board similar to how the next is going to work. It is just that the charging port is getting used so much and it is going to wear out before anything else. That would be a good way to mitigate that issue. | 21:39 |
| - wickedshell (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~wickedshe@2601:8c0:800:a1c1:d691:fc37:80e2:dc46) | 21:47 | |
| L29Ah | BoostisBetter: you can use a $5 magnetic usb c kludge so it wears out instead of the port | 21:48 |
| BoostisBetter | good point. I have a bunch of those. I just need the new kb and my pocket will be good to go again. | 21:53 |
| - gustav28 (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~gustav@c-78-82-52-114.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:15 | |
| grimmware | josch: yeah I could totally do that :) | 22:38 |
| Zaba | I would be extremely careful with those magnetic usb c adapters | 22:44 |
| + gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-52-114.bbcust.telenor.se) | 22:45 | |
| L29Ah | i wonder how many of the usb c pins can survive 20V | 22:47 |
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